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I tried a search and didn't come up with any previous threads. So I am inquiring about DTS Herps. They always seem to have a lot of ads in the kingsnake classifieds. I am possibly interested in some house snakes and amphibians they have for sale. Thanks for any replies.
 
Had a really negative experience with him where he tried to intimidate my fiance into buying from him. He had some pink tongue skinks for sale at a price that was grossly inflated compared to the price they were going for last year, my fiance questioned him about it and he told her he actually was asking too little and that if she didn't want to buy from him he was about to raise the price. He then followed through with it and relisted his ad at a price $25 higher. When that ad expired and we had moved on, he relisted at the lower price, for what it's worth.
Reminded me of the stereotypical mechanic talking down to a woman, assuming she didn't know what she was talking about.
 
Had a really negative experience with him where he tried to intimidate my fiance into buying from him. He had some pink tongue skinks for sale at a price that was grossly inflated compared to the price they were going for last year, my fiance questioned him about it and he told her he actually was asking too little and that if she didn't want to buy from him he was about to raise the price. He then followed through with it and relisted his ad at a price $25 higher. When that ad expired and we had moved on, he relisted at the lower price, for what it's worth.
Reminded me of the stereotypical mechanic talking down to a woman, assuming she didn't know what she was talking about.


Firstly, I would like to offer an apology if your fiance felt intimidated or anything for that matter, but she never expressed any anxiety or anything for that matter in which you attempt to mis-describe.

No offense, but we (you and I) have never spoken nor corresponded so I don't know who you are nor your motivation behind making such false statements and providing many lies and much misinformation.

At best, your information is based on misleading hearsay because I would not succumb to lower the prices on skinks I just imported and advertised for the first day.

I recall being very respectful and had a very professional conversation via email with a nice lady that inquired to present an offer for a group of skinks. I posted them for sale at a price which was actually below what one of my wholesalers are asking for them, so you mislead with an inflated price statement.

I believe she made a group offer which was less then my overall costs, and I indicated to her that she might wish to take them at the price I had them advertised for as I perhaps needed to raise the price a bit, but never presented any pressure in any fashion as you attempt to describe in your false statements above. And I did have to raise the prices and held to my word despite our conversations, so what is wrong with that? I think she said she found some elsewhere at a better price and I wished her thanks for her offer and that was all and we had a very pleasant and professional conversation and she was quite well attuned about the skinks etc and I respected her for that and her bidding skills. I think we had such a good conversation that I actually let her know to keep in contact with me in a few weeks as I was getting more and could perhaps offer her a better deal.

And most recently, I did import many more and did indeed lower my prices and am able to work a better price so please let her know to contact me if interested. They are $175.00 each or $150 for a group of 3 or more. But I cannot do better than that at this time.

If you read the emails, you will clearly see where she suggests several times to take her business elsewhere on another offer if I do not bend on the prices. And you will read where I nicely write to go ahead and accept offers elsewhere as I am sorta stuck at the price I am advertising them at.

And an apology is in order from you for making false statements and attempting to discredit my transactions and personal conversations with someone besides yourself.

I request you retract your words or provide the exact emails which will clearly discredit your statements.

Perhaps your post/frustration is based on the fact that she bought them from someone else for $200 each and I am presently selling them at $150 each now? I don't know and it does not matter, but I would still appreciate your apology.

Thanks.

Dan
 
I have bought animals from Dan and also done trades with him. I have had nothing but great service and gotten high quality reptiles from him. I have not dealt with anyone as respectful as Dan and plan on purchasing a lot more animals from him. If there is anything I am interested in buying he is the first person I ask. My only regret is not having more money to buy more animals from him because I know I will get the best that money can buy. His prices have always been great for the quality of animals I have recieved. Delta airlines does not come to my area since I live in such a rural area and Dan has even gone the extra mile to send out venomous snakes through another carrier in order to get them to me.
Lary Vongsavanh
 
Dan I didn't provide any actual prices in my post because I was trying not to step on the toes of other people who deal with you via your supplier. The fact is that you were asking 3-4x what your supplier sells for. And the price my fiance and I bought our skinks for was much more inline with that price than what you had them for sale at.

You did not suggest that you would be able to offer her a better deal down the road, what you told her was that you get them in and sell them all the time and could afford to wait for other buyers.

For what it's worth Dan, she was writing to you partially on my behalf because I was deployed with somewhat restricted internet access. She would speak to me and update me on the situation and ask my opinion if she should continue trying to pursue a transaction with you.


Perhaps your post/frustration is based on the fact that she bought them from someone else for $200 each and I am presently selling them at $150 each now? I don't know and it does not matter, but I would still appreciate your apology.
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At the same time, I had been contacted directly by someone else with pink tongue skinks, and I did get a price much more inline with the fair market value for these amazing animals.

Why would you think we bought them for $200? You don't control the market, despite what you think. Being deceitful about the fair market value of these animals won't keep your customers buying through you when your supplier sells to the public.


I think you should also edit your post to remove your advertisement from it.
 
I would like to clarify that Dan sent the venomous snakes through a carrier that would ship venomous snakes. He did not in any way find an underhanded way to get them to me but did it by the book and notifying the shipper what would be in the boxes. The snakes arrived plainly marked as venomous reptiles and were fully secured in wooden boxes. I might add that he does not charge a box fee which I would have gladly paid for the quality of boxes I recieved. Hats off to you Dan. I even got a second job in order to send more business your way.
 
FubbyFifi said:
Delta airlines does not come to my area since I live in such a rural area and Dan has even gone the extra mile to send out venomous snakes through another carrier in order to get them to me.
Lary Vongsavanh
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What other carrier might that be, Lary?
 
Northwest Airlines will ship venomous reptiles and you don't even have to get certified in order to do so. I have also asked Dan to get me snakes which after he had gotten I did not have to money to guy after he had gotten them. I still feel bad about this but Dan has not come after me in any way to buy the snakes I asked him to get for me. He just ended up posting them for sale and has continued to be very cordial and professional to me. He even shares pictures of his snakes that have laid eggs for him just because he knows I enjoy them and not to rub it in at all.
 
I had occasion to buy some Hyla squirela frogs from Dan back in June. He was very good at answering my emails, packed well and shipped promptly. Everything was smooth, very healthy lil guys. Dan even sent overcount. I would have no problem dealing with him again.
 
Below are the emails to your fiance.

I do not read where I am intimidating her or putting any pressure on the deal nor speaking down to her. If you read them correctly, you will see I am quite pleased that she will be happy with her order from someone else and this is despite I offered them for about $200 each and your finance Christina said the only others she found earlier were advertised for $350 each. Further I explain nicely that I only had 4 and could not afford to lower them at the time.

So what's your claim to my over-pricing when mine were priced around $150 below what was being advertised at the time?

Question for you now? Did you read these emails before contemplating to make a post and express a negative deal with me? I never spoke down to your fiance and you owe me an apology.

If you want, give me a call in the morning. I have about 30 of them and will go $125 each for a 10 lot.


"Christina: Yea, if you can snatch them up at cheaper rate then I would recommend to get them while you can. A different wholesaler who is one of my main suppliers has them on his wholesale list for $250. I asked him a week ago if he could provide a further discount on a dozen or more and he said he cannot go any lower than $250 (even at wholesale prices) because he was moving them fast at that wholesale price. He has only a few left so has been successful moving them. I believe I know who you might be buying them from and they came from my import from Germany a few days ago. I saw them all of course and delivered them myself and they are in great shape so am quite confident you will be happy with your order. I do get them every other month and sometimes some are not as plump as they could be, but this last shipment was great and these are all healthy and sturdy animals. Thanks.

Dan


"Christina: I did import many additional skinks and I delivered them to other dealers and they may be eager to sell them lower because they received many more at a larger discount however I only kept four of the dozens I imported for the resale market. Perhaps in a month or two or later I might import more and can offer them at a lesser rate but I have a long list of dealers who are after me for them and it is quick and easy to work a trade/credit with them and the larger groups usually never hit the retail market. I just actually upped them to 275 each or 1100 for all 4 shipped and if they do not sell for a few weeks at that price I will lower them because I have hundreds of reptiles for sale and can wait it out so to speak."

Dan
 
I'm not going to buy from you, Dan. That's two posts advertising your overpriced skinks.

Spellbrink sold 10 lots for under $70 shipped last year.


You just posted the email yourself. When she asked you to go lower you raised your price on her and told her you could wait it out. What kind of business do you run where you haggle by raising your prices?
 
I disagree. They are not overpriced. I spent quite a bit of time and completed much research and consultation into what to price them for on the retail market. And from the information I gathered by several professionals in the industry, $250 was a fair market price to start. They had not been around for over a year and others were offering them for $100 more which I felt was overpriced and not marketable/moveable. Actually others had been and are presently offering them for over what I am offering them now, so what is your major problem with my pricing? Did your fiance complain to you and you reacted without doing homework? Seems that way. Did you read the emails before you reacted? NOPE

And as to your other comments, what an overseas wholesaler might sell to a dealer a year ago does not have much relevance in this situation as perhaps your comments lack all the facts and information about that particular transaction. Perhaps that price took into condition other events/deals to be had etc. Who knows but it is not relevant. Rambling about a deal between a breeder/wholesaler from last year only distracts from the topic - which is your apology. Regardless, I paid twice that for each for the initial 4, so your information is not relevant to the discussion. And as you can see from the emails, the wholesale price on them is $250.00.

So you've read the polite and professional emails to your fiance which clearly contradict every sentence you wrote in an ill attempt to defame my corporation. Your initial post contains many lies, misinformation and many false statements. I really don't know how it is some wacko can go on here and make such false statments and they remain. But perhaps it is good so when you get some skinks to sell then folks can read what you are about and your alternative motives.

Are you going to continue to change the subject of offer an apology?
 
Did your fiance complain to you and you reacted without doing homework? Seems that way. Did you read the emails before you reacted? NOPE
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No, I did not, and yes, he did.

I like how you conveniently left out MOST of the e-mails you sent me....

Here are the e-mails between Dan and I in their ENTIRETY (very slightly edited to remove a couple names to avoid upsetting anyone else)...please note that they are in reverse order from newest to oldest. There were 5 more e-mails preceding these from dan to me (and several from me to him.

Christina: Yea, if you can snatch them up at cheaper rate then I would recommend to get them while you can. A different wholesaler who is one of my main suppliers has them on his wholesale list for $250. I asked him a week ago if he could provide a further discount on a dozen or more and he said he cannot go any lower than $250 (even at wholesale prices) because he was moving them fast at that wholesale price. He has only a few left so has been successful moving them. I believe I know who you might be buying them from and they came from my import from Germany a few days ago. I saw them all of course and delivered them myself and they are in great shape so am quite confident you will be happy with your order. I do get them every other month and sometimes some are not as plump as they could be, but this last shipment was great and these are all healthy and sturdy animals. Thanks.

Dan

In a message dated 9/7/2007 9:20:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Well I guess I’m passing then.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:D[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: Pink Tongue Skinks: $250 each



Christina: I did import many additional skinks and I delivered them to other dealers and they may be eager to sell them lower because they received many more at a larger discount however I only kept four of the dozens I imported for the resale market. Perhaps in a month or two or later I might import more and can offer them at a lesser rate but I have a long list of dealers who are after me for them and it is quick and easy to work a trade/credit with them and the larger groups usually never hit the retail market. I just actually upped them to 275 each or 1100 for all 4 shipped and if they do not sell for a few weeks at that price I will lower them because I have hundreds of reptiles for sale and can wait it out so to speak.



Dan



In a message dated 9/7/2007 8:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

I do not trust the person selling them for $340…but she has 4 and even so, there are a LOT of people who don’t know who not to trust, and if the prices were fair she’d have sold at least one of them by now. There is also an adult male listed at $350 that has been up for quite some time without being sold. From what I’ve seen and heard the normal price for these guys is well under $200…. I do know that your prices are not the lowest currently available and I know of a lower priced source with some currently available that I know is reliable/respectable….so I’m afraid I’m going to have to pass unless you can lower the prices some.



Thanks again,

Christina



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:D[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: Pink Tongue Skinks: $250 each



Christina: That person advertising them for $340 is a scammer/joker selling from other people's wholesale lists. I would strongly recommend avoiding people who do that or try to do that. That ------- name sounds familiar but I do not recall selling him any and he may have gotten some from my supplier and shipped through me a year ago but again, I don't ever recall selling him any myself. And as is the case at the moment, I was informed my offer on them for $950 for the 4 was very cheap to startle other dealers to ask me to raise the prices so I do plan to up that a bit perhaps tomorrow or when the advertisement expires as I hid it.



Dan



In a message dated 9/7/2007 6:54:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Really?...I know that there are some listed on Kingsnake right now for $340-50 and they have been there for at least a week and have none have sold... I was referred to you by ----------- who said he got them for $68 each in 10 lots from you. $250 just seems like an awefully large jump from those prices…especially when you claim that these prices are so low. Is there any way you could go any lower for all 4?...I’d really appreciate it if you could let me know!



Thanks again,

Christina





-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:D[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: Pink Tongue Skinks: $250 each



Christina:



OK, well I actually had to hide the advertisement (an advertisement option) because a few of my competitors/friends telephoned and emailed and barked that I advertised them too cheaply at wholesale prices and they seemed angry with me.



I did not know they were selling for much more money and only priced them that low to gain some quick monies to pay my exporter in a timely manner.



In any case, the price still stands as we discussed but if you do not take them, I perhaps might repost the advertisement and up the price to 300 each and leave it at that until they sell.



Dan



And as you can see from the emails, the wholesale price on them is $250.00.
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Where in these e-mails did you claim that YOU got them for $250?? Where is the evidence that the "current" wholesale price was $250?....seems to me that you flat out told me that you sold larger lots to others for less and could "hold out" on selling those 4 for more. You DID try to intimidate me...you didn't intimidate me, but you tried to. Telling me you had people angry at you for selling at "such a low price," threatening to raise the price and then doing so, telling me the other sellers are scammers.....sounds like intimidation attempts to me.
 
Honestly, this thread is starting to challenge for "dumbest BOI thread of the week".

You wanted to go low, he wanted to go high you guys couldn't agree on a price. Move on and get over it. No one was ripped off, no dead animals sent, no money stolen. Why are you posting this on the BOI?
 
I have dealt with Dan on several occasions and have been satisfied each time. He is always free with his advice and very knowledgeable on the strange and unusual.
 
Christina, i wouldn't really class that as intimidation. How can Dans rising prices affect you if you don't purchase anything? Dan also probably helped by pointing out that the person selling the skinks for $350 might not have been honest. So, the way i see it is that Dan actually saved you money. Intimidation? I didn't see any. :shrug01:
 
Gecko_Den said:
Honestly, this thread is starting to challenge for "dumbest BOI thread of the week".

You wanted to go low, he wanted to go high you guys couldn't agree on a price. Move on and get over it. No one was ripped off, no dead animals sent, no money stolen. Why are you posting this on the BOI?
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, Sam. Does money have to be exchanged before you can form an opinion of someone's character or ethics?

Let's use a different scenario-

If you're like me, you check out local petstores and try to give them business when possible.

So today, I'm walking into a petstore I've never been to before. I see a cage full of animals that I've wanted for a while but put off buying from other sources, I know the general market, I know the wholesaler that provided these animals to the petstore, I know what price the wholesaler sells to the public at, and I know what breeders generally ask for them. I am an educated consumer.

So I go up to the store owner and say, "I noticed you have some skinks for sale over there, they're a little more expensive than I'm used to seeing them but I'd like to do business with you. Can you do anything on the price if I buy all of them?"

Now what would you do in my situation if the owner replied to you that the only other people selling them are scammers and that if you want to buy from his petstore well guess what- the price just went up? Would you be offended? Would you ever do business with this store?

And if someone asked you what you thought of this petstore, would you have replied, "sorry, I've never done bought anything from them so I can't comment."


I didn't come here and make a new BOI thread simply because I found Dan's behavior towards my fiance to be offensive. That would have been entirely unnecessary.
I replied to a BOI post asking about Dan.
I did exactly what I would have done in the local petstore scenario.
 
E2MacPets said:

Now what would you do in my situation if the owner replied to you that the only other people selling them are scammers and that if you want to buy from his petstore well guess what- the price just went up? Would you be offended? Would you ever do business with this store?
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Steve, I really can’t see it. This is the email.

In any case, the price still stands as we discussed but if you do not take them, I perhaps might repost the advertisement and up the price to 300 each and leave it at that until they sell.
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He clearly stated if you did not take them he was raising his prices but would honor what he already posted.

Christina: Yea, if you can snatch them up at cheaper rate then I would recommend to get them while you can. A different wholesaler who is one of my main suppliers has them on his wholesale list for $250. I asked him a week ago if he could provide a further discount on a dozen or more and he said he cannot go any lower than $250 (even at wholesale prices) because he was moving them fast at that wholesale price. He has only a few left so has been successful moving them. I believe I know who you might be buying them from and they came from my import from Germany a few days ago. I saw them all of course and delivered them myself and they are in great shape so am quite confident you will be happy with your order. I do get them every other month and sometimes some are not as plump as they could be, but this last shipment was great and these are all healthy and sturdy animals. Thanks.

Dan
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He suggests picking them up at the cheaper rate if you can. He stated that the one person selling them for $350 was suspect not all.
Note: If it is the same person that has them listed still today at $350 there are a couple threads on here to read.

As someone who has traded negative comments back and forth with Dan in past threads and have criticized him in the past, I can’t find anything intimidating about his emails. Steve, with all respect, I just can't see it.
 
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