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Jake Terry tricked me

amcroyals said:
Ok, the animal has an exposed area of tissue. I have seen many rectal and hemipenis prolapse and IMO this is not the case. The animal is being treated topicaly and Doug has coordinated with me and the animal will be seen by a DVM. The animal is not suffering and is eating drinking and acting normal. The animal was treated prior to arriving with Doug for a prolapse and at this point no prolapse has been noted IMO. Thank you for your concern.

Alan Cole, CVT
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I need to clarify my last response. The animal had a prior diagnosis of a prolapse when in Jake Terry's care. Right now, I can describe what I am seeing with the animal in Doug's care. At the cloaca there is abraded flesh and inflamed flesh protruding along with the still present "cyst". It is not consistant with a hemipenis prolapse but that is not to imply that this isn't a prolapse of some kind. I do not see any organ exposed from the cloaca area. The animal is not in need of an emergency exam my opinion but will be seen for this problem by a DVM tomarrow. IMO the animal has more than one issue in the cloaca area (cyst, abrasion, potential prolapse of some kind with prior history of some kind of prolapse) and will be seen/and treated ASAP.

Alan Cole, CVT
 
Doug, you got a great price on the snake, I went down to much lower than any other proven breeder butters at the time.

If the problem had occurred within day, or a week, or even a month of getting him, I would would have gladly taken him back, refunded the money, and called it a day, but after 2 months, where you said he didn't breed at all. I am not calling this crap but 2 months out of my care, I have no idea about the conditions the snake was kept it, if he was bred.

You knew the snake had a problem Doug and you still bought him. After 2 months, I feel no refund is called for.

To everybody, I offered to make this right from the time I was informed of the problem.
The offers and demands shifted and that led me to just say no.
 
Jake,

You should take the snake back, and if he gets any eggs from the Butter, you should get all but one of the hatchlings. You know you were not totally upfront about the condition of the snake when you sold it. You got caught...now make it right, or you will FOREVER be known as the dude who sold a breeder butter that could not breed. As for your price, you would not have lowered it if the snake was in top condition! The snake, as it was sent to Doug, was worth pretty much $0, so who ripped off who?

Dave
 
Jake. thats a prolapse. thats not a small rub. You know me and you know my opinion of you, and that it is good, But That being called a rub, and that it is OKAY is flat out wrong.

Theres no way that is just a rub. that snake SHOULD NOT have been bred by EITHER of you, and the fact that it was, with its existing problem was a pretty STUPID idea. you shouldnt have sold it saying it wasnt as big of a deal as it was and that he was still looking for girls.

And the OP should never have bred it either. Heck, what about quarantine!?
 
Thank you for letting us know. I'm glad. I really do hope that the refund is processed. It is the right thing to do.

Good luck!




amcroyals said:
Ok, the animal has an exposed area of tissue. I have seen many rectal and hemipenis prolapse and IMO this is not the case. The animal is being treated topicaly and Doug has coordinated with me and the animal will be seen by a DVM. The animal is not suffering and is eating drinking and acting normal. The animal was treated prior to arriving with Doug for a prolapse and at this point no prolapse has been noted IMO. Thank you for your concern.

Alan Cole, CVT
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Alicia, when the snake was shipped out, there was a small rub on the vent which was treated with a steroid/topical cream. He was made aware of this and still proceeded with the deal.
The 'prolapse' in my care was caught and treated some time before it was shipped to Doug. He was feeding, and O.K. to go.

I had no intentions of anyone getting screwed, plain and simple, the problem took 2 months to surface. If I had been informed he was not happy within a reasonable amount of time, there would have been a refund.
 
Breeding the butter

Mooing Tricycle says: "Theres no way that is just a rub. that snake SHOULD NOT have been bred by EITHER of you, and the fact that it was, with its existing problem was a pretty STUPID idea. you shouldnt have sold it saying it wasnt as big of a deal as it was and that he was still looking for girls.

And the OP should never have bred it either. Heck, what about quarantine!?"


You can criticize my short quarenteen, which only lasted for a matter of days, and I have no good defense for that. However. at the time I attempted breeding, the extent of the problem was simply not evident. I was never told that the vet said the snake should not breed this year. I could not know that the act of breeding would re-harm this snake. Of course once Jake said there was a minor rub, I should have stopped the deal, even though that was after I had paid. These things are easy to see now. But Jake had the advantage of knowing these problems before he sent the snake, and he, as this thread implies, tricked me.

Oh, and Jake, I will admit again, as I have in this thread already, that I did change my mind about accepting a hatchling from you. I did this because as I learned more of the story, and as I learned from talking to your dad on the phone that you might not be of legal age to form contracts, and that if there is a problem with snakes from you that you will not talk to me, but will make me deal with your dad, that waiting to resolve this issue would make it harder and harder to ever get a fair deal from you.

I encourage people to read through Jake's emails. posted at the beginning of this thread, to see why I have come to the conclusion that I can not trust Jake's word.

Now if I felt 100% sure that I was getting a butter hatchling of my choice from Jake, I would accept that. Can anyone here, besides Jake, make me that promise?
 
:toiletcla There you go Jake. The infamous reputation going down the crapper trophy. You earned it!!

I know I personally would never buy anything from you now nor would I sell to you. I have a feeling there are many more who are feeling the same way.
 
Jake The Snake said:
Alicia, when the snake was shipped out, there was a small rub on the vent which was treated with a steroid/topical cream. He was made aware of this and still proceeded with the deal.
The 'prolapse' in my care was caught and treated some time before it was shipped to Doug. He was feeding, and O.K. to go.

I had no intentions of anyone getting screwed, plain and simple, the problem took 2 months to surface. If I had been informed he was not happy within a reasonable amount of time, there would have been a refund.
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Jake, do you have all of the emails between you two? Can you post them?

Did you tell him that it had had a prolapse before? I think thats pretty important information, especially since they can come back.

The problem with the cyst was already there though, you told him after he sent the money, what was that about, why after you received the money? That shouldn't have happened in the first place.

This is an odd situation, because, while he sent the money for a healthy snake, you then told him it had a rub, and he still accepted the snake, but based that decision on the fact that you told him that it was going to be OK and was not a big deal. I think thats the main problem area of this. But THEN He bred the snake, KNOWING it had a problem, big or small, it was not 100%. He should not have. That was a really stupid idea. No quarantine, no nothing.

I suppose i can understand after two months, But the problem was already present. I just dont think its right.
 
One of Brock's emails

First, again, I regret to have to bring Brock into this.

But here is an email from him dated July 27th:

Doug





Yes I do have a proven 04 Lesser male that was produced by Ralph that I am going to sale. I gave the snake to Jake and one of his friends to breed because he has been a good customer and friend to me to make up for the Butter having the prolapse problem. I have to get the snake back and then I am going to sell him and he has no problems whatsoever. You might not believe this but I paid 30K for that male Butter back in late 05 from Mark Bell. He is a great snake and a wonderful breeding machine. Take him to the vet and they should be able to fix him. I think he will be able to breed just fine for you this winter with the proper love and attention right now. Sorry that this happened to you I never want anyone to get hurt in this business. I have been screwed many times by the big breeders for thousands of dollars. If you are interested in the Lesser let me know. Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way!



Thanks

Brock
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
I suppose i can understand after two months, But the problem was already present. I just dont think its right.
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Jake flat out withheld the full medical background of that snake. Hid it even. On purpose, hoping it would not come to light so soon. I dont care if it was 6 months later when the scumbag was hiding prior medical issues.

ALL honest breeders would have been completely up front, Alicia. You think Gib, John, Richard would hide that crap?
 
Oh, and why would Jake be using a lesser if the butter was a viable breeder? That does not make sense to me, as butters are every bit as valuable as lessers! Jake sent me a snake that should not be bred, knowing full well that I intended to breed it.
 
shrap said:
Jake flat out withheld the full medical background of that snake. Hid it even. On purpose, hoping it would not come to light so soon. I dont care if it was 6 months later when the scumbag was hiding prior medical issues.

ALL honest breeders would have been completely up front, Alicia. You think Gib, John, Richard would hide that crap?
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Sammy, i don't disagree at all, i would expect NO less. I was going to even post something similar, but just didnt. But which is why i asked him flat out if he told him about the previous prolapse.

If i were the buyer, i would expect to be told about any problems the snake might have had in the past. I dont like to just jump in. It just makes crap worse * i really do try to not, anyway*. I think, if Jake sees what is being said, he will understand where we are all coming from. I'd like to see him fix this.
 
doug-ferrin said:
Oh, and why would Jake be using a lesser if the butter was a viable breeder? That does not make sense to me, as butters are every bit as valuable as lessers! Jake sent me a snake that should not be bred, knowing full well that I intended to breed it.
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you ACCEPTED the "Rub" though. Did you not look into it as more of a potential problem? I know i would.

Honestly i think you both messed up. Jake Moreso than you * the prolapse should have been mentioned in the AD in the first place*, But i Do feel you deserve a refund, or replacement of the animal.
 
Vet Report

I too would like to see the original vet report. I will take this to the vet I will be seeing if Jake publishes it soon.

Jake, I am holding you responsible for any vet fees that occur, since you rejected my offer to send you the snake at my expense, with the understanding that you would pay 1/2 of the amount I paid as long as the snake arrived alive, and the remaining 1/2 within a month.

I guess this is a lesson learned that if a seller mentions veterinarian care, buyer should require a full vet report. I know I will in the future...In fact, it might even be a good idea to call the vet to get further clarification.
 
Alright, I have no dog in this hunt what so ever, but, I do know Jake from "fauna chat" Jake is a minor and still in high school!

Doug, you have been around fauna for 4 years. Did you research him as a seller at all?? You put a snake that had an issue right into a breeding program with no quarantine? Lets forget about the prolaps for a second here....did it even occur to you that you could loose your whole collection?

And Jake, why on earth would you even risk selling an animal that could become a potential problem child, have you not learned anything from us in chat? Stress from shipping can cause a relapse of a previous illness.

Have either one of you even thought about what is good for the animal in question? Aside from placing a monetary value on his head?

You both make me sick! Maybe you should pick up the phone and call Jen Harrison and ask her how she's doing? What her lack of quarantine cost her and thank your luck stars that this animal has a problem that can be fixed with time and stop quibbling over money.

You were both greedy and stupid! Do you home work next time and maybe just maybe, you'll gain some knowledge and wisdom from this situation!
 
Laura Fopiano said:
Alright, I have no dog in this hunt what so ever, but, I do know Jake from "fauna chat" Jake is a minor and still in high school!

You both make me sick! Maybe you should pick up the phone and call Jen Harrison and ask her how she's doing? What her lack of quarantine cost her and thank your luck stars that this animal has a problem that can be fixed with time and stop quibbling over money.

You were both greedy and stupid! Do you home work next time and maybe just maybe, you'll gain some knowledge and wisdom from this situation!
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:confused: you have no dog in this??? :confused: people like you make me sick with remarks like that and then carry on with a bunch of more remarks that discount your original remark. For this reason I refuse to post anymore on this!

Alan Cole
 
Jake, I know you're out there...

Jake,

Before more people get sick, and you become liable for their doctor bills as well as the snake's vet bills, why don't you post the original vet notes about the snake's condition?
 
Jake, if you bought the snake with issues, you should have brought it to the attention of the seller who sold you the snake. If the snake was injured or had a breeding accident, or if you bred him on bark and he injured himself while breeding, then the snake was sold to you healthy, and was injured at your house. If I read the thread correctly, you told your buyer that the snake had a rub ONLY after you got their money. If I was the buyer, I would have demanded my money back on the spot. So, how exactly did the snake get to the point where he had a rub, a prolapse, a cyste, and when you took him to the vet, what exactly did the vet say? You are coming off as a kid playing an adult's game. You do not go out and spend the money you get right away, in case their is an issue, and a refund is in order. You sold him a less than perfect snake....and it got worse at his place. You owe him a refund, take the snake back, and see if you can get him healthy again. But from what I have heard, breeding him is out of the question for awhile, if not for good.
 
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