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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

I live in Kenosha WI... I think its around 6-7 hrs to Grand Blanc MI (Of course if I had a boat it'll take like an hour... just crossing the lake =p)

Iwas planning on doing some Flyers and drive over there.. but my work schedule wont let me... I have off wednesday.. I will try to have a lil trip ... we can try contacting the Kalamaso Reptile Show.. Im sure someone may know them..

Hey, I live in Madison, WI. There are two different ferries that go across the lake to Michigan, they take people and cars and pets. I googled it and found this link: http://neustravel.suite101.com/article.cfm/lake_michigan_car_ferries I also saw a sale ad for one of the ferrys, the SS Badger: http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx?gclid=CJqCn6S_9aECFQfxDAodOWdODw The trips take 4 hrs. with each ferry leaving from a different WI location and arriving at a different MI location. Don't know if the price is worth the time savings/gas savings or not. I am unable to drive due to chronic health crap, but I would be interested in going as I can certainly hold a sign, etc...
 
I was just talking about the auction on Fauna, I didn't know they were running scams, or running scams on multiple sites. So I really couldn't tell you. :shrug01:

I'm quite sure NO ONE knew they were running scams, that isn't the point... it just seemed like you were talking about "plenty of other auctions", even if it was on FC. I just wanted to make sure you were referring to THESE auctions, and not other ones that could potentially entail more people having been scammed...

The wording wasn't clear, just making sure all the "auctions" they did here are out in the open...
 
Many people have asked for a condensed version of the story to post on other places. I am not a journalist but I typed up an article that can be used and shared on whatever website, newspaper, bulletin board that will get the word out. If any body knows how to post a blog online and get more hits maybe we can figure out how to get it onto yahoo and aol top stories.
I will just do a copy and paste but if you want it emailed as an html or word document just let me know.


The Not So WISE Scam

In today’s electronic era forums are popping up all over the place to allow people with like interests and hobbies a place to meet. In many of those forums the members become like family. When one member is going through a hard time the community comes together to do what they can in order to make life a little easier. This is what happened on Fauna Classifieds. Chuck Kimmel, a long time member and family of the community, had a heart attack. The community came together and had auctions for his wife Maggie and their three children, Angelina (8), Annie (6) and Charlie (19 months). . Previous to Chuck’s heart attack and passing another family member of the community, Rick Morro tragically lost a daughter. The Morros’ had no insurance and the community also came together for Rick and his family to help with some of the added expenses.
These auctions were ran by Jeff and Christina Wise out of Flint, MI. Many members donated reptiles and reptile related items for other members to bid on with all proceeds supposed to be going to Chuck’s widow and their three children or to Rick’s family. The community raised thousands of dollars for their online family in their time of grief. All the proceeds of these auctions went directly into Christina Wise’s PayPal account under the name of Christina Horn. These funds were supposed to be transferred directly to Rick Morro and Maggie Kimmel. Christina did forward two payments of $800 into Maggie’s paypal and $440 into Rick’s account.
Christina and Jeff Wise started going on a shopping spree within the community making many of the members wonder if the money was going to the proper places. Because many people were questioning them Jeff Wise posted a list of all money collected and what money went to each person. The totals that were given to the community was $5453 going to Maggie and $908 going to Rick. Many members of the community feel these figures are low due to cash donations that went unreported. Even with these figures the Wise’s owe the Kimmel family $3853 and owe the Morro family $468.
A respected member of the community, David Gruning, took it upon himself to attempt to collect the rest of the money from the Wise’s without making it public knowledge. Christina Wise then produced a forged check and forged bank records as proof she paid Maggie an additional $3500. When David proved that this was forged and was unable to collect the money owed he made it public in the Fauna BOI. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179622)*Warning members of the community are extremely shocked and outraged by Jeff and Christina Wise.
When it went public the Wise’s, in an attempt to justify their actions, first blamed it on a drug addiction and were going to allow David Gruning to pick up their animal collection to sell in order to come up with the funds. When David was on his way to pick up the collection Christina called him stating that she was advised by an attorney and the police not to give up any animals. Christina and Jeff Wise then started deleting everyone from Fauna from all of their social sites and closed their website(www.wisereptiles.com), trying to cover up their tracks. It was clear the families were not going to see their money without pursuing this further.
To add even further insult one of the $800 deposits into Maggie’s PayPal account is now being disputed by Christina’s bank. This has frozen Maggie’s PayPal account not allowing the community to send her donations directly. Maggie is needing these funds to assure she can work this summer to provide for her family. Rick was planning on using the rest of the donations for a headstone for his daughter’s grave.
The actions of these two individuals is inexcusable and immediate justice is needed.

Thanks for the summarizing this whole unbelievable mess. I have posted it on my blog, also.
 
to those of you filing paypal disputes.... if they try and come back and say it was a gift... I have proof to dispute that.

I am still working on building a case for ya.... and its getting better and better all the time.

Dand... will you be able to call me sometime on Monday? I should have enough put together by then that we will have something to hang em with.
 
to those of you filing paypal disputes.... if they try and come back and say it was a gift... I have proof to dispute that.

I am still working on building a case for ya.... and its getting better and better all the time.

Dand... will you be able to call me sometime on Monday? I should have enough put together by then that we will have something to hang em with.

Thank you Kevin and DAND!!! Is Maggie ok today? Don't think I have seen her post yet today.
 
Well I have finishing going over the pay-pal numbers (finally) (I'll attach the numbers after I go over them one more time after I take a break from all this sitting).

She claimed to following:



She claimed the above numbers totaling $6,361 were the amounts collected prior to the fees being removed. My numbers show that there was $6,786.62 collected after the fees were assessed, which is an additional $425.62 dollars these two have pocketed.

Since Dand already has some of what I have been requesting from ya'll ... I will talk to him and get this info combined with what I have.
 
Apparently Jeff and Christina reported my facebook group....it has been removed.....however....Facebook cannot restrict me from posting the WEBSITE I am designing to help expose these two!

From Facebook: The group "SCAMMERS Jeff and Christina Marie Wise (Christina Horn) Wisereptiles" has been removed because it violated our Terms of Use. Among other things, groups that are hateful, threatening, or obscene are not allowed. We also take down groups that attack an individual or group, or advertise a product or service. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in your account being disabled.
 
Apparently Jeff and Christina reported my facebook group....it has been removed.....however....Facebook cannot restrict me from posting the WEBSITE I am designing to help expose these two!

From Facebook: The group "SCAMMERS Jeff and Christina Marie Wise (Christina Horn) Wisereptiles" has been removed because it violated our Terms of Use. Among other things, groups that are hateful, threatening, or obscene are not allowed. We also take down groups that attack an individual or group, or advertise a product or service. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in your account being disabled.

Wow....too bad! Let us know when your site is done! :D
 
Had anyone heard if any of the legal (cops, FBI, etc) have done anything? Or newspapers or news stations? I know everyone and everything has been notified, but what I wanna know is if the law has taken any action?
 
Apparently Jeff and Christina reported my facebook group....it has been removed.....however....Facebook cannot restrict me from posting the WEBSITE I am designing to help expose these two!

From Facebook: The group "SCAMMERS Jeff and Christina Marie Wise (Christina Horn) Wisereptiles" has been removed because it violated our Terms of Use. Among other things, groups that are hateful, threatening, or obscene are not allowed. We also take down groups that attack an individual or group, or advertise a product or service. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in your account being disabled.

I am surprised they haven't removed the picture i posted of the two or the link explaining what they've done from my facebook page.
 
The problem might of came about with the posting of their address and some things that were conceivable threats. I understand how everyone feels as I am also extremely upset.

We might get further as a community if we show our most professional side in this matter. A news channel or newspaper is not going to help us if we look like a group out for revenge. If we however tell our story in a professional way we might get better results. This is a story a lot of papers and news channels will run with if it is because we need action taken and not revenge.

This is just my .02. It is ok to be upset but let's take a more proffessional tone with our outside communications.
 
A member pointed out something I had not thought of......

"Kimberly, I know that you mean well, but be careful that a bunch of people don't take this as your using this situation with the Wise's to try to promote your own website. Jeff Wise did that with Chuck's death to start up his message board, so right now people are going to be real sensitive, possibly overly so, about people trying to take advantage of any situation for their own gain."

I think they may be right, and I certainly would not to be seen in this light. So for this reason, I won't be building the website. I think we can all help in other areas. :yesnod:
 
The problem might of came about with the posting of their address and some things that were conceivable threats. I understand how everyone feels as I am also extremely upset.

We might get further as a community if we show our most professional side in this matter. A news channel or newspaper is not going to help us if we look like a group out for revenge. If we however tell our story in a professional way we might get better results. This is a story a lot of papers and news channels will run with if it is because we need action taken and not revenge.

This is just my .02. It is ok to be upset but let's take a more proffessional tone with our outside communications.

Exactly!!!

Don't take offense, but our hobby isn't everyone's cup of tea, as we know.

Most people already view herpers as whack-jobs. Unless we show them we 're just as mature and professional as they are, they're not going to give us the time of day!!

That means that if we speak to them, no cursing and swearing-no matter how angry we are.

If we have to meet with someone, dress professionally and act the part of a responsible citizen trying to help a fellow citizen.

No herper shirts, etc. Trim that belly-long beard or those winter leg hairs. Cover your tats and take those extra earrings out. Dress as though you're appearing in court to act as a character witness for your grandmother.

If possible, write out a brief statement of what you have to say and practice it in front of your mirror, so you're not saying-"um', "uh", "like", "ya know", etc. And take your statement with you. There's nothing wrong with having "notes" in front of you when you meet with someone. If the President can use a tele-prompter, nobody's gonna blame you for having notes.

You have ONE chance to come across as a professional, and it may just help Maggie AND put herpers in a GOOD LIGHT.
 
I know some people don't read all of the post's. I thought I would put this back up. I did post it earlier, but if you missed it, here it is again. I spoke to the reporter who did the story on the Wise's wedding. She said if they were arrested that she would do a story. I don't know if anyone else has called to speak with her. Here is her number again, and I hope you call her.
810-766-6310 is her number and her name is Laura.
 
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