Intense Herpetoculture - Any feedback?

[Wraith]

aww.... he's too busy over on arachnoboards trying to convince people he's ok to do business with and that his dealings with the reptile people have nothing to do with how he treats his spider customers...which looks like he's trying to scam some of them too.


Arachnoboards > Reviews > Online Dealer Reviews
Justyn Miller (www.intenseherp.com)
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=94719

Arachnoboards > Reviews > Seller/Shop Inquiries/Warnings
inquiry on "Justyn"
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=110359

 

[Phobos]

I had him "Black Listed" from SHHS (Southeastern Hot Herps Society) website. He insisted in posting classified ad's for herps.

I suggest we go over and tell the Arachnids folks what's he's really like.

Al

 

[Justyn]

Al, your something all right. It is funny that you had me "black listed" ONLY after I refused to help you recover money that was stolen from you by an African exporter. Before that, you even purchased animals off my postings yourself, and you where happy with them. It is not my fault you got ripped off by trying to playing "reptile importer".

I had him "Black Listed" from SHHS (Southeastern Hot Herps Society) website. He insisted in posting classified ad's for herps.

I suggest we go over and tell the Arachnids folks what's he's really like.

Al

As for Arachnoboards, I have sent shipments to dozens of people on there in the past 3-4 months. No one has been ripped off, surprize! The only issue I've had was one guy who was not even charged for animals I could no longer provide him (the correct sexes, or unsexed specimens).

 

[John E Dove]

I suggest we go over and tell the Arachnids folks what's he's really like.

Al

I think that one of the Admins over there (Mister Internet) has his number.
If I remember correctly they very much dislike our taking Herp issues to their forum.

 

[Cat_72]

As for Arachnoboards, I have sent shipments to dozens of people on there in the past 3-4 months. No one has been ripped off, surprize! The only issue I've had was one guy who was not even charged for animals I could no longer provide him (the correct sexes, or unsexed specimens).

If you're making these "dozens" of sales over there, why is poor Craig over here still empty handed? Still can't afford to give him his refund?

 

[ravensgait]

Justyn I guess you just rip off people in the Reptile hobby then? yeah right !!! if they give you enough rope you'll hang yourself in the bug trades just as you have in the reptile trade... To bad the bug folks are to blind and well dumb to realise that..

Oh by the way I know rules ETC are a stretch for ya but your full name is required here and you know that..Randy

 

[Justyn]

No, I had a period in my life last year when everything went wrong. I am still takes steps to correct it. Luckily I only have less then half of those peopel to still take care of. It has not been easy with a smaller income since these events, but I am doing my best.

As for my full name, it should be there. I'll correct it if it is not.

Justyn I guess you just rip off people in the Reptile hobby then? yeah right !!! if they give you enough rope you'll hang yourself in the bug trades just as you have in the reptile trade... To bad the bug folks are to blind and well dumb to realise that..

Oh by the way I know rules ETC are a stretch for ya but your full name is required here and you know that..Randy

 

[Justyn]

Ok, for some reason it will not let me add my name. I guess because it is an old account? Either way.

Justyn Miller

 

[Dennis Hultman]

No, I had a period in my life last year when everything went wrong.

Things happen to all of us. Life can appear to be unfair at times to many of us.
You sat there eight months ago and made a choice to type all the below BS. You went through with the whole charade that you sent Craig a refund.

05-20-2007, 09:13 PM Refunds sent.

05-20-2007, 09:46 PM

Just responded, I failed to see your post until this time. I do not have tracking numbers as said, but I do have receipts of the money orders I'll scan here in a bit.

05-20-2007, 09:45 PM

I do not have tracking numbers on these shipments as I was forced to send them via USPS since I missed the FedEx on Friday and sent these out on Sat. I bought some express stamps for about $13.00 each from a vending machine. They are supposed to get there mighty quickly and hopefully went out Sat. I would have done better, but it was after hours on Sat. so I was not able to go to the counter.

Originally Posted by erk2
where did you purchase the money orders from??

My bank.

Originally Posted by christopher66
Your sitting next to your scanner...right?
When i get money orders i put the receipts in my wallet after Ive made the purchase,and if Ive sent them ill keep those stubs with my business papers.Which i keep by my computer.which is were i am now .with my scanner.
How do you do it?

I have one of those damn LexMark all-in-one things. Have you tried to use it, it's a pain in the....... I'm working on it. If all else fails, I can take a picture, but I have a feeling it will white most of everything out, so not the best direction to go.

You know, I'm tired of this, why would he need to confirm, all he has to do if cash the dang thing when it gets in his hands in the next day or two?

You made the choice to lie on this thread. You made the choice to deceive all that were understanding of your position and gave you the benefit at the beginning of this.

You posted this on the other forum yesterday.

I understand and commend your efforts. I am still very active in the herp world, just not on fauna. As for outright lies, never told them. I'm not going into that now as I've already said everything that needs to be said. I'm not playing victim here, I've said what happened was my fault. The only thing I've disbuted was why it happened.

Sorry Justyn! You lied in that statement as you have lied on this thread. Regardless of what happened with the shipments, regardless of financial turmoil, you still made a choice to come here and deceive your friends and customers. Many could have understood the situation (even if they didn't like it) if you would have been upfront and worked with your customers honestly from the beginning.

 

[Phobos]

Al, your something all right. It is funny that you had me "black listed" ONLY after I refused to help you recover money that was stolen from you by an African exporter. Before that, you even purchased animals off my postings yourself, and you where happy with them. It is not my fault you got ripped off by trying to playing "reptile importer".




As for Arachnoboards, I have sent shipments to dozens of people on there in the past 3-4 months. No one has been ripped off, surprize! The only issue I've had was one guy who was not even charged for animals I could no longer provide him (the correct sexes, or unsexed specimens).

Once again you are not being factual. I do not have the ability to black-list anyone on the SHHS. Chris & Karl are the ones who can do that, not me. They acted on the facts of the matter presented and not with anything to do with me or any of my business dealings.

 

[Wraith]

As for Arachnoboards, I have sent shipments to dozens of people on there in the past 3-4 months. No one has been ripped off, surprize! The only issue I've had was one guy who was not even charged for animals I could no longer provide him (the correct sexes, or unsexed specimens).

So why were you advertising spiders as being sexed when they were not? It is not ethical to advertise sexed females for sale and then after someone tries to buy it suddenly turn around and say it's a male. If you don't know the gender of a spider you are supposed to advertise it as unsexed until proven otherwise - not the other way around.

 

[Mister Internet]

I think that one of the Admins over there (Mister Internet) has his number.
If I remember correctly they very much dislike our taking Herp issues to their forum.

It's not that we don't appreciate what happens in the herp world, we just don't want our review forums to take on the nature of the BOI... the BOI is an incredible tool, and the best on the 'Net at what it does, and there's no need to have a "wanna-be" version of it on AB. So, we just have rather strict rules about the types of discussions that can take place in dealer/seller reviews and inquiries. Some people try to make it much more nefarious and conspiratorial than that, but that's really all it is in a nutshell...

To bad the bug folks are to blind and well dumb to realise that..

I'll give you the chance to amend/correct this sentiment before I tell you my thoughts on it. I'm sure it was a simple mistake.

 

[ravensgait]

Hey Tom, I saw the threads that were deleted and the comments to the effect that Hey he hasn't ripped off us bug people yet so don't tell us what he did to you reptile folks as we don't care ETC ETC. Now in my book the bug people who made those responses seems pretty blind and dumb. And there were a number of responders who held pretty much the opinion that until they themselves got taken they didn't care what the guy had done. Seemed rather upset that some of the reptile crowd tried to warn them about a scammer. Now lets not side track this thread all because you have your knickers in a wad. You want to discuss it start a thread on Your site and send me a link and I'm your huckleberry.
Randy

 

[Mister Internet]

Hey Tom, I saw the threads that were deleted and the comments to the effect that Hey he hasn't ripped off us bug people yet so don't tell us what he did to you reptile folks as we don't care ETC ETC. Now in my book the bug people who made those responses seems pretty blind and dumb. And there were a number of responders who held pretty much the opinion that until they themselves got taken they didn't care what the guy had done. Seemed rather upset that some of the reptile crowd tried to warn them about a scammer. Now lets not side track this thread all because you have your knickers in a wad. You want to discuss it start a thread on Your site and send me a link and I'm your huckleberry.
Randy

Alrighty then.

 

[KNOBTAIL]

If you feel its that necessary

rather than continue to nit pick on every move Justyn makes. Why not sue him rather continuously cry about every site you find him advertising in. That is not going to stop, and as long as Justyn continues to stay in this business and apparently he does not hide since he is using his name and his business name, it has now become ridiculous with over 170 posts complaining about the same problem.

Either do something about it or move on. Their are legal remedies available and if you feel you have been taken financially, then use these avenues for redress. Contacting other webmasters at other sites is not the answer. They are not Fauna, but independent marketing tools designed to provide for their own customers. Looking to buy and sell their items without being hammered by people from another site who have a grudge whether its real or not. They are not a "board of inquiry". Nor should they entertain anyone's displeasure with complaints from individuals from another site such as Fauna. This includes the loss of money.

When Kingsnake clamps down on an individual or business it is because they violated Kingsnake rules not Fauna's. But to have members of Fauna contacting Kingsnake because of a complaint can easily get out of hand and serves no purpose other than providing another avenue to let people know their side of a story and the loss of revenue. Kingsnake will not allow it. Neither should the Arachnid board or any other site devoted to Reptiles.

Get an attorney, and use the court system if you feel you have been victimized. Thats what its there for.

 

[John E Dove]

Off Topic

It's not that we don't appreciate what happens in the herp world, we just don't want our review forums to take on the nature of the BOI... the BOI is an incredible tool, and the best on the 'Net at what it does, and there's no need to have a "wanna-be" version of it on AB. So, we just have rather strict rules about the types of discussions that can take place in dealer/seller reviews and inquiries. Some people try to make it much more nefarious and conspiratorial than that, but that's really all it is in a nutshell...

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I felt it was something nefarious or conspiratorial. I fully understand not wanting cross site disputes to erupt, they tend to be counter productive.
My post was intended to be a discouraging response to someone suggesting we all post on the AB about Justyn's business practices and reading the posts by yourself and others on the AB it seems fairly clear that folks there are already well aware.

Mr. Mackey,
I think if you'll take a look at the second AB link someone posted earlier you will see the people there are aware of the fact that Mr. Miller is showing himself to be a liar and cheat.
Please don't make it a Herp people vs "Bug" people thing. I for one keep both as I am sure many other herpers do. Though I have more Reptilians than Arachnids that does not lessen my fascination and feeling towards my Arachnids.

Now can we get back to Mr. Miller's lousy business practices?

Hey Mr. Miller,
I have seen you repeatedly mention that you have paid off or made good on about half of those you scammed.
Care to post a list?
Why are those people not coming forward and letting anyone know you are at least making an effort?

 

[ravensgait]

rather than continue to nit pick on every move Justyn makes. Why not sue him rather continuously cry about every site you find him advertising in. That is not going to stop, and as long as Justyn continues to stay in this business and apparently he does not hide since he is using his name and his business name, it has now become ridiculous with over 170 posts complaining about the same problem.

Either do something about it or move on. Their are legal remedies available and if you feel you have been taken financially, then use these avenues for redress. Contacting other webmasters at other sites is not the answer. They are not Fauna, but independent marketing tools designed to provide for their own customers. Looking to buy and sell their items without being hammered by people from another site who have a grudge whether its real or not. They are not a "board of inquiry". Nor should they entertain anyone's displeasure with complaints from individuals from another site such as Fauna. This includes the loss of money.

When Kingsnake clamps down on an individual or business it is because they violated Kingsnake rules not Fauna's. But to have members of Fauna contacting Kingsnake because of a complaint can easily get out of hand and serves no purpose other than providing another avenue to let people know their side of a story and the loss of revenue. Kingsnake will not allow it. Neither should the Arachnid board or any other site devoted to Reptiles.

Get an attorney, and use the court system if you feel you have been victimized. Thats what its there for.

Not sure who you were responding to but I know you've been around here long enough to see that in most cases the amount of money owed doesn't make it worth hiring an attorney. As well as in most cases the amount owed or stolen isn't worth law enforcement taking much of an interest which I guess is the reason the BOI is here so that we can do what we can to police ourselves.

Over and over we see people complain because they think this or that about a thread here and I wonder why they read them...Randy

 

[ravensgait]

Well mister Dove,
I have to agree with your assertion and will note that I as well own both. I should have been more clear and referenced my comments to those who responded in the threads I mentioned.. Randy

 

[KNOBTAIL]

I dont know about monies being owed, but it does seem a bit of an overkill at this stage of the game. Apparently the people who are presently purchasing whatever they are buying from Justyn seem content. I just dont know how long someone is going to post a thread of "no refund" or " still no refund ". This would also hold true to other threads as well. If someone feels compelled to continue to keep this thread alive, eventually people will get bored with it and move on themselves. You are probably correct about not being worth the effort to pursue any type of litigation. But then again, Its also possible that Justyn may make good on any promises that he may have made. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but he certainly has not hidden his business which is allot more than some of these weekend thieves that have come across this forum. Just my opinion.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I dont know about monies being owed, but it does seem a bit of an overkill at this stage of the game. Apparently the people who are presently purchasing whatever they are buying from Justyn seem content. I just dont know how long someone is going to post a thread of "no refund" or " still no refund ". This would also hold true to other threads as well. If someone feels compelled to continue to keep this thread alive, eventually people will get bored with it and move on themselves. You are probably correct about not being worth the effort to pursue any type of litigation. But then again, Its also possible that Justyn may make good on any promises that he may have made. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but he certainly has not hidden his business which is allot more than some of these weekend thieves that have come across this forum. Just my opinion.

That's great Jerry if you think it's overkill, there is nothing stopping you from changing the channel. However, Regardless of any legal action taken, if it was my thousand or two I would take every opportunity to remind others what has happened.

but he certainly has not hidden his business which is allot more than some of these weekend thieves that have come across this forum.

Oh certainly not. He just reverted back to using an older screen name and avoided the issues for eight months.