JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[lanceheads]

Excellent point John!


Randal

 

[Chandler Reptiles]

That is great to know that we know the others that left Jen are doing good still.

Ya'll are sooo fond of ignoring the vet email that does not support you from driving a competitor out of the business.

Jen is working with inverts, corns and geckos now????

I am so out of the loop...

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Didn't anyone notice dates?

For God's sake people! Read dates on posts before assuming that she is bringing more animals into the public. The first post on this was from May of 07, and the continued (up to post #10) until 11/02/07. It was on post #11 on APRIL 29, 2008 that this was brought up again. WHY? What was the point, Mr. Kelly? She discovered this issue later in Nov of 07, and it was thought to be a simple RI. From that point forward, after finding about about this virus, she halted all sales and put her money, time, effort and love into finding out what happened. I am just curious as to why you had to drag this particular post up after all that time.

The sad thing here is that someone like Jen, who has been honest and upfront, has been attacked for believing people she believed to be knowledgeable enough to give her the go-ahead to sell her babies. Would she have thought about selling the babies without this information? I believe not, as Jen has been WAY too upfront about what has happened to her for me to believe that. I followed the story from the beginning, keeping up with her other webpage/blog, and think she has invested way too much, including the possible demise of her marriage, to be so malicious. People seem to be forgetting that.

Now, was Jen right in bringing up someone's personal loss and using that as an attack on another forum? Not in any way, shape or form. Not to excuse her actions, but maybe she was lashing out at people that have been lashing out at her in the same way. Maybe because of how she has been bashed and belittled here for example? I am not a member of the other forum to know how it was handled there for her. It is still wrong. But instead of immediately thinking she had no right, what right have people had to bash her and call her horrible names for making a simple mistake (posting more animals for sale) after being told by 2 vets that it was safe? What is good for the goose, right?

This is why so many people have left this forum - the way that people attack each other for no real reason. As was said before, everyone here is so quick to attack each other, even respected people, that everyone forgets what the true reason for this forum (the BOI) is supposed to be about. Sure, without some people being a little more thorough the "bad guys" would never be brought to light, but it seems that people have just lost all respect for each other, the ones who are investigating things.

I posted a big rant on how a newcomer looks at Fauna sometimes (over in the Feedback forum) that maybe some people need to look at. For a bunch of adults, there sure is a lot of behavior that reminds me of kindergarten children going on in this thread. Everyone go read this thread. From top to bottom. Then wake up and grow up. See where this forum is heading, and why. Then look back and how you have responded to things. Start in this thread here, and think about things.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109517

Jen, stand strong. But keep your ignorant comments out of things. If you want to be respected, respect people, even in the hardest times of your life. A HUGE apology needs to be made to Felicia, both publicly and privately, but only do it if it comes from the heart. You are better than what you said, and you need to step up to correct that problem. But you do not need to leave the hobby, and I hope you have changed your mind about destroying your beloved animals. Keep your head up, get it out of your ass (sorry, but you know its there by saying what you said), and move forward.

 

[BalloonzForU]

For God's sake people! Read dates on posts before assuming that she is bringing more animals into the public. The first post on this was from May of 07, and the continued (up to post #10) until 11/02/07. It was on post #11 on APRIL 29, 2008 that this was brought up again. WHY? What was the point, Mr. Kelly? She discovered this issue later in Nov of 07, and it was thought to be a simple RI. From that point forward, after finding about about this virus, she halted all sales and put her money, time, effort and love into finding out what happened. I am just curious as to why you had to drag this particular post up after all that time.

The sad thing here is that someone like Jen, who has been honest and upfront, has been attacked for believing people she believed to be knowledgeable enough to give her the go-ahead to sell her babies. Would she have thought about selling the babies without this information? I believe not, as Jen has been WAY too upfront about what has happened to her for me to believe that. I followed the story from the beginning, keeping up with her other webpage/blog, and think she has invested way too much, including the possible demise of her marriage, to be so malicious. People seem to be forgetting that.

Now, was Jen right in bringing up someone's personal loss and using that as an attack on another forum? Not in any way, shape or form. Not to excuse her actions, but maybe she was lashing out at people that have been lashing out at her in the same way. Maybe because of how she has been bashed and belittled here for example? I am not a member of the other forum to know how it was handled there for her. It is still wrong. But instead of immediately thinking she had no right, what right have people had to bash her and call her horrible names for making a simple mistake (posting more animals for sale) after being told by 2 vets that it was safe? What is good for the goose, right?

This is why so many people have left this forum - the way that people attack each other for no real reason. As was said before, everyone here is so quick to attack each other, even respected people, that everyone forgets what the true reason for this forum (the BOI) is supposed to be about. Sure, without some people being a little more thorough the "bad guys" would never be brought to light, but it seems that people have just lost all respect for each other, the ones who are investigating things.

I posted a big rant on how a newcomer looks at Fauna sometimes (over in the Feedback forum) that maybe some people need to look at. For a bunch of adults, there sure is a lot of behavior that reminds me of kindergarten children going on in this thread. Everyone go read this thread. From top to bottom. Then wake up and grow up. See where this forum is heading, and why. Then look back and how you have responded to things. Start in this thread here, and think about things.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109517

Jen, stand strong. But keep your ignorant comments out of things. If you want to be respected, respect people, even in the hardest times of your life. A HUGE apology needs to be made to Felicia, both publicly and privately, but only do it if it comes from the heart. You are better than what you said, and you need to step up to correct that problem. But you do not need to leave the hobby, and I hope you have changed your mind about destroying your beloved animals. Keep your head up, get it out of your ass (sorry, but you know its there by saying what you said), and move forward.

I will address the two sections I made bold.

#1 This thread was brought back up because she had her mojave clutch up for sale in the classified section here on fauna at that time.

# I was the one that she made that comment about and not once did I call her names or attack her. All I've simply done was ask questions to get straight answers to things that are not adding up in her story. So where did I deserve her bringing up the death of my husband?

 

[John E Dove]

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Felicia, my post was in NO WAY directed to you, and I apologize if you took it that way. As I said, Jen bringing up the death of your husband was absolutely wrong in every way, and it is something she needs to attempt to correct with you. If you never accepted an apology from her, I would not blame you in the least. I could not imagine the pain you have had to go through, and being a newlywed myself, I am appalled that she sunk so low.

Kelly Kordek

I will address the two sections I made bold.

#1 This thread was brought back up because she had her mojave clutch up for sale in the classified section here on fauna at that time.

# I was the one that she made that comment about and not once did I call her names or attack her. All I've simply done was ask questions to get straight answers to things that are not adding up in her story. So where did I deserve her bringing up the death of my husband?

 

[BalloonzForU]

Felicia, my post was in NO WAY directed to you, and I apologize if you took it that way. As I said, Jen bringing up the death of your husband was absolutely wrong in every way, and it is something she needs to attempt to correct with you. If you never accepted an apology from her, I would not blame you in the least. I could not imagine the pain you have had to go through, and being a newlywed myself, I am appalled that she sunk so low.

Kelly Kordek

Kelly,

I understand what you're saying, just wanted to point it out.

I'm re-married now and expecting a baby, but the loss will always be there. Luckily my new husband is very understanding of that.

As far as forgiving Jen, that is already done, she doesn't have to ask for it. I understand what she's going through more than she thinks. She holds all her animals dear, like children part of her family, as I think most of us do. As for this thread it did what was needed to be done at this point. It opened Jen's eyes to the fact that she shouldn't let anything out of her collection till this virus is ID-ed and eradicated from her collection.

I'm done asking questions here publicly. If Jen would like to contact me she can I hold no grudge.

 

[ToshaMc]

You know – this whole thing with Jen is getting out of control. I keep hearing that Jen is getting attacked, that people are trying to run Jen out of business, that people (like me or Felicia) just have a problem with Jen. Well that’s all a load of doo doo. The only thing people have done is ask for Jen to clarify her multitude of contradictory statements – and this is perceived as an attack??? The fact is if you go back and look at her statements about her sick animals before it hit the BOI and then her stories in the BOI thread – darn near everything she says has several different stories to it. And they aren’t just – “oops I forgot what day she ate” type of mix-ups – but obvious omissions and cover ups that happen to better her position. I don’t wish a bunch of dead animals on anyone – but when it comes to a deadly virus being released into the community – then you have to make sure that the due diligence is done.

Without dwelling on all the previous lies – lets just recap the most recent and important information.

Of the three Dr.s working with this – one is pretty much a sample taker the local herp vet – one is mostly relying on Jens (wrong) information and has been basing his theories on her OMPV diagnosis and the other is the “expert specialist” probably the foremost authority on OMPV – he - by the way told her some 6 months ago that she didn’t have OMPV.

Jen has been emphatically saying it was OMPV – even tho she has known for some time that this is “as of now an unknown virus”. Why? I don't know - perhaps it's because an unknown virus would close her collection – but if it were OMPV she’s got plenty of quotes from the good Dr.s past works saying it would be ok to rebuild, sell, etc. after 60-90 days from the last death. Convenient coincidence that she waited (what 61 days?) to bring home more animals and list snakes for sale – quotes handy to give people questioning if that’s a good idea implying that she checked with her expert first.

The OMPV specialist advised against using the avian vaccine as 1. They don’t have OMPV and 2. Even if it was OMPV avian paramyxovirus is very different from snake paramyxovirus - the vaccine is in his opinion worthless. She vaccinated the animals against his advice knowing it would do nothing – but sure did over emphasizing it’s importance when it came to explaining how her collection is clean and when it was needed to sell those hatchlings.

Now to make it clear - the expert specialist says that in no way was she advised by him to breed, rebuild or release animals into the community – doing so would be irresponsible – yet she has said on numerous occasions that he has cleared her collection. How could that be?

As a matter of fact – she hasn’t even had contact with him since November – so how could he have cleared her collection? How could he have told her that the hatchlings would inherit the immunization from the parents – when he didn’t even know she had hatchlings and he knows the vaccine is worthless to begin with?

Yes there is another documented case of this virus – I believe he said it was in a collection in Atlanta.

For those that keep thinking – well at least Jen has been honest about the virus – take a step back and realize – yes she admitted to having it – because it has benefited her – but she hasn’t been very honest since. It would be prudent to stop relying on what Jen says – and wait for proof from Dr. Jacobsen. Don’t treat this any different than the IBD issue with Big Daddy – just because you happen to think Jen is a nice girl – it’s been proven she isn’t being completely truthful.

If anyone has a deadly virus running in their collection – get absolute proof from the experts before giving them a pass! Please don’t just take someone’s word for it or second hand quotes - otherwise we are going to end up with a pandemic in the community.

 

[David Reid]

This may be way off, but here is how I think about it:

Remember back in the 80's, when AIDS first became public knowledge and scared the heck out of people. There were many people who were ignorant, and did not fully understand how the AIDS virus was spread. Some people took extra precautions, and were overly careful about who they shacked up with, some people thought AIDS was a joke, could not affect them....etc.

I think the situation with Jen is, we just do not know, FOR SURE, what type of virus her snakes have/had, and I will be overly cautious vs. just ignoring the few facts we know, and the many possibilities stemming from what we do not know.

Too call people Ass Clowns because they thought it was not a wise thing to sell any snakes from a collection that has had a catastrophic disease tear through it is just asinine and juvenile. The words unknown virus are pretty scary when you think about what could happen if you actually purchased the snakes for sale. Wether or not the snakes for sale actually turned out to be carriers or not, the UNKNOWN would be enough to keep me up at night, if I had purchased a snake from Jen. I actually almost made a purchase from Wyatt several months ago...WOW, I am glad I got a "tip" and decided against the purchase.

I guess this has gotten too long....but the problem is not with Jen, it is with her attempt to sell snakes from a collection that may or may not be totally safe...and I do not think we will know how safe her collection is for years. As far as wanting to hurt a competitor, PLEASE, that is as asinine as the Ass Clown blasts, or worse!

Maybe Jen should post a list of the animals she has, and have people send her one of each, if she does actually put her animals down...or, keep her animals and wait and see, and send some snakes to friends of hers, to help her out a bit after she quarantines her collection.

I think people saw her putting up a snake for sale as a way to get back some lost funds, but most thought, it might be a bit too soon to sell snakes from her collection. I am one of those people.

 

[RJK890]

Come On!

Quote GottaLuvHerps:
...What was the point, Mr. Kelly?...I am just curious as to why you had to drag this particular post up after all that time.

I answered that already in post #97, here is your answer:

Quote Myself:
When I first saw Jen advertising the Mojo for sale I did not respond. I waited, and gave some thought about posting. Since I know many consider Jen to be a "good gal," and I am always being called a troll for seeing things differently than the majority of the community, I figured I would let somebody else address it. Steve(SPJ) later sent Jen a PM and posted it in her ad. Great!
Then Jen posted some BS response in the classified ad about her vet team(with Elliot Jacobson being the best of the 3,) all clearing the offspring, and not holding it against anyone who doesn't want to purchase from her. Many of her post's are at the very best, inaccurate. Maybe even....Lies.
The fact is that no ethical person who cares about animals(their own, or others) more than money would be buying/selling animals so soon after having a deadly disease go through their collection. Even when confronted about this "bad choice" by another well respected member(SPJ,) Jen was not getting it. It wasn't until this thread was bumped and a bunch of clowns got involved that she chose to do the right thing.

Quote Jen:
...This is why it has been stressing every last nerve I have, making me cry constantly every day, causing me to lose sleep and feel so anxious that I throw up -- I am being attacked relentlessly...

A little dramatic.

Quote Jen:
I have left a message for Dr. Gordon today to see if he can come out here and take care of my snakes sometime today or this week. I am going to keep the ones that mean the most to me as pets, and will be done with this hobby entirely.

A dramatic and manipulative cry for help. I doubt Jen ever asked Dr. Gordon to come out and kill her animals, or that she ever intended on putting them down.

Quote Cat:
The girl has given up, thrown up her hands and vowed to have most of her animals euthanized....what the hell else do you want from her?? Is even that not enough? What will be enough?

And y'all responded exactly the way she knew you would.

I never said that Jen should leave the hobby or kill her animals. I said that I would have, maybe even that she should have put down her collection and started over. I don't think I said that she should kill them now. She has already decided to work with what she has left and salvage what she can. I said I do not have a problem with that, and that it was her decision to make.
However, if that is her decision then I do, or did have a problem with her selling animals to the public. I believe Jen's collection should be Closed! Nothing should be sold, given away, or adopted out... Taking in animals is not a great idea, unless she can quarantine them at a separate location, away from her existing collection for 4-6 months(IMO.) What good is a test like that unless you are certain that the new animals are healthy and thriving before being introduced? It's just a matter of does she want to Keep her collection and be a hobbyist(for now), Put them down and start over, or Get out of the hobby. Now, I did not tell Jen to "get out!" That was just listed as one of the three ethical options I see available to her.

Jen,
Just breed what you have and hold everything back. After enough time has passed(2-3+ years IMO,) if your collection is healthy and thriving, with no more outbreaks you should have plenty of yearling/subadult animals to sell in order to recoup, or reinvest your money. Good luck with your animals, and with your marriage .

 

[shrap]

Too call people Ass Clowns because they thought it was not a wise thing to sell any snakes from a collection that has had a catastrophic disease tear through it is just asinine and juvenile.

You really think that is why I called them ass clowns? Get a clue David. People stepped over the line, way over the line in my opinion, in the process of getting Jen to see the light.

First. People have no right contacting other peoples Vets. That is no different than calling my doctor and pumping him for info about myself or my medical conditions. That is stepping so far over the line that it pisses me off to no end.

Second. There was absolutely no need to keep rubbing Jen's nose in it and piling on even AFTER she admitted her mistake and took the corrective action that was asked of her.

Those are the exact reasons people got labeled Big Giant Ass Clown Monsters. Think I am in the wrong for the way I feel and what I said? Too damn bad, I really dont care what most people think. But you have to admit, Big Giant Ass Clown Monsters is pretty damn funny..... how can you say that phrase without laughing?

 

[reagorfu]

This may be way off, but here is how I think about it:

Remember back in the 80's, when AIDS first became public knowledge and scared the heck out of people. There were many people who were ignorant, and did not fully understand how the AIDS virus was spread. Some people took extra precautions, and were overly careful about who they shacked up with,

Sorry, but I don’t think there is a way to possibly be overly careful about who you choose to have sex with. We would not be in the state that our country is in now with all of the STDs out there infecting people at alarming rates. Did you know that 1 out of every 4 teenagers (CNN study) have a STD? I wish I could say that I’m sorry, but I really don't think that overly careful is ever possible.

With that said, I don't think you can be too careful with who you buy from any more. I personally am into boas and not pythons so it is really scary, because with boas things such as IBD can go unnoticed for years and years before it kills the animal. I know it is hard out there for breeders, but with that said I really don't think that I am going to feel comfortable buying from anyone who does not have a good elderly population of boas in their collection (15+ years). I know it sounds crazy, but I am not a breeder and these animals are my "pets", and I want my animals to live a long, long time.

Sense AIDS has now been used as an example when talking about reptile disease I find it is very hard for me not to point something very important out. If you know that you have HIV or AIDS and you have intercourse with someone who is unaware that you have HIV or AIDS and you pass it on to them you are going to jail for the rest of your life. Now I am not 100% sure about this, but one would think that if you knowingly pass on a diseased animal or an animal that has been exposed to disease and may be carrier of this disease to someone and that animal destroys someone’s collection, I am sure that you will be held accountable for the monetary value of that collection. Now like I said, I am not 100% sure about it, but I think that you could also push for jail time under animal cruelty laws. Just something to think about if your collection ever comes down with something nasty and you don’t feel like talking about it. IF the big breeders you all are gossiping about spread something like this they would be held accountable and I think there would be news about it already.

Now on to the part of the post where I accually talk about the subject of the thread, now who ever thought about doing that?

I think that Jen WAS crazy for trying to sell her animals so soon, but that has been beaten into the ground. Everything that she could have been done now has been done, she has exhausted all efforts. She may have misspoke and said a wrong date but really, who cares? I hope that in a few years she still has a healthy collection and can continue in this hobby. I do not know Jen, but I respect her a ton for coming out into the open about her problem and telling us all about what she is doing to fix it. To me she is one of the good guys.

 

[ToshaMc]

You really think that is why I called them ass clowns? Get a clue David. People stepped over the line, way over the line in my opinion, in the process of getting Jen to see the light.

First. People have no right contacting other peoples Vets. That is no different than calling my doctor and pumping him for info about myself or my medical conditions. That is stepping so far over the line that it pisses me off to no end.

Second. There was absolutely no need to keep rubbing Jen's nose in it and piling on even AFTER she admitted her mistake and took the corrective action that was asked of her.

Those are the exact reasons people got labeled Big Giant Ass Clown Monsters. Think I am in the wrong for the way I feel and what I said? Too damn bad, I really dont care what most people think. But you have to admit, Big Giant Ass Clown Monsters is pretty damn funny..... how can you say that phrase without laughing?

First - she posted the contact information for her vets - sure it was so people would pay her bills, errrr sorry, donate to the cause and research their "credentials" - but she posted them inviting us to pursue it further.

Second - no one pumped the vet for information - I took what she said and told him it was IMO irresponsible advice to be giving her at this time.

Third - Don't tell me if Wyatt posted that his collection was clean and here is the vets information you wouldn't follow up to verify it.

Fourth - So much for her wanting to be open and honest since she now considers her own internet quotes confidential information.

Fifth - "mistake" that's a laugh....

 

[Otter_23]

Tosha did your buy ball pythons from Wyatt? Are you certain they are clean of any virus? Have you had them tested and if so for what? How can you know they are not carriers? I don't think anyone actually believes that you are questioning Jen for the good of community. The way you assume things and attack are far more personal than just trying to sort this out. I'm not sure what your hard on for Jen is about but maybe it has something to do with your relationship with Wyatt and her outting him? I don't know but judging by your posts I thought I would give assuming a try and gee it is kind of fun.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

First - she posted the contact information for her vets - sure it was so people would pay her bills, errrr sorry, donate to the cause and research their "credentials" - but she posted them inviting us to pursue it further.

Second - no one pumped the vet for information - I took what she said and told him it was IMO irresponsible advice to be giving her at this time.

Third - Don't tell me if Wyatt posted that his collection was clean and here is the vets information you wouldn't follow up to verify it.

Fourth - So much for her wanting to be open and honest since she now considers her own internet quotes confidential information.

Fifth - "mistake" that's a laugh....

I will admit that i dont think calling her vet and talking about anything of a personal nature about jen, or her animals is right. I could understand you calling to ask about the virus, to gain more information, but NOT something that puts the vet in a place where he has to talk about something that is of a more personal nature.

Its a moral thing.

I was going to call and speak to that other vet in the dan scolaro thread SPECIFICALLY about IBD only because that was one person that was revealed to know about the virus. I wanted to ask for information on it and what to look for, NOTHING of a personal nature from the person who the vet reports came from. That person then got upset at the notion that i even called just to get information, so i called someone else, to further avoid conflict, as that was never my intention.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Now I am not 100% sure about this, but one would think that if you knowingly pass on a diseased animal or an animal that has been exposed to disease and may be carrier of this disease to someone and that animal destroys someone’s collection, I am sure that you will be held accountable for the monetary value of that collection. Now like I said, I am not 100% sure about it, but I think that you could also push for jail time under animal cruelty laws. Just something to think about if your collection ever comes down with something nasty and you don’t feel like talking about it.

I hope you aren't even 1% sure about it .... this is stupid.

 

[ToshaMc]

Tosha did your buy ball pythons from Wyatt? Are you certain they are clean of any virus? Have you had them tested and if so for what? How can you know they are not carriers? I don't think anyone actually believes that you are questioning Jen for the good of community. The way you assume things and attack are far more personal than just trying to sort this out. I'm not sure what your hard on for Jen is about but maybe it has something to do with your relationship with Wyatt and her outting him? I don't know but judging by your posts I thought I would give assuming a try and gee it is kind of fun.

Yes - three years ago I bought a ball from Wyatt - as I have not had a single illness in my collection including those that have bred to said snake or have been in close contact with said snake - I am 100% sure that there is no illness in my collection. I also know 2 other people that have siblings to mine as well as others that had purchased from him in years previous - no illness - this obviously isn't something that can hide in several large collections undetected for years - it kills.

PS I have no "hard on" for Jen - My questions regarding her inconsistencies don't make me the bad guy. Her very own words and actions are what makes her look bad. I'm not one of those people that harasses others on the internet - I find her story both sad and pathetic - she didn't need to lie and deceive - but she that is what she chose to do - that's not my fault nor is it my problem. Nor will I give her a pass on it because I feel bad about her animals. This isn't personal by any stretch of the imagination.

Just so we are clear.... I didn't call her vet - I didn't talk to him about anything of a personal nature I didn't question him about what was happening to Jens collection - I emailed him and said that IMO the advice he had given to Jen (as posted on the internet by Jen) was irresponsible considering what she had just gone thru - that releasing animals into the community, considering, was premature. The only question I asked was a rhetorical "how can you be sure her collection is clean" type question - I didn't expect to receive any response and I certainly didn't expect for him to say he'd never said those things.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Just so we are clear.... I didn't call her vet - I didn't talk to him about anything of a personal nature I didn't question him about what was happening to Jens collection - I emailed him and said that IMO the advice he had given to Jen (as posted on the internet by Jen) was irresponsible considering what she had just gone thru - that releasing animals into the community, considering, was premature. The only question I asked was a rhetorical "how can you be sure her collection is clean" type question - I didn't expect to receive any response and I certainly didn't expect for him to say he'd never said those things.

Emailing him about his advice to her, or whatever it was, and talking about that IS personal. And not really your concern. ( do i personally care, in the end that you did? not really... its not my beef, im just here to point out what others might be thinking ) Fact of the matter is, it was not told TO you by him. Regardless if it was really true or not. I think that is the point others are trying to make.

It was not your place to email the vet to talk about advice that was not given to you.

Now, in my opinion, If you had emailed to ask SPECIFICALLY only about the virus, and jen never came up, save for maybe what inspiried you to ask in the first place "theres a girl that has said she is dealing with this through you, so i have a few questions about the virus in general, can you please elaborate on it for me" and he replied, and told you about the virus, that wouldnt be an issue ( in my eyes). But asking anything regarding if her collection MIGHT be clean, is personal. at least, i think so.


Now, if you had information that you could use to help prove your opinion that it is too soon to release those animals and prove they might still be sick, as i did with those IBD reports in Dan's thread ( and why i called a vet to ask what one would look for in the reports to know if a snake was positive) then go for that. Bringing the person up, and speaking about their collection, and the maybes involved in it though, is not right.

 

[reagorfu]

I hope you aren't even 1% sure about it .... this is stupid.

seriously, you think that if you KNOWINGLY pass a diseased off to someone and that person DID NOT know about the disease and it infected and destroyed his collection of animals you would not be liable? well, i am not sure where you find that to be stupid sir. do you feel this way because that crazy lady accused you of infecting her chameleon colony with the worms? i am not talking about that, so calm down. i'm talking about a legitamet claim.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Matthew,
Sorry for the smackdown, but if you want the legal argument, which is what you put forward, spend some money and talk to an attorney, and find all the true legal hurdles that need to be overcome here, as you truly are speaking out of your arse on this one. Saying that you are "not 100% sure" is true when one is only 1% sure (which is far more accurate in this instance), but also highly misleading to someone who reads here. Your post was nonsense. Criminal liability ? That is stupid. BTW, I am not 100% sure you are an idiot. See !

As for the other thread, on which you are also misinformed, the claim was that the animal had filarial worms. It did not, and the entity refused to post the vet reports that would have confirmed such. If I had any doubts about you being misinformed (I didn't), they would have been erased.

Ill-informed speculation can cause undue harm to others Matthew. Your words could have the effect of contributing to the belief that Jen's actions might even be criminal, and that is beyond absurd. In fact, IMMHO, it probably rates an ass-clown star. Now, go talk to an attorney, and watch the "almost 100%" shrink.