JeffB apparently doesn't like me having KINGSNAKES.COM...

[Adam Block]

Adam, my brain boggles at the thought that you have managed to live this long without someone tracking you down and strangling the life out of you.

I welcome you to be the first It would be nice to get some of my stress out on the Jolly man, to be within the law doing it would be all that much sweeter. If you need the address shoot me an email.

And who exactly appointed you as the middle man in any of my financial affairs?

Um Rich, I asked what the res was. Don't really care about the rest of your money issues.

So I am supposed to purposely make the reserve price low enough so that someone could buy the domain name at a price they wanted to pay for it? Says who?

I have to side with Rich here, who says? I think he can ask whatever he wants personally! Rich, who said you couldn't ask what you wanted?

If I come over to your world, can I call the local Humvee dealer and tell him he HAS to lower the price to what I want to pay?

Who's world are you talking about Rich? It almost sounds like me but I didn't have an issue with your price so I know it isn't me. I asked what the res was set at... As a side note H2's are for soccer moms, if you own one, you're a dork!

I had a reserve price of $5000.00 on it.

For a .net domain name? Are you INSANE!!!! LOL, I think you'll be hanging onto that for awhile!

Ritchie Luna

Go funk yourself! You know, you're a coward, never have the balls to do anything proactive if you can't do it behind a keyboard so funk off!

Adam, you're a dick.

I've been called a lot of things here. FINALLY, somebody seems to know me! Nice call Chris! I see you've been talking to my friends. However, I'm also a huge @$$ hole, Prick, Rude, Talk too much and a few other choice words I can't really say in here.

<b>Conclusions I've come to</b>

1) Jeff B is doing fine, nothing anybody else in his shoes wouldn't do and I was an idiot for acting as childish as I did about my dealing with him. If I could do it over, I would but I can't so I'll just tell you now Jeff, I'm sorry. You're going to need good luck in getting that domain from Rich but I wish it to you!

My thoughts are that he's been funking with you this whole time and I'd get a kick out of seeing you enjoy that site after Rich pulled what I feel like he just did.

2) Jason, I'm sorry for giving you so much crap. Seems few people have the guts it takes to step off the line and you have them. I don't much like you or agree with you on many things but I'm starting to think you had some valid points so I'm sorry to you as well. You're one of the only other guys I know who will come he and say what he wants even if he's getting blasted!

3) People love to have their ears tickled! Love to be part of the majority! Well, I guess 50,000 years of evoloution keeps people from being an individual!


Flame on, not like a give a chit anymore.

PS Maybe I have finally lost it.. I knew I was close, I feel more sain now then ever but maybe that's cause I fell off. LOL Ahhhhhh how nice to be crazy, sorta has a freeing effect you know. Oh, no, I guess you wouldn't.

 

[WebSlave]

Yeah, Adam, tell aimee how I got banned over at kingsnake.com. Maybe this thread will help refresh your memory:

Having Trouble with kingsnake.com thread...

To be perfectly frank, if I had had a crystal ball the day JeffB called me on the phone about that thread, and I could have foreseen all of the trouble you have caused for me and on this site since then, I have SERIOUS doubts I could have followed the same path I did that day.

 

[sychoram]

LOL! I come over to your world, can I call the local Humvee dealer and tell him he HAS to lower the price to what I want to pay?

No but atleast when you go to negotiate with the Humvee dealer you know what his asking price is.

Here goes, I have a buyer for my pet store, nice price, he agrees to let me list it on the auction, gonna set the reserve so I can make sure he wins.... sounds ethical to me.

P.s Adam is still a moron

 

[aimee_s]

replying 2 webslave

Yeah, Adam, tell aimee how I got banned over at kingsnake.com. Maybe this thread will help refresh your memory:

Having Trouble with kingsnake.com thread...

To be perfectly frank, if I had had a crystal ball the day JeffB called me on the phone about that thread, and I could have foreseen all of the trouble you have caused for me and on this site since then, I have SERIOUS doubts I could have followed the same path I did that day.

so you got banned because you were in a similar situation as adam? or he asked for help? hehe... i'm still reading through the 1st page.

it's interesting stuff i never thought of before.

[aimEe]

 

[WebSlave]

No Aimee. I think that thread will be pretty clear as to what happened, but honestly it has been a long time since I read it.

Adam - sorry that you have gotten so upset with me for deleting that foul mouthed post you made against JeffB. Amazing how quickly you can polarize from one side to another at the drop of a hat.

But remember a while back you were all concerned about trying to come up with a way to help me make some money off of this site? Charging that flat fee you suggested wouldn't work, as I explained them. Anyway I think I may have come up with a workable plan. It is not appropriate for this thread, but I want to catch your attention here and direct you on over the the FaunaClassieds Feedback Forum so you can participate in the discussion I hope to start up there. You can participate at least for a little while..

 

[DThomas]

You won't tell us the res price cause I'm sure it'll make you look stupid and this wasn't done to tweak Jeff.

Maybe if you re-read the posts its not really that hard to figure out. Maybe Rich set the reserve price at the amount Alex offered him. That way if the reserve was meet it was sold, for atleast the price Alex had offered, to the high bidder. Rich still gets the generous amount of money for the domain and anyone could have won it. Sounds very ethical to me.

 

[Adam Block]

<b>Yeah, Adam, tell aimee how I got banned over at kingsnake.com.</b>

To be perfectly frank, if I had had a crystal ball the day JeffB called me on the phone about that thread, and <b>I could have foreseen all of the trouble you have caused for me</b> and on this site since then, I have SERIOUS doubts I could have followed the same path I did that day.

Seemed to me you made a choice based on your own morals and the stance with the BOI that you weren't going to be bullied by lawsuits or threats into removing threads.

Your above post really undermines what you always say about the BOI. Are you telling us now that you would delete bad guy posts but only if it suited you from a money standpoint?

But hey, why be held accountable when you can say you got in this spot with Jeff for me right? Human nature is a beach sometimes.

Rich, I've watched you and this site for years. I went from not liking you as a snake breeder to having a lot of respect for you and your views as a person.

I HAVE NEVER, seen a poorly written post from you, I have MAYBE seen two mis-spelled words and many times have ONLY read your posts in a thread. They have always made me think or see something I didn't see before. So when you say:

Amazing how quickly you can polarize from one side to another at the drop of a hat.

This is untrue, if you emailed me asking for help with something, it would be done provided I could do it. Anything you've said to me in the last 6-9 months via email or PM I would NEVER go so low as to post in here.

I have respect for you however:

1) I felt what you did with Ritchie was out of line. I don't know the workings of your relationship with him but I don't think you kept your pet on a close enough leash. As he said with Neil, his gut was wrong and that wasn't the only time by any means. He's caused honest people a lot of trouble when his gut's been wrong and it's something YOU allowed.

2) I don't think because you own this site you can do as you please just as I don't think Jeff can. I think at this point you have a responsibility to the users of this site to toe the line just as you expect us to.

3) I don't know what's going on here with Alex and you and this auction but I don't like it. Your actions effect others, I find it very selfish to post an auction that others may or may not have a chance to win depending on the res you put on it so Alex could take it for a "test drive" at the expence of others.

I don't live my life based on money; sometimes it's about what's right and standing up for that. That's what you seemingly had done with Jeff and that's just what we all need to do sometimes.

sorry that you have gotten so upset with me for deleting that foul-mouthed post you made against JeffB

Nothing could be further from my mind. I thought it would be full of bleeps, didn't know the words that got through would and I'm sorry for that post. I keep hard feelings until I go to bed, that was a few days ago and it was forgotten before morning. If you recall the post even said I was willing to take the points from it.

As for the money, I think you should charge for this site. The time, work and energy you put into it is worth a lot. Screw helping people, first and foremost you have a wife, if you're going to take time away from her to run this site you should make money. If people don't wanna pay to use it, FUNK them!

My honest feeling, is that you are being played like a fool with this site! You have maybe 20-30 people here that are your true friends and would pay to use the site. I think the others would blow away in the wind if you charged. I get the feeling you already know this though.

Sometimes, life just sucks. The only thing I can tell you all to make us both feel better, is that I have to live my own life. That should be punishment enough in your minds to feel a little better about me and that's freedom enough in mine to be overjoyed I'm nobody else.

As a person, I'm a total prick and extreemly blunt. I guess the time for me to take off that mask is long overdue.

 

[WebSlave]

3) I don't know what's going on here with Alex and you and this auction but I don't like it. Your actions effect others, I find it very selfish to post an auction that others may or may not have a chance to win depending on the res you put on it so Alex could take it for a "test drive" at the expence of others.

Quite frankly, I didn't put that auction up with the intention of anyone liking or disliking it. I put it up there to get INTEREST and ATTENTION.

Affect others? In what way? If someone had illusions of getting KINGSNAKES.COM for $1,500 then they were living in a fantasy world anyway. I have stated in a previous message what the trade value on those animals for the domain name was. Do you really think the reserve price was less than that? So even at $10K, just how many people do you think would have bid even that high for it? Auctions priced outside the reach of most people happen all of the time. Lord, I have bid on more guns than I could ever remember that I never reached the reserve price. It's just part of the way the system works. You bid as high as you can afford, then if you still haven't reached the reserve price, you stop. It's not rocket science. And you don't lose sleep over it either. Did the seller already have it sold to someone? How the hell do I know? And why should I care? I didn't meet the price, so that was that.

Anyway, in my opinion, the auction was entirely reasonable based on all of the facts I had available concerning it. And I have absolutely no regrets over my choice in how to run it. Anyone else that does have problems with it will just have to get over it.

 

[HerpVenue]

My thoughts are that he's been funking with you this whole time and I'd get a kick out of seeing you enjoy that site after Rich pulled what I feel like he just did.
Who is funking with whom?
Last time I checked.....Webslave got banned from kingsnake because of Adam. I guess Adam has a short term memory. Wonder what really happened to that ball python. We will never know.....his short term memory has short circuits in it.

Flame on, not like a give a chit anymore.
Okay see you later......you WILL be back. After all we know you do give a "chit". So I am sure we will be reading somemore of your "chit".



Aimee let me tell you how webslave got banned in a real short and sweet story.

Adam block broke kingsnake TOS ON PUPOSE. Adam block decided to post about kingsnake here and whine. Jeff B did not like it and DEMANDED that Rich erase it. Rich would not erase it and he stood up for the (insert name here) adam . And so Jeff, after some back and forth stuff, proceeded to ban rich and all his sites. Then hid behind his "oh he is competition"
Adam to show his appreciation to Rich decided to make some wonderful posts to help the site along and give it some hits by making up a story. Well he was either helping the site get some hits....or he was trying to help his pockets by extorting an animal or two from NERD.
Adam Block made up a story about NERD. He made up a story about owning a ball python from Nerd. Back then we thought he might have been truthful. But something in his story did not make sense. It was not until recently that we learned the whole thing was made up. He did have a ball python die.......But everything else was made up.

 

[HerpVenue]

Your above post really undermines what you always say about the BOI. Are you telling us now that you would delete bad guy posts but only if it suited you from a money standpoint?
Actually what he is saying is he should have erased the bad guy thread you made about kingsnake. He should have erased the way you whined about getting banned.
After all it was YOU who admitted to purposefully breaking kingsnake TOS.

1) I felt what you did with Ritchie was out of line. I don't know the workings of your relationship with him but I don't think you kept your pet on a close enough leash. As he said with Neil, his gut was wrong and that wasn't the only time by any means. He's caused honest people a lot of trouble when his gut's been wrong and it's something YOU allowed.
What is it that he did with me was out of line? Maybe I missed it. Exactly what did he or I do? he gave me a warning point for calling you a blockhead. So what are you whinning about? Yeah I was wrong with Neil. In his case I followed more on what the detective said rather than my gut. If you look at the thread.....there is a part were I practically did a 180. The is the exact instance I went from following my gut to leaning more towards what the detective said.
So what is your point with the neal thing? There were two other times. And I hope you do not start insinuating I was wrong about you. Because I was 100% right. Your ball python story is a complete lie.

I don't know what's going on here with Alex and you and this auction but I don't like it. Your actions effect others, I find it very selfish to post an auction that others may or may not have a chance to win depending on the res you put on it so Alex could take it for a "test drive" at the expence of others.

I guess you still can't understand. He and the other party agreed to put it on auction. Rich put a reserve price of what he thinks would be fair. If someone won the auction it goes to them. If no one won it goes to Alex. Read adam. you either need to learn how to read......or you need to chose a different arguement. Because this one is weak

 

[HerpVenue]

PS

Go funk yourself! You know, you're a coward, never have the balls to do anything proactive if you can't do it behind a keyboard so funk off!

I love the way you could not come up with an arguement to what I said. So the above quote is all you can come up with. I do not need to go and buy a mop. At least not while you are around.

 

[John Albrecht]

I seem to have missed something

Rich, I thought your gut instincts concerning Neil turned out to be true. I was leaning toward supporting him and later came to regret it. Did we ultimately find out Neil was not a liar and a thief?

Also, why does every major thread around here turn into the "Adam Block" comedy show?

 

[Darin Chappell]

"Jeff B is doing fine, nothing anybody else in his shoes wouldn't do and I was an idiot for acting as childish as I did about my dealing with him. If I could do it over, I would but I can't so I'll just tell you now Jeff, I'm sorry. You're going to need good luck in getting that domain from Rich but I wish it to you!"

I find the above quotation to be extremely ironic in a sad, dissfunctional sort of way, considering that it was over Adam and his big mouth that the whole trouble between Rich and Jeff even started!

I have to say that I find the whole "I'm the smartest guy in the world; no I'm a jerk, please forgive me; I'm the smartest guy in world; no I'm a jerk, please forgiveme; ..." two-step that Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Block does very tiring indeed! The people who cannot decide if they want to be a good guy or a bad guy, a productive member of the herp community or a jerk are REALLY wearing on my patience!

You think that you're smarter than everyone here, so why waste you time with us? Why post here at all? Oh, that's right ... Rich has adopted his "no banning" policy on Fauna, and you've burned your bridges over at KS. Now it makes sense!

Just take off, Adam! No one will miss your inane ramblings or "oh-so-cute" observations anyway.

And, for those who think that everyone ought to be given a second chance to be a good guy ... This was Adam's third, if memory serves me right! Sometimes, whether we like to admit it or not, some people are just not happy unless they are stirring up junk for everyone else, and we would ALL be better off without them around!

 

[HerpVenue]

1) I felt what you did with Ritchie was out of line. I don't know the workings of your relationship with him but I don't think you kept your pet on a close enough leash. As he said with Neil, his gut was wrong and that wasn't the only time by any means. He's caused honest people a lot of trouble when his gut's been wrong and it's something YOU allowed.

What was it that webslave did with me? I don't know about it...apperantly you do. So please tell me.



He's caused honest people a lot of trouble when his gut's been wrong and it's something YOU allowed
Can you name who these honest people are?

Matthew Martin- I just showed that he and the other guy were posting from the same IP. They had the same pictures. Then Matt unknowingly responded under the other guys account. But they have been proven to be different people. And I was wrong.
Was there anyone else? He understands that I just pointed out to people the obvious. He understands that he has made mistakes in the past and was under my watchful eye.

Gabriel Finch.- way to go on giving a bad guy a way out. Now he is going around pretending someone stole his identity and ripped off other people. The money just accidentally got sent to him.

anyone else adam?

then there is Neil. - That whole story is not even over yet I do not think. They have not found the guy yet. So me saying I was wrong could be a bit premature.

Anyone else Adam?
Jesse Underhill - And his other five personalities. shoot he does not count.....because I was right.

anyone else Adam?
Adam Block - oh wait he does not count. He is ABSOLUTELY NOT "innocent".


Come on Adam name these so called honest people that I have harmed.

 

[carl3]

WOW!

I can NOT believe how long this thread is...I only read the 1st few pages and WOW. Does the guy that owns kingsnake (Jeff B) sell anything on his website? If so, what is his screen name? I never even knew who he was. Also, I never see stuff for sale by him, just others selling...just curious.

I use both sites equally and have done so for awhile. BUT this site offers far more freedom of speech. I had posts on kingsnake.com deleted for no other reason than mentioning Rich's site. I thought it was a fad that would pass...but now its just a pain in the butt.

One final thought, website aside, I have 3 corns from Rich AND I will gladly buy from him again without second thought since the corns are simply awesome quality. I have been screwed over many times by many people in the 10 years + I have been into herps (even by some that have 'good guy' posts on here) BUT the fact is that I would probably have been screwed over even more had I not read posts on this site about bad people.

JM2cents
carl3, jason

 

[JungleHabitats]

Carl

Jeff B sells a "service"

Im not even sure if he even owns a reptile or not ( i could be wrong)

KS is more/less a online herp show he allows "vendors" to set up for afee to sell there goods and nothing more and alot less

 

[carl3]

WHAT THE???

I just got a warning for 'not posting my full name'
BUT I DID?!?!?!?!?!?! WHAT THE ?@$@#($*~

Is it just b/c I posted it last name, first name

carl, jason....here it goes again...will I get another warning?

After all the nice things I posted, maybe I was wrong about this site?!?!?!

oh well, guess its the last time i post here unless my warning is removed.

 

[meretseger]

Jeff B will once in a blue moon post on kingsnake under the name 'JeffB'. I don't think he concerns himself with the forums much anymore now that he has 'moderators'.

Erin B.

 

[rtdunham]

what happened?

jeff was a big grayband kingsnake fan (not that he liked BIG graybands, you know what i mean)

He started kingsnake.com originally as a forum for the grayband community he was an active part of. The site grew and spread, to other kinds of snakes and then in a quest to be self supporting, to other kinds of animals.

I don't know whether Jeff has snakes any more, I did hear from him that his interest in marine fish was increasing. (I'm in florida and can catch them in the ditch near my home--mollies--or when we go to the beach--puffers, etc.).

I find considerable value on the kingsnake forums and don't always enjoy the non-snake-related emoting that occurs sometimes in an un-moderated forum. My impression is that these forums have become moderated too, and i commend rich for that. The issue, it seems to me, evolved from moderated/no moderation ("free speech!!!!!) to different versions of moderation, and that's reasonable progress.

The hard part is having friends in both communities and having this strange wall between them, a wall built in part because some people chose to see how far they could go, even to boast that they were going to see what it wouild take to get themselves kicked off ks. I don't want someone coming to my home to see how much it will take to get kicked out of my yard, and i don't want people with that attitude in the movie theatre I visit or the restaurant I'm eating in. So I guess the next step is that at least a few of them took their whining to this forum instead, and went beyond that to arguably slandering their opponents (you've seen the posts here, it's not THAT hard to imagine that could have happened, is it?)

Anyway, if the guys I wished thrown out of my yard, or out of the theatre, then wanted to gather in my friend's yard to badmouth/slander me, I guess I'd consider that neighbor wasn't my friend any more, and I might say, "well, then you're not welcome in my yard any more." Sometimes relationships are broken by what seem like inconsequential first steps that grow more and more out of control, and i think that may be as good an explanation as any other of what happened here. Rich, am i way off base? I certainly don't mean to be.

peace,out
terry

 

[JungleHabitats]

Carl / Jason--- Jason Carl

Dont sweat the small stuff

however i might be wrong but i doubt the point will be removed . But from your previous post it did appear that the person posting had signed the name of Carl3 , Jason casuing it to appear as two names in the ending.

also your above post still didnt have the full name in it
its easy goto your profile and in the signature just type in Jason Carl ... it will updat all posts from you and all is solved .

The rules or TOS stated the use of full name is required in the BOI i am pretty sure .
Just chill out have a coke & a smile no ones going to kill you for havining a point or two ESP when your post wasnt a flame / or anything and the points can be viewed to see what they were for
look i have points ... and yep one was for no name once ... i had changed my signature and forgot to add name back OPPPS but no harm no foul ....