JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[RJK890]

Sorry Dennis,
I didn't see your post until after I submitted mine. I did censor my post, but would have censored Sammys quote if I had seen it.

 

[jasballs]

Let's take it easy with the profanity.

I was thinking about you Dennis. Thats why I wrote F of Bitch! Instead of FU Oh never mind you get it..

 

[johns6068]

How many of you sent not even a penny let alone $5 or $10 dollars...Wouldn't it be worth saving your own butts if it only took only $5 dollars out of your own pockets put towards this research she work so hard to start. Research that probably 99% of us would have never done if we where in the same boat as her. She is hurting for money she has made bad choice's because so...partly because she spent money on something to benefit this community who in returned has done nothing more then turn their backs on her. Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

JOHN

 

[leasa]

Some one made a good point. How many people have bought animals from this guy over the last few years? No one really knows if these animals are carriers or not. Even if they appear healthy, there is a chance they are still carriers, and no one really even knows when this first surfaced in his collection. There could have been deaths or problems prior to this coming out, and he just never said anything, until it became something that couldn't be hidden. That sucks.

 

[ToshaMc]

Some one made a good point. How many people have bought animals from this guy over the last few years? No one really knows if these animals are carriers or not. Even if they appear healthy, there is a chance they are still carriers, and no one really even knows when this first surfaced in his collection. There could have been deaths or problems prior to this coming out, and he just never said anything, until it became something that couldn't be hidden. That sucks.

Wyatt produced and sold thousands of snakes every year -- sure it's possible that if he had it for a while that there could be a lot of exposure and carriers -- but as is evident by Jens experience this cannot hide especially in large collections - if it had been there for a while it would have been killing of thousands upon thousands of animals by now. Unless of course under proper quarantine and care it really doesn't spread and infect like it did in Jens case.

 

[leasa]

True, but also true that the larger the group, the higher the chance that some carry instead of die. Plus, after reading this, even Jen's deaths were spread out, with several taking months or longer to show symptoms. Plus, her other snakes, prior to freezing, were acting healthy, either because they were, or because they just were not showing symptoms yet, or were carriers. T, you talk to the vet, what does he say for time line on this. Have they used a kill time line during their research? Have they found which practices have been able to kill this strain, or what causes it to mutate? Has he been able to give you any advice on prevention, or testing? Thanks in advance.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

How many of you sent not even a penny let alone $5 or $10 dollars...Wouldn't it be worth saving your own butts if it only took only $5 dollars out of your own pockets put towards this research she work so hard to start. Research that probably 99% of us would have never done if we where in the same boat as her. She is hurting for money she has made bad choice's because so...partly because she spent money on something to benefit this community who in returned has done nothing more then turn their backs on her. Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

JOHN

Yeah, OK. This post isn't angry but my perspective. I've donated to a lot of people and causes over the years and was very glad I did so even when the outcome of what happened with the funds was not what has advertised or even suspected at the beginning.
Each person weighs a situation and decides if they wish to contribute to such a "cause". If they choose not to there is no shame. To attempt to shame those who didn't contribute to this situation and its particulars, well, I can think of some colorful words that Sammy used but I will refrain. As mentioned many offered varies things. Sorry, if it wasn't always cold hard cash.

I weighed the situation after the first thread (Wyatt's thread) and Jen's initial post about contributing to her Vet Bill. Posted on 12-10-2007.

Five or Six days after she made that post she made another about purchasing more animals. As far as I'm concerned, I thought the priorities were not inline with what I thought was appropriate. I wouldn't have the nerve to ask anyone to help to contribute to such a situation and state how expensive it is, welcome donations, then actively seeks out to purchase more animals. Just my opinion. So, I stopped reading about the donation requests soon after and didn't even know that she later asked for donations to be sent to the researching Vets until recently.

By the way, what about the animals being housed at the Vet Tech's house?
What happen to them?

 

[Serafim]

How many of you sent not even a penny let alone $5 or $10 dollars...Wouldn't it be worth saving your own butts if it only took only $5 dollars out of your own pockets put towards this research she work so hard to start. Research that probably 99% of us would have never done if we where in the same boat as her. She is hurting for money she has made bad choice's because so...partly because she spent money on something to benefit this community who in returned has done nothing more then turn their backs on her. Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

JOHN

So John tell us... How much have you donated to this cause? Nobody has turned their back on Jen. I still think she is a good gal. I just choose not to get sucked into this thread. The back and forth is solving nothing. I never said I would send a dime or said I would send animals. I am a hobbyist breeder and do not have extra animals to spare. But if jen really needed something I had,I would gladly give it to her. Same goes for anyone else sitting in Jens shoes.

 

[ToshaMc]

True, but also true that the larger the group, the higher the chance that some carry instead of die. Plus, after reading this, even Jen's deaths were spread out, with several taking months or longer to show symptoms. Plus, her other snakes, prior to freezing, were acting healthy, either because they were, or because they just were not showing symptoms yet, or were carriers. T, you talk to the vet, what does he say for time line on this. Have they used a kill time line during their research? Have they found which practices have been able to kill this strain, or what causes it to mutate? Has he been able to give you any advice on prevention, or testing? Thanks in advance.

At the time I emailed the Dr. he was fairly clear that at that point he had "no idea what to expect from the new virus". He offered up some background and theories based on other cases viruses, etc. but made it clear that they were just that and until further research was done the bottom line was we just don't know.

 

[johns6068]

Serafirm, Dennis

Serafirm...As of right now I have sent $100 I gave to the area where she made the request to have help given.

Dennis....Yeah anyone can find a reason here not to donate. Heck I can myself (lol) But it takes a real perosn to help another out even when they have made mistakes and not just walk away or spit on them(colorful language) or turn thier backs. I wasn't trying to make people feel shameful. The shame one feels is from choices he or she made themselves. Not what another person can impose on them. If one did nothing wrong he or she will feel no shame I have never felt any shame nor should anyone else in this matter =) Unless... I won't go there =)

I'm not here to make enemies. I will be here to help the next person out who falls in the same spot as Jen did. No matter how colorful thier language was or thoughts was Cause I'm affraid we haven't seen the last of this virus.

This all being said I decided not to bring this topic up anymore on here cause my intentions where never to force anyone to help. I was simply trying to explain where she needed help. So many seem to be stray as to where it is needed. I've done my part and will continue to help and stay in contact with Jen. I just don't want things here getting worse then they have already because of something I said. I value and want to respect the choices of those who choose what ever they want to do in this matter =) I would say I'm sorry to those who feel shameful from what I said...but it wouldn't make sense with the first part of this to Dennis (lol)Sorry=( I hope to contiue to be on good terms with you all. I'm Sorry if you feel we can't be =(

JOHN

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Serafirm, Dennis

Serafirm...As of right now I have sent $100 I gave to the area where she made the request to have help given.

Dennis....Yeah anyone can find a reason here not to donate. Heck I can myself (lol) But it takes a real perosn to help another out even when they have made mistakes and not just walk away or spit on them(colorful language) or turn thier backs. I wasn't trying to make people feel shameful. The shame one feels is from choices he or she made themselves. Not what another person can impose on them. If one did nothing wrong he or she will feel no shame I have never felt any shame nor should anyone else in this matter =) Unless... I won't go there =)

I'm not here to make enemies. I will be here to help the next person out who falls in the same spot as Jen did. No matter how colorful thier language was or thoughts was Cause I'm affraid we haven't seen the last of this virus.

This all being said I decided not to bring this topic up anymore on here cause my intentions where never to force anyone to help. I was simply trying to explain where she needed help. So many seem to be stray as to where it is needed. I've done my part and will continue to help and stay in contact with Jen. I just don't want things here getting worse then they have already because of something I said. I value and want to respect the choices of those who choose what ever they want to do in this matter =) I would say I'm sorry to those who feel shameful from what I said...but it wouldn't make sense with the first part of this to Dennis (lol)Sorry=( I hope to contiue to be on good terms with you all. I'm Sorry if you feel we can't be =(

JOHN

John, nobody shameful here. You used the word shame and nowhere did I state that I or others are.

Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

Simply stating that people have their reasons for donating or not. Your above post about choice is much different than the first.

Originally Posted by johns6068
How many of you sent not even a penny let alone $5 or $10 dollars...Wouldn't it be worth saving your own butts if it only took only $5 dollars out of your own pockets put towards this research she work so hard to start. Research that probably 99% of us would have never done if we where in the same boat as her. She is hurting for money she has made bad choice's because so...partly because she spent money on something to benefit this community who in returned has done nothing more then turn their backs on her. Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

JOHN

Have a good one.

 

[David Reid]

I think Jen has pounded the last nail in her own Reptile related coffin.

I think people were more than willing to help her rebuild her collection if that is what she wanted to do, after putting down her animals. This topic/thread came back to the top of the BOI yesterday, at least that is when I saw it, might have even been Friday. My wife and I went out to dinner, and actually it was a topic of conversation-about 5 min worth, but still, I told my wife the Cliff Notes version of things, and that I was thinking about sending a Pastel that I just hatched, to Jen. I did not know if she was taking in animals, but I was going to come back over the weekend, and finish reading the thread, and maybe post about adding to the Ball fund for Jen. The Pastel turned out to be female, which was cool, because I figured alot of people would be sending surplus males. Well, I read pages 98 or so and 99, and to say the least, was dissapointed in how Jen spoke about people "not sending her things." I am sure there are a multitude of reasons, but had Jen made in known, through friends or just through her posts, that she was ready to start taking in Balls to build up her collection, I am sure she would have had a few, or more, people offer animals. After her recent posts, I am sure the free snakes to Jen movement has pretty much screeched to a halt. Unfortunate? Not sure, but I would not send her anything after reading her posts the last few days.

As far as sending money to a vet to investigate an unknown virus, come on! Maybe a big breeder, maybe someone who is independently wealthy might do something, but I would probably find a better home for my $10, $50, or $100 donation.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

But when it came down to it, NO ONE came through. Two have been extremely gracious enough to donate a little bit to me personally to help me out(Alicia and Lee, THANK YOU),

Guess that burned you up enough you had to toot your own horn since she didn't?

As of right now I have sent $100 I gave to the area where she made the request to have help given.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

How many of you sent not even a penny let alone $5 or $10 dollars...Wouldn't it be worth saving your own butts if it only took only $5 dollars out of your own pockets put towards this research she work so hard to start. Research that probably 99% of us would have never done if we where in the same boat as her. She is hurting for money she has made bad choice's because so...partly because she spent money on something to benefit this community who in returned has done nothing more then turn their backs on her. Shame on you all who done so!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah the truth hurts and that's why I expect there is so many angry reactions here from you guys as to when she basically called you guys out. Good for her

JOHN

I have been in Jens postion before, infact almost exactly, from the loss of my whole collection, my freedom, and then my marriage. I lost it all and at no time did I ever feel that the reptile comunity owed me anything.

My arrest has no bearing on this thread, however, I walked that hall way alone when others in this community could have been in the same trouble. I made the mistake of not understanding all of the legalities involved, I payed the price for that.

I made the same quarantine mistakes as Jen and I walked those animals to the freezer. I had many offers of free snakes to restart my collection and every single one was turned down.

And the same as Jen, the euthanization of my collection coupled by my arrest was too much for my ex to handle....he divorced me. I am no marter, nor should Jen be seen as one, nor Pete Kahl or any other keepers who have been through the same or worse. I own my mistakes, I have excepted them, have learned from them and it took some time but healed from them.

 

[leasa]

Nice Laura. Well written, honest. I am at a loss for words.

 

[Serafim]

Nice Laura. Well written, honest. I am at a loss for words.

Laura has that affect on people ~wink wink~

but seriously I agree great post Laura

 

[johns6068]

Yeah, OK. This post isn't angry but my perspective. I've donated to a lot of people and causes over the years and was very glad I did so even when the outcome of what happened with the funds was not what has advertised or even suspected at the beginning.
Each person weighs a situation and decides if they wish to contribute to such a "cause". If they choose not to there is no shame. To attempt to shame those who didn't contribute to this situation and its particulars, well, I can think of some colorful words that Sammy used but I will refrain. As mentioned many offered varies things. Sorry, if it wasn't always cold hard cash.

I weighed the situation after the first thread (Wyatt's thread) and Jen's initial post about contributing to her Vet Bill. Posted on 12-10-2007.

Five or Six days after she made that post she made another about purchasing more animals. As far as I'm concerned, I thought the priorities were not inline with what I thought was appropriate. I wouldn't have the nerve to ask anyone to help to contribute to such a situation and state how expensive it is, welcome donations, then actively seeks out to purchase more animals. Just my opinion. So, I stopped reading about the donation requests soon after and didn't even know that she later asked for donations to be sent to the researching Vets until recently.

By the way, what about the animals being housed at the Vet Tech's house?
What happen to them?

Dennis I don't know what qualfies a person to one of your ranking on here. I do belive I see "shame" in YOUR statement correct me if I'm wrong?????

 

[johns6068]

Guess that burned you up enough you had to toot your own horn since she didn't?

Again people who can't read a few post back...I was asked what I have done you.....!!!!

 

[Serafim]

Dennis I don't know what qualfies a person to one of your ranking on here. I do belive I see "shame" in YOUR statement correct me if I'm wrong?????

Dude what is your definition of shame?

 

[Serafim]

And for the record John. You are doing nothing to help Jen with your posts.