JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[deborahbroadus]

Perhaps she was "trained to think that way"....

Cat, it's not deep. You should be able to understand it. My daugher could understand it at 12. You took offense (an emotion), labeled my opinion by calling it "Stupid" (an impluse response) and want to convince someone that you are operating from logic and common sense? You doing good!

Triple moons your response was most appropriate to what I said:

Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic
I never thought I'd see the day where a sexist statement about women is made by a woman...

But I don't think it's "sexist" to state what I have observed. For example: How many women stay with a man who's no good for them, "Because I love him?" Think back on the countless decisions that women have made and see if you can honestly support the belief that most of women's decisions are NOT made from emotions.

We have many good qualities. But IMO, most/some however many... do tend to make decisions from emotions. If we recognize this, we can counteract it. If we refuse to recognize this weakness we are forever stuck making decisions that are not in our best interest.

We are raised to be emotional..HELL we are the mothers, the caregivers, the primary response we have is LOVE.

 

[Cat_72]

Cat, it's not deep. You should be able to understand it. My daugher could understand it at 12. You took offense (an emotion), labeled my opinion by calling it "Stupid" (an impluse response) and want to convince someone that you are operating from logic and common sense? You doing good!

Again....I KNOW it's not deep...thus the quotes around the word "deep"....again, poking fun, laughing at it....

And I called it stupid because I thought it was stupid, which is simply my opinion...which I believe you said doesn't need a response, since it's my opinion? Or is it just that I'm not understanding correctly because "impluse" is something different from "impulse"?

State "what you have observed" all you like, but when you state it as fact, someone is going to take issue with it.

Anyhoo, like I said, this is all pointless, and is completely off-topic. Back to the regularly scheduled thread, please.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Again....I KNOW it's not deep...thus the quotes around the word "deep"....again, poking fun, laughing at it....

And I called it stupid because I thought it was stupid, which is simply my opinion...which I believe you said doesn't need a response, since it's my opinion? Or is it just that I'm not understanding correctly because "impluse" is something different from "impulse"?

State "what you have observed" all you like, but when you state it as fact, someone is going to take issue with it.

Anyhoo, like I said, this is all pointless, and is completely off-topic. Back to the regularly scheduled thread, please.

I wanted to respond...I wasn't responding implusively. I was defending my viewpoint as logically as possible.

Didn't you see the laughing icons?? (or did I forget to put them there...I am so busy it's possible and I am not going back to look).

Typical..point out an error in typing to defect. It's MY fact. If you see a thing often enough it becomes a truth. Read a couple of good books (not the ones with the pictures).

NOW back to your regulary scheduled programming.

 

[RJK890]

Quote Shrap:
Seamus and Robert.... you both are a couple of dicks. Plain and simple.

Sammy, You are a punk. What exactly is your problem with my post in this thread? I first bumped this thread when Jen was offering the Mojo's for sale. Now I simply pointed out that shipping Tommy his infected snake was a risk, and said that I would like to know what date, and shipping company Jen was using so that I could make sure that I was not getting any animals shipped to me on that day, or with that shipping company.

Jen was advertising animals for sale from her infected collection, repeatedly lied about her "vet team" clearing her collection, lied about releasing any animals from her collection(adoptions count,) sold her racks for $50 instead of destroying them, kept a potentially infected snake for herself, was going to ship Tommy's potentially infected snake back to him, and posted a "bad guy" thread on the guy who she could not hold up her end of a payment plan with for Steph's animals because he would not let her determine the value of his animals outside of the "package deal" they had agreed on. Now she is here asking the people that felt bad for her losing her collection and offered to donate animals to her, in order to help her start over in this hobby to donate those animals to help pay her personal debt .
Somehow, she gets a free pass on all of this because she could have been even more dishonest and swept it all under the rug. I just don't get y'all.

 

[RJK890]

Quote Jen:
Robert, why do I have to freeze Spoon? He is the only snake I have left (aside from the fact that I've been hanging onto the g-stripe as well, waiting to get an answer on what was going on with it), and I'm not doing anything with them nor am I getting any new ones ever again. So what harm is he doing by being my pet in my house? I haven't gone to a reptile show in years, nor do I go to anyone's house that has snakes. They don't pose a threat to anyone or anything.

Actually they may pose a threat. If this virus is airborne then your clothing, your hair, your furniture, etc. is a potential carrier of this virus. Everytime you hand cash to the lady at 7-Eleven, have a yard sale and sell a couch or a blouse, even just your presence in a WalMart could pass it on to any one of the reptile keepers collections in those senarios. Maybe that is a little extreme and paranoid thinking but is it worth keeping those two animals alive and risking it. After freezing all of those poor helpless animals which may or may not have been infected, is it worth keeping these two alive and spreading the virus anyway, making the deaths of all those other animals in vain?
Now Sammy, How was that... .

Jen,
I really am sorry for your loss. I am sorry to be one of the guys that does not just say "give the poor girl a break," but somebody has got worry more about the spreading of this virus than about your feelings getting hurt.

 

[Otter_23]

but somebody has got worry more about the spreading of this virus than about your feelings getting hurt.

Have you sent money for research? Are you active on threads of other people that have recieved sick snakes from the same seller yet continue to keep and breed snakes? From everything you have said I think I need to set up a decontamination shower/room at my front door. I'll say it again I don't think losing pretty much your entire collection and pretty much forcing you to give up a hobby you loved, your family, lots of money and time is a getting a free pass. She has gotten some sympathy and understanding because even though she was going to make some poor choices IN THE END SHE DID THE RIGHT THING which is a hell of a lot more I can say for those that have had the virus present in their collection and yet continue to keep breed and sell snakes. I really just think she is an easy target for you so you continue to beat the dead horse. If you really are concerned about this virus why not send money for research and actively seek and go after those that continue to run business as usual.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

posted a "bad guy" thread on the guy who she could not hold up her end of a payment plan with for Steph's animals because he would not let her determine the value of his animals outside of the "package deal" they had agreed on

Um, maybe you should take the time to READ before posting. I posted the thread because Doug kept agreeing to ship and then not shipping...Spent the money he received on frivolous teenage crap and didn't have the money to refund. It was also me that was offering suggestions to get him out of his agreement so he didn't have to stay mixed up in it.

If you had read the thread, you would also know I did not specifically name him a "bad guy" but provided information on how he dealt with me so others in the future could make an educated decision on whether or not to deal with him.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

If this virus is airborne then your clothing, your hair, your furniture, etc. is a potential carrier of this virus. Everytime you hand cash to the lady at 7-Eleven, have a yard sale and sell a couch or a blouse, even just your presence in a WalMart could pass it on to any one of the reptile keepers collections in those senarios.

You know, reading this, it makes me think you expect her to burn all of her belongs...Her home...Just so you can feel better that the virus no longer exists in her little section of the US. What about all the others that have the virus?

 

[RJK890]

Quote Otter:
Have you sent money for research?

No.

Quote Otter:
Are you active on threads of other people that have recieved sick snakes from the same seller yet continue to keep and breed snakes?

Again, No. I have not seen any threads about others who have recieved infected snakes from Wyatt.

Quote Otter:
From everything you have said I think I need to set up a decontamination shower/room at my front door.

Maybe a little extreme and paranoid thinking...I don't think that is equal to suggesting the people who are known to have this virus destroy ALL of the infected animals, racks etc.

Quote Otter:
I'll say it again I don't think losing pretty much your entire collection and pretty much forcing you to give up a hobby you loved, your family, lots of money and time is a getting a free pass.

I am very sorry for Jens loss of her collection. She has decided not to destroy the infected animals, take the animals that were offered to her and start over. No one has forced her out of this hobby. Even though she has dragged her family affairs into all of this I don't really want to get involved there. I would think a couple that could be torn apart by something like this was failing anyway.

Quote Otter:
She has gotten some sympathy and understanding because even though she was going to make some poor choices IN THE END SHE DID THE RIGHT THING which is a hell of a lot more I can say for those that have had the virus present in their collection and yet continue to keep breed and sell snakes.

I have sympathy for her myself. However I think she not only made poor choices but continually behaves like a "bad guy" until she is called on it. She then defends her stupid choices until enough people tell her she is wrong. Of course you have people like Sammy who defend her nomatter what she does. Finally she throws some self pitty party, claims ignorance and does the right thing in the end. Oh wait, she adopted animals out of her infected collection, sold her racks and kept infected animals. I guess she does not always do the right thing in the end.

Quote Otter:
I really just think she is an easy target for you so you continue to beat the dead horse. If you really are concerned about this virus why not send money for research and actively seek and go after those that continue to run business as usual.

Easy target hell, She has pack protection. Who are these people that have this virus in their collection and run business as usual that I should actively seek and go after? That has been said a few times now. The fact that others are doing it and keeping it secret does not excuse Jen.
I am concerned about Cancer, HIV/Aids, and many other diseases, but do not send money for research.

 

[RJK890]

Quote Steph:
You know, reading this, it makes me think you expect her to burn all of her belongs...Her home...Just so you can feel better that the virus no longer exists in her little section of the US.

Again, a little extreme. If it were me I would freeze ALL of the animals, racks, etc. and disinfect the house with Bleach as much as possible(walls, floors, furniture, evrything.) I would move before starting over with new animals, and I would start over. That is what I would do, not what I expect from her though.

Quote Steph:
What about all the others that have the virus?

Who are the others, and what does that have to do with Jen, or how she deals with it?

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

She has decided not to destroy the infected animals, take the animals that were offered to her and start over.

Where in the heck did you pull this out of? Your butt?

Who are these people that have this virus in their collection and run business as usual that I should actively seek and go after? That has been said a few times now.

Start reading.

 

[RJK890]

Quote Myself:
Again, a little extreme. If it were me I would freeze ALL of the animals, racks, etc.

Before one of you cerebral assassins correct me I would not freeze the racks .

I would freeze ALL of the animals, and burn the racks, tubs, etc. with the dead animals. What did not burn away would be buried or taken to the landfill.

 

[ToshaMc]

Aside from the one kid that got the snake with the bad eye and the Dr. who so far as I know hasn't provided proof that he actually purchased a snake from Wyatt -- how many other sick animals were shipped out?

 

[RJK890]

Originally Posted by RJK890
She has decided not to destroy the infected animals, take the animals that were offered to her and start over.

Quote Steph:
Where in the heck did you pull this out of? Your butt?

Jen said that she did not want the animals that were offered to her because she was burned out and hurt, and never was going to start over. Nobody forced her out of this hobby!
She asked that the animals be sold and the funds donated to Dr. Jacobson for research, and to Dr. Gordon to help pay her vet bills. Now she wants the same animals given to you because she owes you $1300 for doing her website design, and also given to Tommy because the G-Stripe he loaned her is now "useless."
Start reading.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Jen said that she did not want the animals that were offered to her because she was burned out and hurt, and never was going to start over. Nobody forced her out of this hobby!
She asked that the animals be sold and the funds donated to Dr. Jacobson for research, and to Dr. Gordon to help pay her vet bills.

Please explain to me how the above has anything to do with you saying:

"She has decided not to destroy the infected animals, take the animals that were offered to her and start over."

This sentence you are stating that she is currently accepting animals into her home and starting her collection over again. Which has not been said. Perhaps you meant to say "She has decided not to destroy the infected animals, not to take the animals that were offered to her and not to start over."

Now she wants the same animals given to you because she owes you $1300 for doing her website design

Now again...You need to read before you type...
She owed me $1,100...and part of that is already paid via the arrangement with Doug so the total due is not $1,100. I have no beef with Jen as far as what is going on between her and I...So that shouldn't even be open for discussion here.

And brilliant, the "Start reading" I posted was a link where you can learn the information to your question yourself.

 

[deborahbroadus]

You know, reading this, it makes me think you expect her to burn all of her belongs...Her home...Just so you can feel better that the virus no longer exists in her little section of the US. What about all the others that have the virus?

The way I see it, she doesn't need to burn her home, furniture or anything else. The solution is quite simple: she needs to get rid of ALL the animals and then clean and air out her house. After a sufficient amount of time even airborn pathogens should not remain.

As long as even ONE animal remains of a collection that is KNOWN to have carried the disease, and it was killing her animals ONE BY ONE...she can not logically claim that she's not doing any harm. The logical response is NOT YET.

 

[morphevolutions]

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have seen typed on here yet.

I'm not even going to justify it with an arguement - even though my first impulse was to do so, the presence of logic and common sense tells me that it would be pointless.

lmao Cat. Excellent post.

 

[Otter_23]

Aside from the one kid that got the snake with the bad eye and the Dr. who so far as I know hasn't provided proof that he actually purchased a snake from Wyatt -- how many other sick animals were shipped out?

Who knows he sold off his entire collection. It has also been stated by several that this virus has been in larger breeders colonies but has been hush hush. I think anyone that bought a snake from Wyatt at least 6 months prior to Jen recieving her snakes should at the least close thier collection for a year don't you think? If I had purchased a snake from Wyatt I would and I certainly wouldn't be breeding them. As has been stated noone is really certain about this virus and how long it can stay dormant in a host. Jen still has two snakes that appear healthy and haven't had any issues for the months since it hit her colony yet no one in their right mind would ad them to their collection because we don't know if they are carriers. Did you not receive snakes from Wyatt Tosha? Are you certain they are clean?

 

[ToshaMc]

Who knows he sold off his entire collection. It has also been stated by several that this virus has been in larger breeders colonies but has been hush hush. I think anyone that bought a snake from Wyatt at least 6 months prior to Jen recieving her snakes should at the least close thier collection for a year don't you think? If I had purchased a snake from Wyatt I would and I certainly wouldn't be breeding them. As has been stated noone is really certain about this virus and how long it can stay dormant in a host. Jen still has two snakes that appear healthy and haven't had any issues for the months since it hit her colony yet no one in their right mind would ad them to their collection because we don't know if they are carriers. Did you not receive snakes from Wyatt Tosha? Are you certain they are clean?

I am aware of some big breeders that have had viral issues -- but from what I understand it's not THIS virus. My question was more focused to those that keep saying that there are all these people that have received sick animals from Wyatt - at my count I get two that are sketchy at best -- if I am wrong then happily someone correct me.

Thanks for your concern about my collection -- I purchased my animal from Wyatt in early 05 I believe -- it was sold a while ago - I haven't has so much as a sniffle in my collection nor are there any issues in the collection it was sold to -- if it's here and hiding for that long then we are all up a creek.

 

[Otter_23]

if it's here and hiding for that long then we are all up a creek.

I would agree.