JeffB apparently doesn't like me having KINGSNAKES.COM...

[John Albrecht]

Has anybody thought of this?

Seems to me, in my ignorance of course, that if Jeff B only sells services to the herp community via Kingsnake.com and Rich Z is actually in the business of selling snakes, then Rich should have a better chance of taking Kingsnake.com away from Jeff than Jeff has of taking Kingsnakes.com away from Rich.

I also think that if it's true that Jeff is the nervous type then he should be pretty much having a nervous breakdown about now considering the possibility of this backfiring on him. I also doubt he has the $$$$'s to pursue this very aggressively legally and he was probably advised to try arbitration as a safe alternative.

It truly is a shame that all this has happened. But it seems that this type of conflict is often a part of success. Jeff B and Rich Z are big boys in our herp world and the big boys have the bigger battles. At least one of those guys can't stand the thought of potential competition and I'm sure that Rich is just the largest target at the moment. But you can bet your sphincter that if Jeff somehow miraculously managed to sideline Rich that he would soon find himself at odds with the next biggest in line.

Take heart though, I seriously doubt Jeff B has any chance at all overall and I actually expect Kingsnake.com to ultimately implode.
And to help it along I have vowed I won't purchase from any ads posted on Kingsnake.com. I just can't support that kind of crap or anybody who does.

 

[John Albrecht]

One other thing....

Rich, I think that it would be a good idea if every time someone types in the word "bleep" that you substitute it with "JeffB".

 

[Adam Block]

we run a No haggle No hassle lot.

Yes Alex, I know the drill. You tack on $500-$1,500 and call it invoice. Then when you sell the car to some fool and say you're loosing money selling it under invoice what you really mean is with no hassle and no haggle you've just made $1,450.

The truck Rich wanted for the wife was in the 30k-40k-price range even at my cost..

Maybe you should read what Rich said. He said he had hopes the bid amount would get high so he could buy his wife a nicer truck. That left us thinking we were looking at a $8,000-$14,000 truck. Rich said nothing about kicking in another $30,000 of his own.

The auction was put up with the understanding that if my offer was beaten

Just because I owned a car lot doesn't make me stupid Alex! This applies given we know the res price Rich set on the auction. I assumed he wouldn't tell us because it was set at say $150,000! That fact would shed a different light on the auction and your above statement as Rich I'm sure made it so nobody else could even have a chance of winning.

Yes, Adam, you are right. It is no one else's business.

You started this post Rich, kind of funny you don't want to be forthcoming with the details. But heck, as you've said so many times, it is your site right. I mean, why should you have to follow the same rules the rest of us do?

Hell, fact is that if this is your site and you can have a set of rules for yourself and one for everybody else then why can't Jeff?

Rich, anytime somebody points that out you gripe about how the BOI isn't worth the trouble so if you can do this or that to help offset that you will. Well, honestly, either shut up with that garbage or stop whining and shut it down! Because honestly, a lot of people give you their time and you seem to have lost respect for that time.

<b>1) Somebody may have REALLY wanted that domain and started selling their reptiles or even a car to bid higher on it.

2) If you already had it sold you had no respect for any of our time!</b>

Here's your ad for the auction, doesn't really match any of what you're saying!

KINGSNAKES.COM - on the auction block! <p>
Yeah, I think I have gotten enough laugh mileage at this, but <b>when someone made me a very attractive offer for the domain name</b>, it got me thinking that maybe I should turn it loose and <b>let someone else</b> really DO something with that domain name.

<b>No telling what someone could do with it if they really put their mind to it</b>, and I'm way too busy with this other stuff to even think about it myself.

So I put it up on ReptiBid yesterday to see what would happen. The reserve price is REAL stiff, but <b>I'm not at all inclined to sell KINGSNAKES.COM</b> unless I can get some real money for it. One of the few things I have of value that doesn't need to be fed.

Anyway, take a look, and if you have the money, think about it. Could be a very fast track to getting your website on the radar that would take you a LOT of time and money to do otherwise.

Yeah okay that really fits what you're telling us. You let the world know in a of topic post because it's your site and you don't have to follow the rules cause the BOI doesn't make you enough money that you're not inclined to sell it even though it's already sold?

You won't tell us the res price cause I'm sure it'll make you look stupid and this wasn't done to tweak Jeff.

RIGHT!!!

 

[Roger Jolly]

Adam, my brain boggles at the thought that you have managed to live this long without someone tracking you down and strangling the life out of you. That is all I will say on this matter, as many people probably understand what I am talking about.

John, in some ways I think you are correct. Once you get into court, there is a lot of jeopardy involved in a claim that is completely baseless and filed in bad faith. JeffB would have a tough time proving against an aggressive defending attorney retained by Rich that this was not all done with the intent to harrass and to have no other purpose but place a financial loss and burden upon him. I think the term is punitive damages, is it not???

Look at the damages that could be listed as having accumulated against webslave.

1) Attempt to eliminate this site as competition by not allowing people to discuss this site on his ks.

2) Damage webslaves corn snake selling business by refusing to carry his link (wasn't it stated in another thread somewhere here that in order to be legitimate you have to be listed on kingsnake.com???)

3) Damage the value of domain names being reserved as investments. Lets face it, would you buy or lease a domain name that could not be typed into the forums at ks???

4) Damage of the reputation of webslaves serpenco business by implication of wrongdoing by being banned from ks. Look at it this way. If someone Joe asks who the best corn snake breeders around are, and someone replies with 'Check out abc.com, def.com and ghi.com', only to see 'Check out abc.com, [bleep], and ghi.com', how many people are going to assume bad implications in relation to that business??? Isn't Jeffie generating a lot of bad will with this type of action? And the justification for him doing this was what again??? Oh yeah. He wouldn't delete Adam's thread on this site. Wow.

5) Damage to webslave in the loss of the sale of kingsnakes.com. I think he could make a case claiming he reserve amount, since the auction was killed prematurely by the action that Jeffie filed.

6) Any expenses associated with the defense of the arbitration action trying to protect his legal and righful ownership of kingsnakes.com.

Question is, will Rich (webslave) pursue this? What sort of collateral damage will ensue? Remember when JoeP filed that lawsuit against Jeffie??? What did Jeffie do? Why he shut down all of his forums and displayed the lawsuit instead. This was a blatant attempt to get people mad at Joe Polanco. What do you think he would do if he got served with a lawsuit from Rich??? I suspect he might shut his entire site down and do the same thing to try to generate a storm of protest against what Rich had initiated. What happens if your business completely relies on Jeffie to survive? Rumor has it that Jeffie has offered kingsnake.com for sale for years. There were no takers. Maybe he is taking the suicidal way out, but first salting the fields before the new owner takes over. Are the wholesale bannings still taking place over there??? What's the purpose for that? Is Jeffie so emotional over this feud that he does not realize what he is doing and the legal quagmire he may have stepped into???

What would Rich have to spend in order to file his own lawsuit? Jeffie would have no real defense. And just what is kingsnake.com worth??? Minus all the overhead on people that would no longer be needed to work there if a new owner only wanted to use it for a cash cow. The money spent on filing the lawsuit would probably be a real good investment. My guess is that the lawsuit is probably being withheld as a defensive weapon. There is probably some reluctance on Richs part to appear to be the bad guy by initiating something like this. But you know what? I don't remember ever really seeing webslave get really angry. Maybe this is all still just a game to him. He may not even be going to dispute that kingsnakes.com thing at all, for all we know. I mean, why bother??? Jeffies having it would be like Jeffie having a syphilis chancre on his nose. People will always be talking about it behind his back thinking about how ugly the whole thing was. But it was fun dancing with that whore that night, wasn't it Jeffie???

Hmmm, maybe I should open up my own website like this and hope like hell that Jeffie pulls the same thing on me. I like the odds that would be in the court room, and I am not worried about appearing to be a bad guy. Not when it comes to money, eh guys??? I mean, business is business. Right???

Oh yeah, these are all my speculations and opinions. Wouldn't want Jeffie to sic his brother on me too.

 

[jenn_jeffery]

Maybe you should read what Rich said. He said he had hopes the bid amount would get high so he could buy his wife a nicer truck. That left us thinking we were looking at a $8,000-$14,000 truck. Rich said nothing about kicking in another $30,000 of his own.

Umm, no, not really Adam, not if you can read.....

I have been promising my wife a Chevy Silverado pickup truck for years now. Anything I get on that auction will be going towards my fulfilling that promise to her. So I am just trying to use a joke and an unusual turn of events, to make one good deed pay for another.

posted by Webslave earlier, in the first couple of pages somewhere...

 

[Darin Chappell]

Adam, you wrote:

"...He said he had hopes the bid amount would get high so he could buy his wife a nicer truck."

OK, Adam, try to follow along with me here. I have 30K I have set aside to buy a truck for my wife. I would LIKE to be able to get her a 45K truck, but I haven't the funds. I know! I'll auction off a domain name I have laying around to raise the other 15K! Then I'll write to everyone, "I hope the bids get high so I can buy my wife a nicer truck," implying that, with the help of the auction proceeds, I can then buy her a nicer truck than I could without the proceeds.

Sound reasonable???? Yep, it does to me.

You are intelligent enough to know that you cannot flatly accuse someone who is known for telling you what he thinks (whether you want to hear it or not) of being deceitful, unless you have a rock-solid set of proofs to support your assertions, Adam. Really, how were you hurt by any of this? If you were not, and neither was any one else? Why bother with your tirades?

Finally, you wrote:

"That left us thinking ..."

Unless you have a mouse in your pocket, Adam, you really ought to lay of the "us" talk. Some of us understood what was going on from the very beginning of the auction. I thought it was rather clear what Rich intended to do with the auction. In fact, the only part I didn't understand was who it was, exactly that was the initial high bidder.

This is truly a tempest in a teapot, Adam. Not terribly Machiavellian of you, Sir.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Adam,

It makes no difference what the reserve price was. That is Rich's prerogative. I just had an auction the same time period for one of my domains www.ballpythonmorphs.net I have for sale. I did not get a winner on it probably because I had a high reserve price on it. When people would e-mail and ask I would tell them which probably made them not Bid. I had a reserve price of $5000.00 on it. Rich could have put a $1 million reserve on it and it would not make a difference. If someone had bid higher than the $7700.00 high bid he could have chose to sell it to that person at the end of the auction no matter what his reserve was. It was his Auction and he chose to keep the reserve high as to not loose anything and there is nothing wrong with that thinking.

 

[Chris Eaton]

for adam

i dont normally post on here unless it really gets to me so once again, im gonna say what everyone wants to say :

Adam, you're a dick.

 

[WebSlave]

LOL! Adam, you kill me. Where do you come up with your ideas? And when did you turn into Ms Cleo and feel you have the power to read my own mind?

And who exactly appointed you as the middle man in any of my financial affairs?

Do you want to know how much in trade value for those animals I paid for KINGSNAKES.COM?? Nearly $10K. Why do you think I was real reluctant to just forgive the debt without getting at least something in return? Even at that, John Organiscak was still reluctant to give up the domain name. Would I have paid that amount outright to get that domain name? Hell NO!! But things just worked out the way they did. But if I can turn that doman name into cash in the pocket, even at a profit, since when is this something that is unAmerican or contrary to what any business person on this site would do as well? Ours is a society based on Capitalism. So IF I could have gotten more for that domain name, with Alex Hue's approval and agreement about all this, then what exactly is it to you? As far as I knew when I started that auction I had nothing to lose, but possibly everything to gain from it. Alex felt the risk of losing out to a higher bidder was worth the advertising and exposure it would get if no one matched the price he already offered for it.

So I am supposed to purposely make the reserve price low enough so that someone could buy the domain name at a price they wanted to pay for it? Says who? As far as I know, the world just doesn't work like that. At least not in the one I live in.

If I come over to your world, can I call the local Humvee dealer and tell him he HAS to lower the price to what I want to pay? Bcause it's not fair nor honest of him otherwise? I walked onto the showroom floor not realizing how much those things cost! How grossly unfair.......

As far as the fact that Alex is part owner in car dealerships, so what? I'm not driving up to Michigan in the Winter for anyone or any reason. Even meeting him halfway would mean about a 12 hour drive. So why would this be preferrable to my just getting the cash, buying a vehicle here in north Florida where I could look over the options at my leisure?

On one hand I am laughing my arse off at your statements, but on the other hand I am at risk of having to give myself warning points.......

 

[rtdunham]

funniest thing i've heard...

I don't know how to email you personally, Darin, so i have to let you know in this way:

after a poster wrote,

""That left us thinking ..."

you wrote,

"Unless you have a mouse in your pocket,...you really ought to lay of the "us" talk"

Darin, in the sea of emotion that's flooding this thread, that was a welcome respite. Not because it addressed adam: it was just one of the cleverest retorts i've run across period. Maybe it's a well-known one, but i'd not run across it before. Trust that I'll be keeping it in MY pocket for the right time to use...

thanks!
terry

 

[rtdunham]

yet even funnier?

so right after i award the "funniest" prize, rich comes up with:

"I am at risk of having to give myself warning points......."

this is better than a robin williams concert! cut the crap out of these threads, leave in the humor, and i'd pay to view!

peace
terry

 

[Darin Chappell]

Terry,

Well, the saying certainly is not original to me, and I'm sure that most folks have heard it used over the last several years, but I appreciate the kind words. Bonus points to you for using the term "respite" correctly in a sentence!

 

[rtdunham]

well hey, what about...

hey, what about "retort"? I was on a real high-falutin roll there...
terry dunham

 

[Hues1]

Oh Adam...

you truly show your ignorance...although this has nothing to do with this thread in particular and I do apologize.....

Yes Alex, I know the drill. You tack on $500-$1,500 and call it invoice. Then when you sell the car to some fool and say you're loosing money selling it under invoice what you really mean is with no hassle and no haggle you've just made $1,450.

Apparently you dont know "the drill", when operating a No Haggle No Hassle dealership.....we disclose everyone and give copies of the actual INVOICE.
And when I say everything...I mean Mfgr's rebates, dealer cash,H/B, and any other incentives.
In another words...we disclose the dead nuts cost of our autos and set the pricing across the board for everyone based on the above programs.

Adam.....dont bother trying to think up something to reply with as I am done with converting this to yet another Adam Block is a.....(name calling).....thread as its pretty obvious that you're either very illiterate, have a very wild imagination, thinks everyone else in the world cant see in black white what you see in beautiful shades of the rainbow, and last but not least...if you can think it up.....then it must be true.

 

[HerpVenue]

Yes Alex, I know the drill. You tack on $500-$1,500 and call it invoice. Then when you sell the car to some fool and say you're loosing money selling it under invoice what you really mean is with no hassle and no haggle you've just made $1,450.
.

Apperantly Mister know it all Adam who knows everything and NEVER EVER lies about anything.....he knows it all. NOT !!!

Adam, a normal car dealership operates the way you stated.
A no hassle no haggle lot does not operate that way.
Perhaps you should visit one someday. There is one right there in Columbia south Carolina if my memory serves me correctly.

1) Somebody may have REALLY wanted that domain and started selling their reptiles or even a car to bid higher on it.

That is great adam. Your powers of observation are really sharp.
And if the person would have met or beat the reserve price........they would have won the auction...they would have owned kingsnakes.com

2) If you already had it sold you had no respect for any of our time!

perhaps you should read again adam......it was not totally sold. They already agreed that it would go to the person who met or beat the reserve price. And if no one won. It would go to Alex.
aA little reading before you reply would be in order.

You won't tell us the res price cause I'm sure it'll make you look stupid and this wasn't done to tweak Jeff.

RIGHT!!!

OOOOHHHH OOOHHH I got a beautiful response for this.
You won't tell us what really happened to that albino ball python that you TOTALLY LIED about. Because it will make you look STUPID


all of a sudden adam wants everyone to disclose things they really do not have to disclose.......But yet he does not disclose things himself.



I weas gonna stay out of this thread......
But I see adam is once again doing the old......Do as he says but not as he does.

KINGSNAKES.COM - on the auction block!

Yeah, I think I have gotten enough laugh mileage at this, but when someone made me a very attractive offer for the domain name, it got me thinking that maybe I should turn it loose and let someone else really DO something with that domain name.

No telling what someone could do with it if they really put their mind to it, and I'm way too busy with this other stuff to even think about it myself.

So I put it up on ReptiBid yesterday to see what would happen. The reserve price is REAL stiff, but I'm not at all inclined to sell KINGSNAKES.COM unless I can get some real money for it. One of the few things I have of value that doesn't need to be fed.

Anyway, take a look, and if you have the money, think about it. Could be a very fast track to getting your website on the radar that would take you a LOT of time and money to do otherwise.

Hey adam,
what part of that post is hard for you to understand?
Like the man said......he is not inclined to sell it unless he can get some money for it? I can't believe you can't understand that part.
English is my second language and it made perfect sense to me.


Go away BLOCKHEAD liars are not wanted around here.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Yes...Adam is a true "legend in his own mind". A Machiavelian puppetmaster extrordinaire who only manages to consistently outwit himself.

It's always amusing to see people like him confuse the fact that they can put a cogent sentance together with the fact that they are actually intelligent enough to have anything worthwhile to say.

In the words of a particularly wise and erudite man who posted a pearl of wisdom earlier... Adam...you are a D***!

 

[RichH]

After somewhat following this thread off and on over the past few days I have come to realize that Jeff Barringer has truely developed quite a site. Jeff's business has not only become his personal success but one that apparently has led many others toward some nice monetary gains as well.

Not only do I believe Jeff has every right to run his business the way he so chooses but Rich Z as well in asking whatever he wants for the domain Kingsnakes.com. If Kingsnake.com was not doing very well this domain issue would never have raised an eyebrow. The market will always justify demand which in turn dictates what one will pay for goods or services.

Get what you can for the domain as Jeff should not worry much at all. This thread has become free advertisement for Kingsnake.com. Looks like a win/win for everybody.

Things like this should never get so personal. Its just business, something that has made this country so great. The freedom to run your business the way you want.

Rich Hebron

 

[Dragondad]

forgive me

This may have been covered previously or Rich and Alex can say none of your business..


Has the web site been sold? Since the deal was basically struck prior to the auction have the actions of Jeff B stopped it totally or is it now transfered to Alexs stable of sites.

And still waiting Alex for that car deal, have to buy one this weekend anyway might as well see what you have??

 

[Hues1]

"Has the web site been sold? Since the deal was basically struck prior to the auction have the actions of Jeff B stopped it totally or is it now transfered to Alexs stable of sites"


Everything is currently at a halt because if the arbitration.

as for cars....call me or shoot me over a e-mail

 

[aimee_s]

just curious...

sorry if i'm getting this information wrong from what i've read so far....

but... did JeffB ban WebSlave from Kingsnake? And then WebSlave ended up having a kingsnakes.com address? and then JeffB got paranoid and complained?

how did you get banned from Kingsnake?

i'm still new to both websites so i don't even know what's going on - but i'm so curious!

[aimEe]