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Bad Guy Jason Perillo - Protean Terrarium Design

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I would like to say that overall I have had a very poor experience with Jason Perillo of Protean Terrarium Design. I would in no way recommend anyone to purchase custom vivariums from this company.

I paid for and ordered 4 22.5x17x24 vivariums with 2 drill holes (one for a drainage bulkhead, one for misting nozzle) and sub door venting from Jason on December 22, 2010. For $600.

Here is a screen shot of the order receipt on Google Checkout:


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Jason had assured me several times over the following months that my tanks would be done by the beginning of February. As February came and went Jason continually gave a myriad of excuses as to why my tanks were not done. I won't list all the 'personal' reasons that he gave, there were many.

The only thing that seemed to get Jason's attention was threatening to dispute the credit card charges. My calls were magically answered and text messages responded to.

Jason is very friendly on the phone, we talked often about everything from my military experiences to his pregnant girlfriend. I thought we had a very amicable relationship.

Much of our communication was over the phone, which I prefer, so I only have a few e-mail exchanges.

Here are two e-mails from me to Jason.

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Oh, also I've decided to go with the standard or value nozzles.

Thanks again!

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, S H <[email protected]> wrote:


From: S H <[email protected]>
Subject: Bulkhead Size
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 3:17 PM

Jason,

I just ordered 4 of the 1/2in bulkhead's from Jehmco. (item BF1/2K) The website lists the required hole size as 1 1/8in.

Hope the holidays went well for you! If you find out you're having a girl and need clothes (newborn - 3months) we have TONS of extras just let me know.

Thanks!

-Steven

Jason's response.

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Jason Perillo <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jason Perillo <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mist & (Fw: Bulkhead Size)
To: "S H" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 11:04 PM

Good to know. I'll add that to the file for them.

-jason.p


> Oh, also I've decided to go with the standard or value nozzles.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, S H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: S H <[email protected]>
> Subject: Bulkhead Size
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 3:17 PM
>
> Jason,
>
> I just ordered 4 of the 1/2in bulkhead's from Jehmco. (item BF1/2K) The
> website lists the required hole size as 1 1/8in.
>
> Hope the holidays went well for you! If you find out you're having a girl
> and need clothes (newborn - 3months) we have TONS of extras just let me
> know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Jason Perillo
Protean Terrarium Design
Protean Imports
Portland, Or 97217
626-808-8500
Their world, in your's...

Here are the last 2 e-mails I sent to Jason. The first is when I was really starting to get mad, the 2nd is the e-mail after I got the broken tanks.

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Jason,

You had assured me on Monday over the phone that I would hear from the shipping agency on Tuesday. At the end of that day I still had no e-mail from them or any communication from you. I believe that I have been very patient and understanding to whatever is going on in your personal life. Unfortunately my patience is wearing thin. As of today it has been 68 days since I ordered and paid in full for my tanks.

-Steven Hausman

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* WRONG DRILL 1.JPGWRONG DRILL 1.JPG
* WRONG DRILL 2.JPGWRONG DRILL 2.JPG
* Listing Pallet on Tarp.JPGListing Pallet on Tarp.JPG
* Broken Glass on Lift.JPGBroken Glass on Lift.JPG
* Close Up Broken Vent.JPGClose Up Broken Vent.JPG

Jason,

Based upon my previous experiences, the only way I would order replacement tanks from you EVER was if I paid you after I got the tanks.

Attached are some pictures.


Here is the e-mail exchange you forgot about.

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Jason Perillo <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jason Perillo <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mist & (Fw: Bulkhead Size)
To: "S H" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 11:04 PM

Good to know. I'll add that to the file for them.

-jason.p


> Oh, also I've decided to go with the standard or value nozzles.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, S H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: S H <[email protected]>
> Subject: Bulkhead Size
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 3:17 PM
>
> Jason,
>
> I just ordered 4 of the 1/2in bulkhead's from Jehmco. (item BF1/2K) The
> website lists the required hole size as 1 1/8in.
>
> Hope the holidays went well for you! If you find out you're having a girl
> and need clothes (newborn - 3months) we have TONS of extras just let me
> know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jason Perillo
Protean Terrarium Design
Protean Imports
Portland, Or 97217
626-808-8500
Their world, in your's...

In the end after waiting 85 days, my tanks were 38 days late, broken, and drilled wrong.

Here is how Jason loaded a pallet with 300lbs of glass to travel from Portland, OR to Murfreesboro, TN (over 2,000 miles). He tied my box of tanks to the pallet with that pallet shrink wrap stuff.

No wonder the shipping company before this one refused the pickup.

Still on the ramp, I asked the guy to stop so we could take pictures the whole way.

I also took the day off from college to make sure I was home to get these tanks.

OntheLift2.jpg


Another angle.

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Broken Glass everywhere.

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BrokenGlassonLift.jpg


The bottom two tanks suffered the most of the damage.

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Broken Vent Arch, almost the same break on both of the top tanks. As well as pictures showing the wrong holes. 2 misting nozzle holes instead of 1, and no bulkhead hole.

CloseUpBrokenVent3.jpg


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Even before the box of tanks was on the lift gate, I called the shipping agent to let him know it was damaged. I opened up the box in the hopes that the top 2 tanks were not damaged. I signed for the tanks as damaged and returned and am currently in the process of filing a claim with the shipping company.

I also called Jason after getting the broken tanks. When I told him that he had drilled the tanks wrong all he had to say was "Oh...shit." Right. Also, I told him that I would not be requesting replacement tanks from him because of the overall bad experience. He tried to assure me that he could have replacement tanks out to me in 2 weeks. I of course, have stopped believing this guy.

-Steven Hausman
 
Wow there is no excuse for the shipping job. I can't imagine it all the shipping companies fault since Jason took forever to complete the order and when he did, he did them wrong!!

Good luck in getting some money back!!
 
I do not think that he is aware of it.

From the PTD facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Protean-Terrarium-Design/209325149676

Protean Terrarium Design
estes is no good for shipping pallets of cages. 1 pallet is dead because of them. saia and oak harbor don't break cages...

rebuilding them next week.

I had already told him over the phone that I was going to take my business elsewhere and the other e-mail I sent him is listed above.

After I sent him a text message yesterday notifying him that I had sent the e-mail he sent me a test message saying "Thanks. I will give you a call on friday"

The only way that I will pay him again from the shipping company's refund is I pay him after I get them, as stated in my e-mail to him.


I did see the other threads on BOI after I had already ordered from him. I have talked to several other people and they either had a good experience or a bad one.
 
I'm not a shipping pro, but it looks like it would have been safer laid on it's side rather than standing up like that... or at least divided on two different pallets.
 
I'm not a shipping pro, but it looks like it would have been safer laid on it's side rather than standing up like that... or at least divided on two different pallets.

Well Obviously he cut corners since it's so expensive to ship freight, so he wanted to minimize the hurt on his wallet. Just a sign of a seller who doesn't know how to research before he commits to a sale.
 
poor packaging job. Those boxes are not strong enough to support the weight and height of the stack; should have used boxes with a stronger crush test, probably double walled boxes would have made a world of difference. Also should have turned it around so it matches the length of the pallet and also 4 way strapped it (with actual strapping, not length of stretch wrap). The other thing they might have considered was using a pallet that matched the footprint of the item more closely. I could not tell what if any insulation was used to help absorb the shock it would go through in transit.. but we usually pack glass objects in foam.

(I work for a packaging company, only reason I bring this stuff up)

Are you going to make him aware of the thread? It sounds like he is going to be calling you today? I hope you both can come to a good resolution.
 
Somewhat in Jason's defense, I did not specify the way in which I wanted the tanks to be shipped. I left that decision up to his judgment.

Since I was going to pay nearly $300 just to have these tanks shipped to me, I would have been willing to pay a little more to have my tanks securely packaged.

At first I thought to myself that maybe he ships all his tanks like this and that this incident was just an unfortunate accident. That is, until I ran into this thread:
http://www.chameleonforums.com/new-custom-terrariums-protean-terrariums-36915/

Just to reiterate, these are not my tanks or my pictures. This is just an example I found of how he has shipped tanks in the past

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I find these pictures to be an example of the shipping knowledge and skill that Jason has, which he unfortunately did not seem to apply to my shipment.

If Jason actually calls me today I will make him aware of this thread on the BOI.
 
IMPORTANT UPDATE

I just got off the phone with the shipping agent. He tells me that the pallet pictured above was not even the original pallet that Jason packed the tanks on. Jeremy (the shipping agent) said Jason packed the tanks on a pallet and secured the box to the pallet with ratchet straps and the box was on top of foam.

I believe this because of the obvious skill Jason shows for packaging tanks in the pictures above. As well as from what other people who have gotten tanks from him have said about how he ships.

In one of the pictures above, in my first post, you can see a black smear across the top of the box. This could be an indication that the box was dropped or hit by something.

Apparently, the tanks being broken is now most definitely the shipping company's fault.

The extremely late arrival and incorrect drilling are not the shippers fault though.
 
Why am I not surprised !

This is endemic with Jason. If you read some of the other threads concerning Jason and his twisted methods of doing business I find it amazing that he can attract buyers... And that brings me to Mr. Housman ! Put a time limit on drgood purchases out of town. Stick to it,. I would strongly suggest 2 things. 1. contact your credit card company immediately and institute a chargeback.....save your emails as photos WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS PROOF. Secondly, never accept a shipment like that. Always REFUSE IT otherwise, you are willing to accept responsibility and its intimated that the carrier has fulfilled his obligation... You may be stuck with the freight... For sure our buddy Jason is not going to reimburse you on that ! JERRY
 
Well, thankfully I did not accept the shipment. I signed it as damaged and returned it. The shipping agent Jeremy is on his A game about all this and I will have the paperwork submitted to the shipping company today. The shipping agency I used insures ME for the value of the tanks and shipping costs, not Jason. So I will get the refund check, not him.
 
I though I'd chime in as I've had a bit of an experience with Protean. I had quite the ordeal getting my terrarium shipped after months of bs this past fall and it came broken but decently packed, not as good as the pic above but decent. I think Greyhound just destroyed it. Jason agreed to rebuild and ship before the claim went through. I've had all the runaround that everyone else has had, but i got a pic with it and all it needs is holes drilled.
I agree that they haven't been professional, but I also think that basically everything that could have gone wrong over the past 6 months has gone wrong with them and he's scrambled to keep up. This is compounded by the fact that Jason, as is clear, should not be handling customer service in any way shape or form. From what I understand, his partner, who is due shortly to have a kid, is taking over all of this so he can just be told what and when to build.
Before writing him off, I suggest waiting to see how the new organization of the company goes in the following months. While there may not be excuses that purge him of blame, I really think that the company is about to turn around. Jason is a good guy, not a bad guy, he just doesn't handle pressure well at all or no how to deal with a bunch of irate customers. Now that he'll have his hands clean from that, I think we're going to see a much more reliable company. And, he does make the best vivs in the business. So, while there has been a lot of BS recently, I would say that all Protean needs is someone with some basic organizational skills (which he now has) dealing with the business end of things. So, while I would think I would be the last person to stick up for him, I am because the guy is serious about fixing his business, he just didn't have the ability, by himself, to do so, and I think he'll turn around.

I think in a few months, we'll find a much better company. You know, having vivs break and then needing to be rebuild is no good for anyone, so this should be self-correcting. Being really good at terrarium building doesn't make you good at dealing with prioritizing orders etc, and with that weight off, they should be more reliable.
 
Thanks a lot for your input Adam!

I would like to say that I just got an awesome letter from Amanda.

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>Dear Steven,

This is Amanda, I have taken over the customer service side of the
business at Protean Terrarium Design. I understand you received broken
cages from us on Wednesday and you are understandably frustrated by this.
We are also frustrated because we put a lot of time and effort into each
and every cage we build and as a small company, every loss effects our
bottom line and every customer is important.

I just had a meeting with Jason and here is what I understand of your
discussion with him and what is going to be done to satisfy you as a
customer.

We will rebuild all four of the standard sized terrariums that you ordered
with one drain hole (on the bottom), one misting hole (on the top,
centered) and EuroVenting. Because of our large order load, we will begin
manufacture in two weeks from today. We expect it will take about one
week to finish the tanks after that. We will send you an e-mail to this
address once we have begun the manufacturing process.

You will be billed for the tanks and after they arrive, you will have one
week to process your payment with us.

We would like you to send us a diagram of where you would like the holes
so we know exactly what you want there, it will just make things easier
for us and we will all be in agreement about where the holes will go.

Please respond to this e-mail to confirm this is your understanding of the
phone conversation you had with Jason.

If there is anything else I can do for you, please feel free to e-mail me
at this address.

Warm Regards,

Amanda
Customer Service Manager
Protean Terrarium Design


Jason,
>
> I would like to talk to you about replacement tanks via e-mail so that way
> there is a record of what is said.
>
> What sort of timetable are we looking at for replacement tanks, from start
> to potential shipping date?
>
> Also, I mentioned in my earlier e-mail that I would only pay you again for
> these new tanks from the refund money after I had received them.
>
> Thanks,
> Steven

I will keep this thread updated as to what is going on.
 
Here is the last few e-mail between Protean and myself.


Hello Steven,

We still have you on the list to re-make your terrariums for you.
However, I realize now that two weeks was completely unreasonable, for us,
to start manufacture of your replacements. I was not completely aware of
how many orders were currently in the pipeline at the time when your order
was moved back into our schedule. While I would love to move your order
up to the front of the line, I can not as every order is urgent for every
customer.

It looks like the order will be another 4 weeks (approximately) until
manufacture begins. Because we have recently hired another glass cutter,
it may be marginally shorter depending on how quick he is when he gets up
to speed.

So, just to reiterate, it will be a further 4 weeks before we can begin
manufacture of your replacement terrariums. This will bring your wait
time for your replacement terrariums up to 6 weeks before manufacture
begins. Once we have begun manufacture, it will take one week to complete
your order.

While we do not want to lose you as a customer, we understand that you may
not be able to wait that long and may have to find another solution for
your terrarium needs. As it stands, because of our shipping policy with
the customer arranging the shipping, the insurance payback will go
directly to you and you can, of course, do what you see fit with it.

As of this moment, your order is in the pipeline and will remain there
until I hear otherwise from you. Hopefully, you will be able to wait the
additional time and we will be able to send you your beautiful new
terrariums.

Warm Regards,

Amanda
Customer Service
Protean Terrarium Design




> Amanda,
>
> I was just checking to see if everything is still on schedule?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Steven
>
> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Replacement Tanks
> To: "S H" <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 1:12 PM
>
> Steven,
>
> I received the attachments and everything looks good. I will let you know
> via e-mail when we start manufacture for you and that should give you
> about a week to prepare the shipping.
>
> Best,
>
> Amanda
> Customer Service
> Protean Terrarium Design
>
>> Amanda,
>>
>> Thank you very much for the great reply!
>>
>> On each tank 2 drill holes. One in the top for the misting assembly,
>> 5/8in. One hole in the back pane of glass, for the bulkhead, 1 1/8in.
>>
>> Attached is the drill diagram.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steven
 
Did i read that right, they will be billing you again for replacements. Since its a shipping error, you should not be paying for any replacements.
 
from what i read the OP stated he would only pay for the replacements out of the money he was being refunded.
 
sorry for the double post, forgot to put the quote in...

Also, I mentioned in my earlier e-mail that I would only pay you again for
> these new tanks from the refund money after I had received them.
>
> Thanks,
> Steven
 
You waited for an order that was 38 days late. You received a shipment of broken terrariums. Terrariums that, even in pristine condition, would have been sent back since the holes were drilled incorrectly. You were then sent a very polite and apologetic email, which was a stated attempt to keep you as a customer since "every loss effects our bottom line." I don't see how you can be satisfied by what was offered though, Steven. They can't even begin manufacturing your replacement terrariums for 2 weeks? It seems to me that since your order was placed before anything they are currently working on, you should be the first priority. Even worse, Amanda reneged on the previously agreed timetable and now you shouldn't expect to see those terrariums for at least 5 weeks. Sounds as though they're trying to avoid upsetting other customers by continuing to continuing to jerk you around.
 
I got this e-mail from Jason today, he sent it yesterday.


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Steven,

I'm just getting back from the shop. Amanda informed me that she received
an email from you today and replied to it. I want to give you a
correction on the time frame as she was not aware I have bumped you ahead
because of the situation with the breakage. I am actually starting your
order this weekend and it should be ready for shipping around 4/14/2011.

How is the insurance claim going on the original order? Remember you are
not responsible for covering the damaged terrariums, the insurance through
the carrier is.

Regards
jason.p
 
The e-mail in my post above is the latest one I have received. The following are e-mails I have sent to Protean after I got the last one.

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Jason,

Still haven't heard back from Estes. They have all the information they need.

-Steven

After I sent this e-mail I spoke with the shipping agent and he got back to me with a figure of 30-45 days from the date of the claim.

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Jason/Amanda,

I checked up on the shipping claim and they said it should take 30-45 days for it to process.

Thanks

-Steven

Today I sent them this e-mail.

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Jason/Amanda,

I was just checking in to see how things were progressing. The last e-mail I got from you said that the tanks should be finished by today.

Thanks,

Steven
 
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