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Inquiry on Golden Serpents...aka Jewell Howard

Sean Belanger

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Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Jewell Howard of Golden Serpents. She posted this ad on Kingsnake.com classifieds on December 11, 2002:

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=6&de=38690

Then I see Neil Gubitz post this ad on December 12, 2002:

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=6&de=39081

So Neil is selling the SAME snakes for $549 shipped while Jewell is selling them for $429 shipped. I am a bit confused since Jewell is selling the SAME snakes for $120 less. And the snakes supposedly belonged to a "J. MENDENHALL". A bit weird that the SAME snakes are being offered by two different sellers at different prices.
 
Sean.... It's not a difficult explanation??? Why don't you try just emailing me or Jewell and asking about it instead of putting it up here.... I guess you REALLY want to get on my GOOD SIDE, huh??? I'm NOT pleased!

Jewell Howard is my store's manager (The Snake Pit).... she got the snakes from Jim Mendenhaul to sell for him, seeing he's ill.... Jewell usually sells to her WHOLESALE customers through her OWN company called, Golden Serpent.... the $429 shipped is her WHOLESALE PRICE.... she must have forgotten to change it.... YES! There are times when we DO sell the same animals at the same time, but, NOT the same prices, she's wholesale (Golden Serpent), and I'm retail (The Snake Pit)....

Sean.... next time.... ASK ME FIRST! ok???

....Neil
 
Did I miss something?

Sean
You asked me why he was asking more and did I not answer you and say that he asked a higher price due to having a higher overhead and being retail.
Also who sets the rules on what you are allowed to charge? Is this Russia? Last time I checked it was a free Country based on a CAPITALIST society(which means that we are a society that survives on the selling of merchandise). If you dont like the price dont buy the animal...also if he lists an animal that I am trying to sell for a friend so that maybe it can be sold faster...is that yours or anyone elses business?
as long as the animal is healthy and as advertised...WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM???
Jewell
 
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL AD

By the way for anyone that wants to see the original I am copying it here for everyone to see, since I sold one already I had to change some things in the ad. Like the quantities and all.


I HAVE A BREEDING GROUP OF PURE GOINI KINGS FOR SALE. THESE SNAKES ARE IN MY POSSESSION AND THEY ARE BEING SOLD FOR J. MENDENHALL(MUST SELL DUE TO ILLNESS) THESE ARE NOT HYBRID SNAKES. THEY HAVE BRED AT LEAST TWICE BEFORE AND THROW SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL BABIES.
GET THEM IN TIME TO BREED THEM THIS SPRING.
I WILL SELL THEM FOR ONLY 429.00 SHIPPING AND HANDLING INCLUDED. NO TRADES AT THIS TIME. I DO ACCEPT PAYPAL CREDIT CARDS AND POSTAL MONEY ORDERS IF THEY ARE SENT EXPRESS MAIL AND THE TRACKING NUMBER IS IMMEDIATELY SENT TO MY EMAIL FOR CONFIRMATION.
THERE ARE MORE PICTURES AVAILABLE BY EMAIL


You ALL will notice that I SAID THEY ARE BEING SOLD FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!
No cloak and dagger here.
 
Sean,
Good catch, We can't be too careful now a days & who wants to pay an extra $120 for someone else to broker the same snakes. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Jewell. Being that I have never done business with you before and after doing a search here on the BOI, I just wanted to know what other people's experiences have been with you. And I felt it was reasonable that I explain why I was inquiring. Two ads for the same snakes. Two different prices. Two sellers. Think about this.

And Neil, I did email both you and Jewell first. It still doesn't tell me what other people's experiences with Jewell have been.
 
Chris
Tell me you have NEVER sold an animal for anyone else...
I have a friend that is ill and asked me to sell them for him
for example the goini king group. He wants me to pay him 375 for the group (if I sell one I have to pay for all three) I was only selling them for enough to pay shipping and handling and him for the animals.

Wanted to list the animals(an opportunity to make money in his retail establishment/ this is not a new concept) and has to pay me 400.00 for the snakes. So he (LIKE ALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS) marked them up enough to sell them for a profit which would be about 50.00 after shipping /feeding/ paying me/ cost of advertising.
So where is the foul here tell me cause I dont see it.
Another thing is Sean YOU HAVE KNOW FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS NOW THAT MY COMPANY MANAGES THE SNAKE PIT, you act like it is a big surprise. So I suppose that sometime we might advertise the same animals. Let me tell you why....Most people wont buy from someone they dont know, Alot of people dont know me so Neil(whom is well known) advertises SOME of the same animals that I do in order for me to get them sold(I am in business to sell them) so that he can make some money and I can as well.
IF business were not meant to make a profit they would call them a charity.
This is my opinion.
 
Ok then...
I have bought directly from Jewel and everything went very smoothly. We got two aussie water dragons that are doing very well for us and cute as can be.
The transaction was quick and easy. I think the animals were shipped within 24 hrs of our first contact. Packing was very professional--there were 3 heat packs! Communication was smooth and courteous.
Hope that helps : )
Dana
btw, I've also done business with Neil at the Snake Pit, and thumbs up there as well.
 
Sean.... just for the record, you KNOW Jewell is associated with The Snake Pit?? Do you really think I would let someone manage my store that wasn't as PROFESSIONAL as I am?? She (as I) have NEVER had a bad guy report on them, as far as animals and shipping goes....

....Neil
 
Thanks for the info Neil.

And since the ad posted by Neil on Kingsnake.com is no longer there, I'll post it here in case anyone wants to read it.

Posted by Neil Gubitz - The Snake Pit (Contact Me!) on December 12, 2002 at 13:00:45
Click on thumbnails to view fullsize in a new window

These kids are just stunning! They Male is about 5 feet long, the Females are about 3-4' and CAPTIVE BORN AND BRED! You will NOT find these any more (not this size, you won't!)! ESPECIALLY CBB!!
The Male has a FULL BLACK STRIPE all the way down his spine.... one of the Females has a very reduced pattern (almost hypo), the other Female is VERY GIRTHY! They are ALL PROVEN BREEDERS that throw BEAUTIFUL babies! Don't wait too long, they won't be here forever!
I WILL NOT SPLIT THEM!

They are being sold for....

ONLY $549 SHIPPED!....

I ship UPS Next Day Air!

Delta Dash is also available!

PAYPAL and POSTAL MO's (sent Next Day Air) are the ONLY forms of payment I accept!

It protects us BOTH!

E-mail me ANY questions!

Thanks for your time! ....Neil

Click on the link below for my ENTIRE PICTURED-PRICELIST!.... Enjoy!!
http://members.tripod.com/~JYNXI/inventory3.html
 
Sean.... so what the hell is your problem??
What have WE ever done to you.... other than try to help you at every step of the way! You've asked me numerous questions, and I've answered every single one of them, including giving you our supplier's number so you could ask HIM questions?? This WILL BE THE LAST TIME I will ever try to help you!

And what's wrong with the ad??

You want to act like a child? I'll treat you like one!

....Neil
 
Neil. I have no problem. But I am getting a strong feeling you do. Nothing is wrong with your ad. I simply posted links to it as it relates to my inquiry. But since both Jewell's and your original ads have been removed, and Jewell went ahead and posted hers, I felt yours should be posted as well.
 
Sean.... you started this, and I don't like it at all! You're insinuating, by your first post, that there is "something shady" going on, and you want to get to the bottom of it! You got a problem? EMAIL ME! EMAIL JEWELL! BE A MAN AND GET IN MY FACE, if that's what you want? But, you should have had no reason to post this here! After all the help Jewell and myself have tried to give you, and THIS is how we get repaid??.... I don't like MY NAME, OR JEWELL'S being muddied FOR NO REASON!
So you know.... Jewell SOLD one of the Females today, so her ad for the trio is of no use, now is it! Nor mine.... is it! But we will BOTH repost the SAME PAIR OF SNAKES again! I hope you don't mind?
We all have rights in this world, you have the right to say and do whatever you want, I have the right to refuse business AND HELP to whomever I want.... remember this the next time you need something!
Justify your actions here all you want, but, you can't UNRING a bell! This was totally uncalled for!

....Neil
 
:eek:
what do we know? neil is a good guy..jewell is a good gal and prices do fluctuate depending on whom you buy from and how..
all done now..no biggie and end of thread right?
alls well that ends well.

;)
hey what do you want..its friday the 13th.
 
Jewel,
Since you asked No I have never sold a snake for someone else. If I don't own the snake, I wouldn't put my reputation on the line for someone else. When more then one seller is involved who takes responsibility if you sell an animal for someone else & something bad happens like DOA, it's arrives sick or if it dies a day or two later. Who is the responsible party in that situation & if it wasn't discussed with the buyer before hand it can be passed back & forth between the actual owner & the party that made the sales transaction & where is the buyer left? What was your policy with the one that was sold & was any of that discussed? You took my post personal which it wasn't & you shouldn't feel any need to defend or explain yourself. I posted a thanks to Sean because he brought the heads up he brought up the price difference for the same snakes. Isn't the purpose of this board to give helpful information (good or bad) about buyers & sellers & warn about anything that doesn't sound right like two different ads with same snakes for different prices? Well, that's just what Sean was doing.Your right it's everyone's given right to sell at any price but that doesn't give anyone the right to jump on Sean about this. Just recently someone on the classified here did the same thing about two ads from two different people with same animals & everyone was happy about the heads upbecause they could of gotten taken, why should this same situation be different? because it's you & Neil? This whole situation could have probably been avoided had some better planning between the posting parties taken place & not posting your ads so close to each other in time & at same place.
 
Chris.... your statement...

....why should this same situation be different? because it's you & Neil?....

With ALL modesty aside.... YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT!....

There is NOTHING that either Jewell or I would do that was illegal or underhanded.... and, your scenario about what would happen if the snake died in transit?? That's REAL EASY!! I SENT IT OUT, IF IT DIES, IT'S *MY* RESPONSIBILITY!! I would pay the owner for it in FULL!.... I took control of the animal, I am responsible for the safety of that animal.... if you can't see that, what does that say about YOUR ethics???

If someone doesn't have the guts to come straight to the person they are having a problem with, or question about, FIRST.... what do you THINK the reaction is going to be.... ESPECIALLY FROM ME??? I take this VERY PERSONALLY!

....Neil
 
My policies on animals

Chris
First off my policies on animals are three days to live,with very few exceptions.
1. they killed it by injury or not picking the animal up when notified.
2. I dont guarantee chameleons except for live arrival and amphibians are the same.
3. I definately know the people I sell for and trust them as I mostly broker for a living, I check the animals personally before shipping and selling them so it was just like I purchased them to sell.
You probably breed all one species you sell and do this for a hobby. I on the other hand do this for a living and yes when someone insinuates that I am doing something illegal or underhanded I do get offended wouldnt you?
We do post in our ads most of the time that we are selling for someone else like in mine I said that the snakes belonged to J mendenhall. Nothing sneaky there.
Neil and I do not always sell the same animals online and when we list the same ones they are usually mine or in my care

If I sell it I am responsible...IF Neil sells it he is resposible, period.
I dont think I am above the law and I am also not breaking it
I have my own licenses and have been in the reptile business since 1988 when I worked for Tom Crutchfield in Ft Myers
and in 1990 started my own business and have done it on my own since then and have made an HONEST living at it.
Neil has had the PIT for 5 years and conducts his business in a
very professional manner...although his mouth outruns him on occassion...had to get that in there.
Any way There are no complaints on me and on the RARE occasion I do have a doa(following verification and return of the body)they get fair compensation (depending on the situation usually another animal or a credit or in some cases a refund.)
Jewell
 
Jewel,
Is the Crutchfield you worked for the one who keeps sending me those Audio Catologs or this one? If the second WOW what a mentor & maybe in the future you might not want to brag about that.

ENRD
APRIL 16, 1999
(202) 514-2007
WWW.USDOJ.GOV
TDD (202) 514-1888
REPTILE SMUGGLER SENTENCED FOR TRAFFICKING IN RARE SPECIES

Undercover Operation Aims To Shut Down Black Market

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In an ongoing crackdown on the trafficking of endangered species, Tommy Edward Crutchfield of Florida will serve 30 months in prison for his role in smuggling rare reptiles from Madagascar into the United States, the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Florida announced today.

Tommy Crutchfield was sentenced in U.S. District Court in Orlando. He pleaded guilty in January, 1999, to seven felony counts of conspiracy, smuggling and violating the Lacey Act, a federal wildlife statute. At the time of his plea, Crutchfield already was on supervised release and had served a prison sentence for smuggling endangered Fiji Island Iguanas into the United States in 1995. His illegal activity was uncovered by U.S. Fish and Wildlife agents as part of Operation Chameleon, a five-year effort to stop the smuggling of rare species into the United States in violation of federal law and international treaty.

"Trafficking in rare species threatens our environment," said Lois Schiffer, Assistant Attorney General for Environment and Natural Resources. "Let the message be clear: We will take whatever steps are necessary here and abroad to stop the black market."

Crutchfield, the former owner of Tom Crutchfield's Reptile Enterprises in Lake Panasoffkee, FL, also was sentenced to three years of supervised release, during which time he is prohibited from engaging in the wildlife trade. Crutchfield admitted to smuggling more than 200 reptiles into the United States. The species included the Madagascar Tree Boa and the Madagascar Ground Boa, both of which are protected by the an international treaty known as CITES, or the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. Many of these animals were illegally brought into the United States as part of an ongoing conspiracy between Crutchfield and two German nationals, Wolfgang Kloe and Frank Lehmeyer, who smuggled the reptiles out of Madagascar.

In addition, Crutchfield admitted in January, 1999, that he had bought smuggle exotic turtles from a Japanese national, Kei Tomono, in 1996. Both Kloe and Tomono have been sentenced to prison terms for their roles in the smuggling conspiracy, while Lehmeyer remains at large. A reward may be available for information leading to Lehmeyer's arrest and conviction.

Crutchfield was considered one of the largest reptile importers in the United States before he fled to Belize in 1997, after the Justice Department notified him that he was under investigation. Last August, he was expelled from Belize and arrested by federal authorities in Miami as he returned to the United States.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service runs Operation Chameleon with cooperation from authorities in Florida, Virginia, Canada, Germany, Mexico, the Netherlands, South Africa, Belize and Japan.

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99-140
 
What part of honest living did you not understand

Chris
ARE YOU STUPID or something???
Because I CLEARLY said this
I have my own licenses and have been in the reptile business since 1988 when I worked for Tom Crutchfield in Ft Myers
and then that I had my own business (I WAS HIS COMPETITION) from 1990 till he dropped out for obvious reasons.

So what you are saying here is that because a boss that I had in the past was arrested for smuggling I am guilty of the same things. I DID NOT WORK FOR THE MAN FOR 10 YEARS till he was arrested.
Another thing is I did not say he was MY mentor I said I worked for him and learned alot of things from (MOSTLY ERIC THISS AND CHRIS MCQUADE OF GULF COAST REPTILES WHO ALSO WORKED FOR HIM AT THE TIME) from them mostly on how to care for the reptiles and safe handling of crocodilians and venomous species, which by the way I have never been hurt by due to their excellent tutelage/ I was a cage cleaner there and the only reason I brought it up was to prove to you that I have more than a little bit of experience in this business.
So I guess anyone who had any dealing with him is guilty of what ever he did. I REPEAT FOR THOSE WHO ARE HARD OF HEAD
I WAS ALREADY OWNING MY OWN BUSINESS FOR about 10 years and I had NO/ NIL/NADA contact with him this entire time and still do not have any with him.
If you are making some sort of accusation I suggest that you make it and prove it right now.
This is totally uncalled for and rediculous...the person that started this whole thing did it because he could not play me against neil to get a better deal. and has infact emailed me TODAY to try and get the snake that started this whole thing.
HE must have been really concerned about me ripping someone off.
Jewell
By the way ...who did you learn from or do you just naturally know everything about reptiles?
 
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