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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

I got the same thing because I sent it as a "gift"

Send it in as an unauthorized activity. It goes through just fine then. :dgrin: Although technically no one accessed your account, I would think that the manner in which monies were taken and dealt with wasn't authorized per se.

My claim went through, we're waiting on their reply. If enough of us who sent money the first time do this, even if it's all denied someone's gotta say hey maybe we should look closer at these two. At this point, anything that causes them more grief is a good thing.
 
Does anybody know who the Wise's local internet server is? I am sure they would love to know what these people have been doing on their isp.
 
Send it in as an unauthorized activity. It goes through just fine then. :dgrin: Although technically no one accessed your account, I would think that the manner in which monies were taken and dealt with wasn't authorized per se.

My claim went through, we're waiting on their reply. If enough of us who sent money the first time do this, even if it's all denied someone's gotta say hey maybe we should look closer at these two. At this point, anything that causes them more grief is a good thing.

You can bet they are running more money through paypal than just what they stole here. It might raise enough flags that Paypal might contact the authorities.
 
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Donna, just an idea: You might consider posting a picture of the Wises when you post your list. That way, those who actually see them in person can

1) Be careful of any transactions the Wises might propose and
2) Convey how they feel about what the Wises have done.
 
Send it in as an unauthorized activity. It goes through just fine then. :dgrin: Although technically no one accessed your account, I would think that the manner in which monies were taken and dealt with wasn't authorized per se.

My claim went through, we're waiting on their reply. If enough of us who sent money the first time do this, even if it's all denied someone's gotta say hey maybe we should look closer at these two. At this point, anything that causes them more grief is a good thing.

Shadera's right. You can always file an unauthorized activity dispute no matter how the payment was made. I had to do this when my son added a bunch of services onto my GoDaddy account and $500 in surprise instant transfers hit my bank account. GoDaddy refunded everything immediately when I explained that my 8-year-old had done this, but the dispute did get PayPal's attention and they had no choice but to open a case for my claim. Definitely, everyone who sent money should be doing this...which raises another question in my mind:

What about the animals? Is there any way of getting back those unpaid critters that are in the Wises' possession (especially since it seems apparent that Christina, at least, is not a reptile person and just saw our community as a terrific scam opportunity)? I feel sorry for the Wises' kids, their animals, heck, for anything alive that has the misfortune to reside with them. If/when they take up residence in an establishment better suited to them (PRISON), the kids can go to live with relatives, but animals - especially reptiles - will be sent to shelters and rescue groups. If the Wises are running scams for diapers, how are they caring for these animals? What must their husbandry practices be, especially now that they are running scared? People here really CARE about the animals they sent to the Wises. They would beat the door down to get them back in order to ensure their health and safety (Jas, as one example, cares a LOT about his BPs even after they've left him). Maggie and Rick and their families are the most important victims here, but definitely not the only ones. :angry:
 
Ive spent about 40 minutes reading this thread and I was hoping that someone could post a Cliff Notes version of what has happened so far with this...I would really really like to know so I could possibly help in some way, but the 1500 posts are a LOT to read through. I totally understand if not, since all of you guys have read it all along, but I think it might get more people informed too. Thanks in advance, and good luck to all of you (minus the Wises of course). From what ive read thus far, my stomach hurts.
Aaron
 
Ive spent about 40 minutes reading this thread and I was hoping that someone could post a Cliff Notes version of what has happened so far with this...I would really really like to know so I could possibly help in some way, but the 1500 posts are a LOT to read through. I totally understand if not, since all of you guys have read it all along, but I think it might get more people informed too. Thanks in advance, and good luck to all of you (minus the Wises of course). From what ive read thus far, my stomach hurts.
Aaron

There is a short version just a couple of pages back :)
 
The Not So WISE Scam

In today’s electronic era forums are popping up all over the place to allow people with like interests and hobbies a place to meet. In many of those forums the members become like family. When one member is going through a hard time the community comes together to do what they can in order to make life a little easier. This is what happened on Fauna Classifieds. Chuck Kimmel, a long time member and family of the community, had a heart attack. The community came together and had auctions for his wife Maggie and their three children, Angelina (8), Annie (6) and Charlie (19 months). . Previous to Chuck’s heart attack and passing another family member of the community, Rick Morro tragically lost a daughter. The Morros’ had no insurance and the community also came together for Rick and his family to help with some of the added expenses.
These auctions were ran by Jeff and Christina Wise out of Flint, MI. Many members donated reptiles and reptile related items for other members to bid on with all proceeds supposed to be going to Chuck’s widow and their three children or to Rick’s family. The community raised thousands of dollars for their online family in their time of grief. All the proceeds of these auctions went directly into Christina Wise’s PayPal account under the name of Christina Horn. These funds were supposed to be transferred directly to Rick Morro and Maggie Kimmel. Christina did forward two payments of $800 into Maggie’s paypal and $440 into Rick’s account.
Christina and Jeff Wise started going on a shopping spree within the community making many of the members wonder if the money was going to the proper places. Because many people were questioning them Jeff Wise posted a list of all money collected and what money went to each person. The totals that were given to the community was $5453 going to Maggie and $908 going to Rick. Many members of the community feel these figures are low due to cash donations that went unreported. Even with these figures the Wise’s owe the Kimmel family $3853 and owe the Morro family $468.
A respected member of the community, David Gruning, took it upon himself to attempt to collect the rest of the money from the Wise’s without making it public knowledge. Christina Wise then produced a forged check and forged bank records as proof she paid Maggie an additional $3500. When David proved that this was forged and was unable to collect the money owed he made it public in the Fauna BOI. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...79622)*Warning members of the community are extremely shocked and outraged by Jeff and Christina Wise.
When it went public the Wise’s, in an attempt to justify their actions, first blamed it on a drug addiction and were going to allow David Gruning to pick up their animal collection to sell in order to come up with the funds. When David was on his way to pick up the collection Christina called him stating that she was advised by an attorney and the police not to give up any animals. Christina and Jeff Wise then started deleting everyone from Fauna from all of their social sites and closed their website(www.wisereptiles.com), trying to cover up their tracks. It was clear the families were not going to see their money without pursuing this further.
To add even further insult one of the $800 deposits into Maggie’s PayPal account is now being disputed by Christina’s bank. This has frozen Maggie’s PayPal account not allowing the community to send her donations directly. Maggie is needing these funds to assure she can work this summer to provide for her family. Rick was planning on using the rest of the donations for a headstone for his daughter’s grave.
The actions of these two individuals is inexcusable and immediate justice is needed.
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Has the FBI gotten involved or the bank fraud division or the police? Im sure its been said that this is Fraud and the amount is a felony...
and THANK YOU!! That really really helped...and still made me feel horrible. I cant believe that people would do things like this. There arnt words allowed on here that could even come close to describing how horrible these people are and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
 
In the field so it may heen mentioned, but wouldn't going through her bank to try claim on the $800 be federal fraudulant claim against an FDIC insured depository?

Any chase customers out there? Call branch managers. Chase has the money and resoiurces not available to some of us. We can use them to help us here.

Posting from phone, so, you know the hinderance here. LOL
 
Does anybody know who the Wise's local internet server is? I am sure they would love to know what these people have been doing on their isp.

I think one of the mods had posted a screenshot way back that listed their IP address. I tried searching for it, but I had no luck unfortunately.

Take the IP address, plug it into http://ws.arin.net/whois/ , and you should get the identity of the owner of that block of IP's.

I may be wrong, but I think someone had mentioned it was a Comcast address. Regardless of who owns that IP, most ISP's have rules against fraud/scamming/illegal behavior in their Terms of Service.
 
Something struck me as I was perusing the thread that Ed Clark started on them... one user made a comment (click on the blue arrow by the username to go view it in context):

They've posted PLENTY of other auctions on here trying to help out the families in need, Ed Clark, YOU are a total fauna lurker, if I've noticed the auctions, then I know you have also.:shrug01:

What is the substance (and amounts) involved in these "plenty of other auctions"?? Were they different PayPal addresses, were the full amounts passed on to the appropriate parties? Were these just more "warm-ups" for the big show? :shrug01:
 
For those of you that have been helping me in the background... .Thanks. I will be contacting some of you in the near future... send me what I ask for if you have it.

Everytime someone responds... my evidence and thus the case I am building for ya'll gets stronger.

Jeff and Christina... your time being free is limited.

In the meantime.... If you have not done so... file your complaint with the IC3 so you can add that to what I will be turning over to ya'll.
 
The only other auctions I know of was the fundraiser for the BOI... but I could be wrong. Jeff's been here since 2007 and I didnt join till late 2008
 
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