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JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

Hey, can I ask a question? I read this whole thing, almost as good as Stephen King. I first wanted to say how sorry I am for anyone who has gone through anything remotely close to this. Absolutely one of the worst moments in life is to lose a pet, and worse being the one to make that choice. Sadly, I also agree that having them put down was the best option for a breeder. Even if other animals do not become symptomatic, they may pass on a genetically weakened immune system, which can pop up later down the lines. Back to the question, where is the original email sent to the Dr. in Florida? I ask because knowing a few people in the professional field, and hearing them constantly talk about there insurance rates due to people filing claims, HIPA, and all the weird stuff people will say and do, fear can have them yapping double speak, or being as vague as possible to cover their ass. If the first email, as was actually stated, was sent in a manner that may have put him on the defense, and back track to not look bad at the end of this mess. Imagine a researcher opening up a threatening email, stating that their advice, or stated advice would be posted here, that they would need to come right over and fix their irresponsible mess, explain why they would ever state anything along the lines of safety, how someone would drag them through the mud, if they didn't explain themselves in full, blah blah blah. You really think the guy is going to jump up and say the full truth? Or say what may have been said as a side comment, someone who has a lot to lose in this type of situation. Is there anyway that the first email can be posted. I know people have asked in this thread a few times, but no one answered the question. Thanks
 
leasa said:
Even if other animals do not become symptomatic, they may pass on a genetically weakened immune system, which can pop up later down the lines.

And if you cut the tails off mice, they'll give birth to tailless mice.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, very funny Seamus! You are now the third Seamus I know! Although one is a hampster. I made the comment in respect to some virus'/diseases have caused genetic changes, that's all. I hate hearing anyone having to go through that, and at least knowing it was done for the better, and to save others/or animals from going through something like this hopefully may give a very small amount of good. Nothing would make something this horrible situation better, ever, but hopefully it was not done in vain. That's all.
 
The original email sent to Dr. Jacobsen:

Dear Dr. Jacobson,

I wanted to take a moment first to thank you for the work you are doing with Jennifer Harrison in regards to the OMPV breakout in her collection. I believe the more we know about this the greater the opportunity to eliminate the threat to our snake collections as a whole.

I do however have great concern about some of the advice that was give to her. Am I to understand that you believe that there is no longer a threat of the virus being in her collection? So much so that you would advise her to incubate eggs from infected parents and advise her to sell the offspring that were produced in the midst of a dying collection? In my opinion as someone that is in the industry this is irresponsible. I also understand that she has been brining new animals into the environment as she feels based upon your advise that it is safe - yet she is also saying that she is vaccinating each on that enters her collection - if her collection is now deemed "safe" why the need for the vaccinations? It's hardly been two months since the last one died is that really enough time to pass to ensure a clean collection?

I obviously am not a doctor - and don't have the full understanding of this but I don't understand how you could advise someone that has just had a collection of animals die, to go ahead and rebuild and release a bunch of animals into the community. Are you 100% certain that Jennifer properly cleaned her home of the virus? Are you 100% certain that these exposed animals aren't still harboring the virus or that they aren't asystematic carriers? From the latest updates from Jennifer - it seems that this might be something entirely new -- and yet she is giving the people the impression that you have absolute answers to the safeness of these animals.

Any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Tosha McClintock


Keep in mind that this was after Jen claimed repeatedly that he was OK with everything that she was doing and advising her all along -- before she admitted that all that was BS.

As well there are additional communications between myself and the Dr. which due to the Dr.s request as well as Jen's need for privacy I can't post.
 
Hit the submit button too soon ....

Anyway there are a few communication's between myself and the Dr. he was in no way defensive and was fairly forthcoming with thoughts and opinions on the matter.
 
Personally I'd much rather have a list of who bought from Wyatt and when Wyatt plans on going to Walmart or a Yard sale then worry about Jen and these 2 snakes anymore. Killing these 2 snakes I agree with..Me Feeling any safer her doing so nope!!!! I'll start feeling safer when the one who sold her the snake to start with is done and anybody else who bought from him when he had the infected snake. Which we all know that ain't ever going to happen. So why keep :deadhorse ??????
 
RJK890 said:
What exactly is your problem with my post in this thread?

Dont sell yourself short there, Robert. It is most of your posts in most threads you participate in that led me to that conclusion.
 
I never lied about anything. People just don't know how to read and comprehend things that I've written, or get everything confused and then make ASSumptions. There were 3 separate vets involved with this case over the last year, and people just ASSumed that the information I was basing decisions on came from Dr. Jacobson every single time. When I clarified that Dr. J. wasn't answering e-mails/phone calls and that my info was coming from the other two exotics veterinarians that were working on it, I was called a liar. :rolleyes: DAMN ME FOR TRUSTING A VET THAT WENT TO 8 YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL AND SPECIALIZED IN EXOTICS AND VIRUSES. I guess I should just live in paranoid fear and assume all doctors and vets are idiots and don't know anything and can never be trusted. Remind me next time I bring my daughter to her pediatrician that I should tell her she's wrong about everything and doesn't know jack. :rolleyes:

So now people are doubting that the other victims that were mentioned bought from Wyatt? How about the fact that THEY STATED THAT THEY DID, and Wyatt responded to both complaints, verifying that he did sell to them. How about the fact that I copied and pasted the e-mails between myself and them where they state the deaths they endured after recieving said animals from Wyatt? I can forward them to anyone that wants to read them for themselves.

Robert, ONE snake left my collection since this whole mess began -- ONE. He was adopted out before I or anyone else had any inkling of what was about to happen with my collection...before I or any of my vets had any thought that this wasn't just a regular bacterial RI. And when we did realize what we were possibly facing, I e-mailed the guy immediately to tell him what was going on so he could be sure to keep the animal in quarantine for longer and watch it closely. In regard to my marriage -- there were a lot of factors that led to our split. This virus thing was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

The racks went to someone with an auto shop that has never owned snakes, and are being used as parts storage. That's a hell of a lot better than taking up space in a landfill. It's bad enough that I sent 75 plastic tubs and all sorts of hides and water cup holders there because they were not recycleable -- and they're going to spend the next 500 years in that dump. And I'm sorry, but I'm not putting Spoon down. He was never sick at any point during this whole mess -- and still isn't. Could he be a carrier? Possibly. If you think that puts my mailman at risk (this made me laugh), then that's your own neurotic problem. Maybe I should start wearing a bio-suit when I go to work every day because some of my residents have hepatitis C and other very communicable diseases? Maybe I shouldn't drive my car ever again because there's a risk of someone nailing me at an intersection? Or maybe my cats, my dog, my rabbits, my daughter, and myself are all carriers since we've been living in this house day in and day out ever since the virus epidemic started? Maybe we should all be euthanized too and have our bodies burned? :ack2:

I don't care if some of you still think I'm a bad guy. I really don't. After everything I've gone through over the last year, and the fact that I am DONE in this hobby, it really doesn't matter any more. I'll never see or meet any of you, I don't participate on any forums related to reptiles any more (other than TSK because I am still the admin there), I never go to shows, and I'll never be doing business with anyone again. I asked people to try to help out my friends, because I didn't see any difference between me recieving an animal for free and it going to them instead. They lost out on animals and it wasn't fair, so I was trying to make things right. It had nothing to do with "covering my personal debt" because neither of them ever made me feel like I was indebted to them in the first place. But now I see that people only offered to donate animals because they knew I didn't want them and they wouldn't have to actually come through, but yet making the offer made them look good and earned them brownie points. No one actually wants to follow through. I originally asked that people sell the animals and put the money up to help out the cause as this virus affects everybody, or donate whatever amount of cash they could come up with -- and all sorts of people promised that they would, even moreso after I put down my collection as they "felt better" about it. But when it came down to it, NO ONE came through. Two have been extremely gracious enough to donate a little bit to me personally to help me out(Alicia and Lee, THANK YOU), but so many others made empty promises to get involved in finding answers. I don't care about my vet bills or my personal problems -- that's my issue to deal with, and while I gratefully accept help from whoever wants to give it, it isn't anyone's responsibility other than my own. BUT the research on this virus NEEDS to get done -- and regardless of what I do, or what has happened in this house, or whether you agree/disagree with my decisions/course of action, one fact remains: I got the ball rolling when no one else had yet, and we're farther along now than we ever were before. The virus still exists out there with an unknown number of other people. Considering that Wyatt had a very large collection and has since sold off everything he owned as well as all the racks and equipment, that number could be pretty damn high. These people still have animals, or have the racks and are housing their breeders in them, and have no intentions of putting them down or closing off their collections. Sooner or later, it is going to pop up again, and again, and again, and start spreading as animals are bred and babies that could be carriers are produced and sold. And you know what? There won't be a damn thing any of you can do to test for it or stop it, because all you did was make empty promises. Without the funds to pay for the research, the samples will just sit in a lab and no one will be working toward identifying it or developing a cure. So instead of continuing to attack me and nitpick crap that cannot be changed, put your money where your mouth is and help get this virus nailed down. If you don't, then you can't feel sorry for yourself if it pops up in your collection and you wind up exactly where I am right now.
 
deborahbroadus said:
She is a woman, most female decisions will be made out of impulse or emotion. Very rarely do we make logical decisions unless we have been trained to think that way. :

This is a truly harmful post. I think that as we get older, both genders learn to use logic and experience in decision making, that is what what learning and maturity are all about.

Women (and men) have fought this sort of prejudicial thinking for a long time. While some research shows that in some tests men and women tend to think in different ways, I think that Deborah's broad sweep of the female gender is not true.
 
You got screwed Jen~ I'm really sorry.

JenHarrison said:
But now I see that people only offered to donate animals because they knew I didn't want them and they wouldn't have to actually come through, but yet making the offer made them look good and earned them brownie points. No one actually wants to follow through.

have you considered that some peoples financial situation may have changed in the several months since offers you never even acknowledged were made? I offered you 1.1 week old healthy poss het pieds and to pay for shipping so you could test if that got sick by being exposed to your collection. It's what I had to offer and did not plan to keep 3 months ago. If you had asked me to hold onto those animals I would have. You didn't respond in anyway~ I didn't hold onto them. My financial situation is a bit tighter now, I did not produce some of the animals I was hoping to produce this year, and I've made myself a few other obligations in the last three months. I am considering keeping all the poss het pied females this year~ but if you pay shipping I will ship another 1.1 pair where ever you would like.
 
JenHarrison said:
But now I see that people only offered to donate animals because they knew I didn't want them and they wouldn't have to actually come through, but yet making the offer made them look good and earned them brownie points. No one actually wants to follow through.

Jen...I offered to send you an albino because I knew how much you loved your Maggie, and wanted to be able to help you get over her loss. The offer was made LONG before you made any hint at deciding to give it all up and not keep snakes anymore, and is still a sincere offer.

In the meantime, however, all of my albino clutches DIED IN THE EGG when my incubator got unplugged, and my entire bank account was cleaned out when someone stole my CC#. Am I looking for pity? No. I just don't have anything to give at this point, you of all folks here should understand that.

I just want you to stop and think before calling out those of us who have stuck by you and done our best to do what we could for you, and insinuating that all of us had less than honorable intentions in doing what we could to help out a friend.
 
JenHarrison said:
Robert, ONE snake left my collection since this whole mess began -- ONE. He was adopted out before I or anyone else had any inkling of what was about to happen with my collection...before I or any of my vets had any thought that this wasn't just a regular bacterial RI. And when we did realize what we were possibly facing, I e-mailed the guy immediately to tell him what was going on so he could be sure to keep the animal in quarantine for longer and watch it closely. In regard to my marriage -- there were a lot of factors that led to our split. This virus thing was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

I know we went over this in the middle of this thread but it was 2 snakes that had left your collection.
 
Jen -- if you never lied about anything -- why are there direct quotes from you saying that Dr. J told you this that and the other and then when he said he didn't tell you that - you say "I haven't spoken to him in 6 months". Why did you go back through all your posts on TSKs forum and delete or edit everything having to do with the sick animals? Why did you remove everything from your blog? Why did you say the racks were sold in July but have a post from Aug saying someone could drive up to pick up yours you are trying to sell? Hell why are you still trying to sell off reptile supplies? :shrug01:

It may just be me but that doesn't at all sound like someone that has been honest.
 
JenHarrison said:
But now I see that people only offered to donate animals because they knew I didn't want them and they wouldn't have to actually come through, but yet making the offer made them look good and earned them brownie points. No one actually wants to follow through.

I have rewrote this post 50 times trying not to get pissed but the more I type the angrier I am getting. How DARE you.... HOW DARE YOU piss in the face of the very people who only wanted to help you. You are an unappreciative, rude, inconsiderate, self pitying BITCH.

Now I will quote exactly what I offered you.... and like the others never got a single reply from you about it. So go fuck yourself.

shrap said:
If Jen is willing I will donate a male Ball when my eggs hatch so she can see if her remaining collection is truly clean of if they are carriers. That is the only way Jen is ever going to find our for herself (not for you Big Giant Ass Clown Monsters... she owes you people nothing), if her collection is truly clean now. Maybe a couple other folks can donate a male baby as well so we have a good test group.

If you want to do this Jen let me know. I am more than happy to help out. And I dont want any results or anything else from you. Just you finding out for your own peace of mind is good enough for me.

Now I am going to go spend the afternoon with a couple of REAL herpers, Jason Hess and Richard Prater, who know what friendship and generosity is truly about. As for you, you can go piss up a rope.
 
shrap said:
self pitying BITCH.

So go fuck yourself.



As for you, you can go piss up a rope.

:iagree:

Jen, I offerd YOU NOT TOMMY some animals. DID YOU ever contact me? NOPE!! So F off BITCH...........
 
Quote Shrap:
You are an unappreciative, rude, inconsiderate, self pitying BITCH. So go fuck yourself.
Wow, You need your mouth washed out with soap :rofl:.
I guess you are a :censored: Clown Monster now too.

Give the poor girl a break she has lost everything, has done more for this hobby than you will ever do, and has been totally honest all along :rolleyes:.
 
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