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Wow Rich,,I never had you figured for a cyber-pirate...sounds kinda cool!!!
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JeffB apparently doesn't like me having KINGSNAKES.COM...
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HerpVenue
New member
let me get this straight.
I can NEVER use the same font they do in my e-mails and private letters because it is against some law.
I can NEVER buy a kingsnake because the snake has the same name as their business.
Is he gonna sue all the kingsnakes in the world?
Do people who own kingsnakes have to change their animal's name to queen snakes or give them up?
I can NEVER use the same font they do in my e-mails and private letters because it is against some law.
I can NEVER buy a kingsnake because the snake has the same name as their business.
Is he gonna sue all the kingsnakes in the world?
Do people who own kingsnakes have to change their animal's name to queen snakes or give them up?
John Albrecht
New member
One more thing....
Someone should post these very "public" documents over on Kingsnake so everyone over there can also see what a moron he is.
Someone should post these very "public" documents over on Kingsnake so everyone over there can also see what a moron he is.
Intense Herpetoculture
We breed!
Goodness, and I was just about to to get another classified account on Kingsnake.com, well forget that. I am not going to have my money going to Jeff after this. Instead I think I'll put some banners on here and maybe some ads in Reptile magazine as well. I will continue to help develope this site in any way I can, and I think I'l just give up on Kingsnake.com as of now. Another sad day in the herp world, I just wish Jeff would get off his high horse and open his eyes before he sets himself up for a steep fall. Well, if you have to end up coming to Texas to settle this one Rich, let me know and maybe I'll take you out for dinner, it is the least I can do to say thank you for all your kindness and help you have showed all of us.
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John.
Posting Public info over on KS gets you banned as a number of hot keepers just found out while trying to discuss the laws and venomoids. Then again KS has a long standing habit of banning so it was no suprise. I need one of those banned shirts now.
Webslave. Keep up the good fight I would hate to rename my kingsnakes to Queensnakes. Possibly a new name for a sight for you to look in to QUEENSNAKES.COM lol
Scott Bice
Posting Public info over on KS gets you banned as a number of hot keepers just found out while trying to discuss the laws and venomoids. Then again KS has a long standing habit of banning so it was no suprise. I need one of those banned shirts now.
Webslave. Keep up the good fight I would hate to rename my kingsnakes to Queensnakes. Possibly a new name for a sight for you to look in to QUEENSNAKES.COM lol
Scott Bice
John Albrecht
New member
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I wish I had the resources to help.
I'd start by obtaining kngsnake.com, kingsnak.com kingshake.com and they all would have a link to this thread.
I wish I had the resources to help.
I'd start by obtaining kngsnake.com, kingsnak.com kingshake.com and they all would have a link to this thread.
Mercer Don
Groing Older, But Not Up!
Got this email from Jeff tonight. Guess he is sending it to all Kingsnake account holders. Glad mine expires in a month. He wont be getting my money again.
Below is a link to the lawsuit in Adobe Acrobat format.
http://www.kingsnake.com/lawsuit.pdf
We will have a prepared statement and a press release available
tomorrow and they will be posted on our kingsnake.com web site.
You may distribute this as widely as you wish.
Below is a link to the lawsuit in Adobe Acrobat format.
http://www.kingsnake.com/lawsuit.pdf
We will have a prepared statement and a press release available
tomorrow and they will be posted on our kingsnake.com web site.
You may distribute this as widely as you wish.
JungleHabitats
New member
Hey Rich
Well i have to say that Jeff has the balls of a large baboon, it is totally ashame that he is so self centered to try this now , i would DEFINAETLY sue him back . i think that there would be something that could be derived up due to him not allowing you or your name mentioned and im sure it has cost you a few $100k's right ? well i would be happy to very soon start donating some funds into the fuana lawsuit account if you so choose one ? we all know you are a man we can trust with these funds to go towrads a very good cause !!!!!! I will be willing to donate a % of cage sales to the fund if you so choose to start one ( which i think would be a good idea since we all use this great site for FREE!!!!!)
Well i have to say that Jeff has the balls of a large baboon, it is totally ashame that he is so self centered to try this now , i would DEFINAETLY sue him back . i think that there would be something that could be derived up due to him not allowing you or your name mentioned and im sure it has cost you a few $100k's right ? well i would be happy to very soon start donating some funds into the fuana lawsuit account if you so choose one ? we all know you are a man we can trust with these funds to go towrads a very good cause !!!!!! I will be willing to donate a % of cage sales to the fund if you so choose to start one ( which i think would be a good idea since we all use this great site for FREE!!!!!)
Holy freakin CRAP!.. Jeff aka the kingsnake cry baby is a greedy self serving worthless sack of crap and I for one will not sign up for a kingsnake account unless he changes his tune drastically.
What gives him the right to try and trademark the name kingsnake in the first place? This is disgustingly pathetic.
Later
What gives him the right to try and trademark the name kingsnake in the first place? This is disgustingly pathetic.
Later
Stardust
human
If Rich decides to go ahead and fight this, and I hope you do Rich, perhaps this is a good time to really show our appreciation of this site. T-shirts are not a bad idea. Perhaps starting a fund raiser, sell an animal and donate some proceeds to the fund.
Anyone think this is feasable???? Up for it????
Anyone think this is feasable???? Up for it????
Intense Herpetoculture
We breed!
I'm up to raise funds if we have too.
Stardust
human
It's up to Rich on how far he wants to go, for now he has to do something, it is ordered he respond.
I look at it this way, in essence everyone who subscribes to kingsnake and pays their fees, which I understand has gone up, are paying for his fight against Rich.
Rich on the other hand charges nothing to come here and sell and next to nothing for banners.
I see some problems in what Barringer said for Rich but I can also see a counter suit as I believe Wendy mentioned earlier.
Although I do not post as often I still do read and appreciate what Rich has done here. I personally want to more than to just say thank you.
He will have to pay an attorney, travelling expenses, hotel, food ect. all that adds up.
IMHO we all owe Rich our support in anyway we can give it, win or lose, though I do not believe it will be a lose situation.
We should stand together on this.
I look at it this way, in essence everyone who subscribes to kingsnake and pays their fees, which I understand has gone up, are paying for his fight against Rich.
Rich on the other hand charges nothing to come here and sell and next to nothing for banners.
I see some problems in what Barringer said for Rich but I can also see a counter suit as I believe Wendy mentioned earlier.
Although I do not post as often I still do read and appreciate what Rich has done here. I personally want to more than to just say thank you.
He will have to pay an attorney, travelling expenses, hotel, food ect. all that adds up.
IMHO we all owe Rich our support in anyway we can give it, win or lose, though I do not believe it will be a lose situation.
We should stand together on this.
Snakebyt
New member
here is what you do...
wait till the 19th day you have, sell the domain to me for $1, when they find me, and i get the 20 day letter, i wait till the 19th day, and sell it to another member for $1, then he will have to find out who i sold it to and then go after them, give them a 20 day letter, on the 19th day they sell.... well i guess you get the point... there is nothign lillegal about it what so ever.. once you sell it , he can no longer give you any grief.. and eventually he will get tired of chasing people down... instead of sueing for stupid stuff he needs to work on those servers and get some more bandwidth so speed up that site...
wait till the 19th day you have, sell the domain to me for $1, when they find me, and i get the 20 day letter, i wait till the 19th day, and sell it to another member for $1, then he will have to find out who i sold it to and then go after them, give them a 20 day letter, on the 19th day they sell.... well i guess you get the point... there is nothign lillegal about it what so ever.. once you sell it , he can no longer give you any grief.. and eventually he will get tired of chasing people down... instead of sueing for stupid stuff he needs to work on those servers and get some more bandwidth so speed up that site...
Double "D" Reptiles
New member
Unbelievable
First, this is just too obscene and far-fetched to be funny.
Second, I like the idea of selling around the US as each new transfer would require re-filing and would cost him money. Of course, sales would need to be handled very carefully so as to not risk the off chance that Jeff could snatch up the URL for $1 himself.
I remember 6 years ago and various communications with Jeff at that time. It was during the period when TX was re-writing it's herp laws and Jeff had some hand in getting TX herpers to give input which resulted in what, at the time at least, seemed like much better herp laws there (was living in E. TX at the time.) This newest bunch of garbage doesn't sound like the same person. This sounds like it came from some slimy, odorous, dripping, syphillitic hemipene that needs to be surgically removed by a highly qualified vet. Perhaps a good lawyer will have to do the job on this one, but sounds about the same.
An idea for Rich...why not take the kingsnakes.com site and use to direct visitors to any and all sites with known classified ads where snakes of the Lampropeltis genus are known to be advertised for sale. Free to use sites could be directed with script or banners for no charge while any and all sites which charge users who post on their site would be required to pay a fee to have their script/banner added to your site. Imagine the e-mail letters you could send out stating this (Yep, Jeffy could pay to have his banner on the site to re-direct traffic there) and the reaction in the herp community. Heck, could even put Fauna 2nd or 3rd down on the list so that he couldn't scream that you putting it first was an obvious ruse to redirect your site to Fauna only. Would love to see/hear his reaction to this.
Anyway, not enough coffee yet for any more ideas or whammies. Later.
David
First, this is just too obscene and far-fetched to be funny.
Second, I like the idea of selling around the US as each new transfer would require re-filing and would cost him money. Of course, sales would need to be handled very carefully so as to not risk the off chance that Jeff could snatch up the URL for $1 himself.
I remember 6 years ago and various communications with Jeff at that time. It was during the period when TX was re-writing it's herp laws and Jeff had some hand in getting TX herpers to give input which resulted in what, at the time at least, seemed like much better herp laws there (was living in E. TX at the time.) This newest bunch of garbage doesn't sound like the same person. This sounds like it came from some slimy, odorous, dripping, syphillitic hemipene that needs to be surgically removed by a highly qualified vet. Perhaps a good lawyer will have to do the job on this one, but sounds about the same.
An idea for Rich...why not take the kingsnakes.com site and use to direct visitors to any and all sites with known classified ads where snakes of the Lampropeltis genus are known to be advertised for sale. Free to use sites could be directed with script or banners for no charge while any and all sites which charge users who post on their site would be required to pay a fee to have their script/banner added to your site. Imagine the e-mail letters you could send out stating this (Yep, Jeffy could pay to have his banner on the site to re-direct traffic there) and the reaction in the herp community. Heck, could even put Fauna 2nd or 3rd down on the list so that he couldn't scream that you putting it first was an obvious ruse to redirect your site to Fauna only. Would love to see/hear his reaction to this.
Anyway, not enough coffee yet for any more ideas or whammies. Later.
David
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1st to all site name owners if he is successful in this lawsuit against Rich my fear is he would then go for Patent and Trademarks on other names like say REDTAILBOA, CHONDROPYTHON, CONSTRICTOR, SNAKES, etc etc. What will you do then he would theoretically be able to go after you. His Greed shows no end so do not discount this.
2nd Can his price increases be do to people being sick and tired of him and his sites obvious totalitarian and dictatorship views of its own members having voices and thoughts hence the amount of banning. People are sick of it.
When he started that site it was at a perfect time to do so and he had so to speak a monopoly over the sales of online of reptiles.
It used to be pre-heavy Internet access abilities you had to go to 1 to 3 pet stores to buy animals. Most people new little more then they liked the pretty animal and so bought on color or whatever without being fully informed of the species requirements. Now we have the Internet in full swing with some of the worlds best scientist and herpiculturist and herpetologist writing how too's and easily accessible through e-mail. Now people are more educated before purchasing a herp they have the ability to shop around and thus causes the sellers to try and be more competitive. In being more competitive vendors look for sites who charge nothing or lower rates for sales its only good business to list on a cheaper costing site then pay higher cost.
Now with so many sites out there that offer the same services if not better then KS is it a wonder Jeff is crying a lot and looking for more money and lawsuits to gain more money. He is watching his empire crumble and who does he have to blame certainly not himself {lol ego to big}. So of course his natural reaction is to take it out on such a vocal site with an owner who runs it with full knowledge that people have hearts and compassion and emotion and lets people air it out.
For myself I would rather go to sites where they are easier to navigate through and when on a forum/forums its simple to see postings and not have to go to every {re} to have to read them. I also would rather be on a site where my views an expressions can be made without worry of banning because I speak my mind. I would rather go to a site where people hold business and ethics higher then the dollar and when someone screws up has to face the scrutiny of their peers it makes them and all better in the long run. I would rather go to a sight where frauds are exposed and people are saved money before they spend it and get burned. GEE ALL THESE RATTERS SEEM VERY CONSPICUOUS ON 1 SITE. Damn im describing FAUNACLASSIFIEDS.COM
Rich Has done great things with this site not only is it informative and has a classified but it brings people together and introduces not just new members but creates friends. RICH THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
2nd Can his price increases be do to people being sick and tired of him and his sites obvious totalitarian and dictatorship views of its own members having voices and thoughts hence the amount of banning. People are sick of it.
When he started that site it was at a perfect time to do so and he had so to speak a monopoly over the sales of online of reptiles.
It used to be pre-heavy Internet access abilities you had to go to 1 to 3 pet stores to buy animals. Most people new little more then they liked the pretty animal and so bought on color or whatever without being fully informed of the species requirements. Now we have the Internet in full swing with some of the worlds best scientist and herpiculturist and herpetologist writing how too's and easily accessible through e-mail. Now people are more educated before purchasing a herp they have the ability to shop around and thus causes the sellers to try and be more competitive. In being more competitive vendors look for sites who charge nothing or lower rates for sales its only good business to list on a cheaper costing site then pay higher cost.
Now with so many sites out there that offer the same services if not better then KS is it a wonder Jeff is crying a lot and looking for more money and lawsuits to gain more money. He is watching his empire crumble and who does he have to blame certainly not himself {lol ego to big}. So of course his natural reaction is to take it out on such a vocal site with an owner who runs it with full knowledge that people have hearts and compassion and emotion and lets people air it out.
For myself I would rather go to sites where they are easier to navigate through and when on a forum/forums its simple to see postings and not have to go to every {re} to have to read them. I also would rather be on a site where my views an expressions can be made without worry of banning because I speak my mind. I would rather go to a site where people hold business and ethics higher then the dollar and when someone screws up has to face the scrutiny of their peers it makes them and all better in the long run. I would rather go to a sight where frauds are exposed and people are saved money before they spend it and get burned. GEE ALL THESE RATTERS SEEM VERY CONSPICUOUS ON 1 SITE. Damn im describing FAUNACLASSIFIEDS.COM
Rich Has done great things with this site not only is it informative and has a classified but it brings people together and introduces not just new members but creates friends. RICH THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
John Albrecht
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Can't Rich delay this the way you delay appearing or paying a fine for a traffic ticket? Seems that the timing especially sucks for him to be distracted with something like this.
In regards to selling the domain name I think it would be especially helpful if he sold it for $1 to someone he knows that resides overseas.
Can't Rich delay this the way you delay appearing or paying a fine for a traffic ticket? Seems that the timing especially sucks for him to be distracted with something like this.
In regards to selling the domain name I think it would be especially helpful if he sold it for $1 to someone he knows that resides overseas.
Sasheena
Imperfect
Kingsnake has the following posted on their site now:
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I find the part in bold funny.... they now have a link to this posted on their main page, but they don't want anyone talking about it on ANY public board, since of course they have such compassion and care for the legal good will of the owners of those boards.
So basically I read from this... "if you talk about this on any public message system, chances are you are going to get the owner in legal hot water"
Sorry Rich, for talking about it on a public message board.
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I find the part in bold funny.... they now have a link to this posted on their main page, but they don't want anyone talking about it on ANY public board, since of course they have such compassion and care for the legal good will of the owners of those boards.
So basically I read from this... "if you talk about this on any public message system, chances are you are going to get the owner in legal hot water"
Sorry Rich, for talking about it on a public message board.
thomas davis
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that sux
man what a jerk!hang in there webslave,i beleive i speak for all board members here"WE BACK YOU"if he wants to divide the herp community and not help it, let him dig his own grave then WHEN you win the case go fullout BIGTIME w/kingsnakes.com dont sell it build a site that does blow his away same fonts,layouts,everything excepet "mo better"im sure LOTS of folks(paying folks) are looking for another"portal" as they put it,to advertise in ,its called FREE ENTERPRIZE JEFFB!get a grip! for instance walmart-Kmart,,macdonalds,jack in the box,both clowns, sued,,who won?is jack the clown back?are there any other marts,besides WAL?,also JEFFB so you were the first to profit of off the herp community,call it united hobbiest thru the internet portal if ya want,but bottom line is you do it for self-profit,do you really think that you are the only one allowed to profit from reptile internet websites?,,get real,,,,and i LOVE "boi" and faunaclassifieds.com,webslave BUT it is not as catchy a name as KINGSNAKES.com,,,man i wish i had the funds i would get lampropeltis.com,kngsnake.com,etc,as many as possible and build lots of "portals"i would LOVE to be taken to court over a situation like this,ohyeah,,power to the people,,if you do come to texas webslave please let me know im in houston and would love to take ya out for dinner,,,,,,thomas davis
man what a jerk!hang in there webslave,i beleive i speak for all board members here"WE BACK YOU"if he wants to divide the herp community and not help it, let him dig his own grave then WHEN you win the case go fullout BIGTIME w/kingsnakes.com dont sell it build a site that does blow his away same fonts,layouts,everything excepet "mo better"im sure LOTS of folks(paying folks) are looking for another"portal" as they put it,to advertise in ,its called FREE ENTERPRIZE JEFFB!get a grip! for instance walmart-Kmart,,macdonalds,jack in the box,both clowns, sued,,who won?is jack the clown back?are there any other marts,besides WAL?,also JEFFB so you were the first to profit of off the herp community,call it united hobbiest thru the internet portal if ya want,but bottom line is you do it for self-profit,do you really think that you are the only one allowed to profit from reptile internet websites?,,get real,,,,and i LOVE "boi" and faunaclassifieds.com,webslave BUT it is not as catchy a name as KINGSNAKES.com,,,man i wish i had the funds i would get lampropeltis.com,kngsnake.com,etc,as many as possible and build lots of "portals"i would LOVE to be taken to court over a situation like this,ohyeah,,power to the people,,if you do come to texas webslave please let me know im in houston and would love to take ya out for dinner,,,,,,thomas davis
Seamus Haley
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Out of curiosity, is the fact that his initial, non-civil complaint was tossed out of any value in a civil case?
Meaning... logically most civil cases WILL agree with the rulings of other courts or the decisions of organizations with legal standing... One would think just showing up with the papers which stated that there wasn't sufficient evidence of copyright infringement from his last attempt would be enough to have the entire thing decided in Rich's favor.
If you are going to file a countersuit... do so for the cost of the plane ticket required to attend. There is a minimum amount of money that can be requested though, as this is clearly NOT small claims court. Since you incurred costs in having to defend yourself against what is clearly frivilous and vindictive, file for the minimum amount the court will allow if you file at all. I suspect that countersuing for an equal amount will not foster a reasonable view of the situation in the minds of the judge... better to handle it as if it was not Judge Judy. If you are serious about proving the suit is absurd, I don't think there's much that Jeffy can do.
I also think he's made a major mistake here... By TALKING big, he may have alienated a few people. By being proven to be a fool in court, the damage to his reputation and that of his website will spread faster.
The responses on the rec.pets.herp thread as of my posting here are kind of amusing too... Essentially they consist of people unhappy that their forum was chosen and viewing the issue as being the petty nonsense that it is.
Meaning... logically most civil cases WILL agree with the rulings of other courts or the decisions of organizations with legal standing... One would think just showing up with the papers which stated that there wasn't sufficient evidence of copyright infringement from his last attempt would be enough to have the entire thing decided in Rich's favor.
If you are going to file a countersuit... do so for the cost of the plane ticket required to attend. There is a minimum amount of money that can be requested though, as this is clearly NOT small claims court. Since you incurred costs in having to defend yourself against what is clearly frivilous and vindictive, file for the minimum amount the court will allow if you file at all. I suspect that countersuing for an equal amount will not foster a reasonable view of the situation in the minds of the judge... better to handle it as if it was not Judge Judy. If you are serious about proving the suit is absurd, I don't think there's much that Jeffy can do.
I also think he's made a major mistake here... By TALKING big, he may have alienated a few people. By being proven to be a fool in court, the damage to his reputation and that of his website will spread faster.
The responses on the rec.pets.herp thread as of my posting here are kind of amusing too... Essentially they consist of people unhappy that their forum was chosen and viewing the issue as being the petty nonsense that it is.