Jim Stevens ( Cages N Constrictors ) Inquiry

[odatria]

Dont look here, as there is nothing to see!

Jim Stevens is a real person with his own reptiles, etc. It looks like he's in the process of moving to California, hense the phone number and address confusion.

So move along folks, nothing to see here. LOL!

I checked with a friend of mine who runs a reptile store about 3 miles from the Santa Fe address and he said the name of the store that closed was NOT Cages N Constrictors. Now that I have a little sleep I can think a little more clearly.

What I do think is odd is that Sybella mentioned that he is in the process of moving to California and that is why he has a Florida Cell number. The problem is that he has been selling cages for many, many months on KS for pick up in San Bernardino.



Now for the good part!

Josh Burm Guy posted his home AND rat breeding facility for sale a few weeks ago. I inquired and recieved the following responces via Fauna Classifieds private messages. I have arranged the order from first message to last to make it easier to understand.

odatria wrote on 04-11-2004 01:24 AM:
Where is the house?

Email me @ [email protected]

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Josh Burm Guy wrote on 04-11-2004 12:19 PM:
Hi Mike,
The house/property is in San Bernardino California. Where are you located? If you are in California you are most welcome to come and see it and the rat operation. Thanks, Damon

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odatria wrote on 04-11-2004 09:18 AM:
I lived in Loma Linda until about 3 years ago and have been looking to move back down there for a while. I now live in Bakersfield. I had heard that you lived in the I.E. and thought I would inquire about your place. Where exactly is it located? That would at least save me the trip if it is in a neighborhood I do not want to live in (like Muscoy!) LOL. Anyway, let me know the physical address so I can look it up on mapquest before I make the trip.

Thanks.

Mike


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Re: Rat House
Hi Mike,
I am only a couple of miles North of Loma Linda not too far from the 10 and 215 freeway junction. It is the city of San Bernardino. I live on a dead end street and only have one adjacent neighbor. It's very quiet and nice and the family next to me is a good one with decent, hard working people.
Thanks Mike


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In my first PM I asked him to email me and he wouldnt. I then asked for the physical Address and he never gave me that either so I didnt contact him again. If you are selling reptiles, I dont blame you for not giving your address. But if you are selling a house, and you wont give the address something is wrong. After the last PM he sent me I once again asked for the physical address and he never responded back.

So, which is it? Is he moving TO California, or AWAY from California? I think the above correspondence proves that not only does he already live here, but he owns property here. Not to mention a Rat breeding business. And also a cage building business.

HMMMMMMMMMM.

Looks like the confusion of the address and phone number is worth looking into.

 

[Sybella]

Ugh! This is maddening!

You are right, Odatria. Cages N Constrictors HAS been selling cages for a long time. But, what I said was true...Jim Stevens is in the process of moving from Florida to California because he is buying Damon's property, with the business along with it. So yes, Cages N Constrictors is indeed in San Bernadino but it is the process of title transfer to Jim Stevens. This is why Jim is now using the Cages N Constrictor KS classified account, and since the rule is one account per business or individual (owner), there is no TOS breach...unless he decides to back out of the deal because of all this garbage. Lastly, Jim, from what I can tell, is a good guy and I know he does not need his named sullied by Damon's reputation. Now, can we drop this??

As I said, move along folks...there's nothing here to see.

 

[Wilomn]

If he is buying brian/damon/josh's business and he does NOT know of the reputation he is associating himself with, that is WRONG.

He has EVERY right to know what kind of person he is buying a business from and what that persons reputation is.

There is PLENTY to see here and ALL parties should be made aware of it.

Wes Pollock

 

[HerpVenue]

Yes, absolutely ill-spirited and condescending.
I was ill spirited and condascending.....got it

Get real. Who are you to send him a "pat on the back?"
1. know it is no longer ill spirited or condascending....it is now a pat on the back
2. I am a concerend herper who would honestly like everyone to get along and everyone to succeed in this business............HONESTLY. I would rather have them as good guys than kick them out as bad guys.

don't buy for a second that you were trying to be NICE to him!
now my ill spirited condascending letter was trying to be nice.

You wanted to get a rise out of him so you can attempt to make him look bad yet again and you did. Congratulations.

Yeah I was trying to get a rise out of him by saying he has been doing a good job.
I guess that is how things work in your neck of the woods.
Hey Randy, good job on conveying your thoughts well. keep it up. I only wish I can do the same.. (lets see if Randy gets a rise out of that one)

LOL! Don't fish for something that isn't there, Ritchie. Look back at your 4th post in this thread. This ceased being about Jim Stevens and morphed into a "gang up on Damon" thread in that post alone.
fourth post !!!!!!!!
but you said this thread was started to specifically bash Damon.
Now you are saying it did not become a bash damon thread until the fourth post.
You are getting confusing with your double talk.

You throw out insults and accusations all the time, some of which can easily be taken as "veiled threats."
Let me get this straight.... in your world
1. saying good job is condascending and ill spirited.
2. in your world insluts and accusations are veiled threats.

Veiled = hidden
threats = An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.
An indication of impending danger or harm.

him saying deal with it when the tie comes
him paying money to find information on all these people.
his signature which quote gangis khan that says half of his enemies are dead,,,,,he has yet to meet the other half.
You ad all those together and you can pretty much see threats.

no insult...just my opinion. You need to look up these words that you use.

From: "Ritchie" [email protected]
To:
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:35:58 -0500
I have not heard a negative thing about you.
this was a fact.

OBVIOUSLY you are doing good business.
this is my opinion.................nothing ill-spirited or condascending
Keep it up.
nothing ill-spirited or condascending here. Unless he never misrepresented his animals..... unless he never lied about their whereabouts....unless he never lied about their "disease"

It is good to see someone that was labeled as "shady" turn things around.
nothing ill-spirited or condascending here. Unless he never misrepresented his animals..... unless he never lied about their whereabouts....unless he never lied about their "disease"

I am truly elated.
in my world it means I am truly happy. In your world.....well I guess it means something different.

I know some people think I just look for the bad in people.
But it is really quite the opposite.
Me saying i do not look for just the bad in people.....me saying that I do see and look for the good stuff....nothing ill-spirited or condasecending here.

good luck and happy herping.
me whishing him good luck and happy herping from the bottom of my heart.
=======================
Ritchie Luna
www.RitchieReptiles.com


if it was really i-ll spirited and condascending like you say.....
why did he tell me to quit trying to be nice?

This is why Jim is now using the Cages N Constrictor KS classified account, and since the rule is one account per business or individual (owner), there is no TOS breach...unless he decides to back out of the deal because of all this garbage.
1. he has not bought the business yet
2. look below

You may NOT post advertisements for other businesses or individuals, regardless of whether they are friends or family members. This account is established in the name of a SINGLE ENTITY. If more than one person is found to be using a single account without prior permission, that account will be IMMEDIATELY TERMINATED with no notice or warning. If a person OTHER than the one listed in the registration form is found using the account the account will be terminated. Anyone found violating this rule is committing Theft of Service and may be prosecuted as such.

The person listed is Damon / Brian............NOT Jim

If this account is registered under a business name, the owner of the business must be listed, and NOT an employee.

The name in the registry is Damon or Brian...............NOT jim

This ceased being about Jim Stevens and morphed into a "gang up on Damon" thread in that post alone.

as aforementioned you stated this thread was specifically made to bang up on brian / damon

Jim Stevens is in the process of moving from Florida to California because he is buying Damon's property, with the business along with it. So yes, Cages N Constrictors is indeed in San Bernadino but it is the process of title transfer to Jim Stevens. This is why Jim is now using the Cages N Constrictor KS classified account, and since the rule is one account per business or individual (owner), there is no TOS breach...unless he decides to back out of the deal because of all this garbage.

And lets say since he buys the business he is allowed to post.......
lets say that for arguements sake.
Well ytou just said yourself he is in the PROCESS.
meaning he has not bought it.
he does not own it.
two people used those ads.

 

[DAND]

Now, I am done here. Unless I get "called out" to denfend myself again, I'm done arguing with you. See ya!

You were not "called out" to denfend yourself, yet here you are one post later defending Damon. Are you his offical spokesperson? Or are you one of these people who just want the truth to be known?

 

[HerpVenue]

Now, I am done here. Unless I get "called out" to denfend myself again, I'm done arguing with you. See ya!

This thread was started on Jm stevens.
In the forth post it became about Brian.

Now you are saying we called you out.

are you therefore saying you really are Brian?
Because nothing in this thread metnioned you until you came along.

 

[Sybella]

No, Dand. I'm just a friend of Damon's. I'm the type who doesn't like to see his friends lynched and can't sit by while it is going on. I'd do the same for you if I knew you.

About me being "called out," anyone can see that if I post with an opinion that contradicts a few outspoken people around here, my words get nit-picked and I get questioned further. In effect, if I try to set the record straight, I get "called out."

For example, look at what happened when I said "threads were started about Damon twice..." (or something like that) and Ritchie claimed that this thread was originally supposed to be about Jim. But, that's really not true. He also asked about Cages N Constrictors so he did ask about Damon in the FIRST post. Therefore, this IS the second thread about him. But if he wants to try to claim that it wasn't about Damon, why the heck are we talking about Damon 6 pages later??? LMAO!!


Ritchie, while you're looking up word definitions, go back and look up "condescending." No, here...I'll just do it for you. I've got a few seconds.

con·de·scend ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knd-snd)
intr.v. con·de·scend·ed, con·de·scend·ing, con·de·scends
1. To descend to the level of one considered inferior; lower oneself. See Synonyms at stoop
2. To deal with people in a patronizingly superior manner.

As I said, who are you to give him a "pat on the back?" You can try to deny it all you want but you did come across in a "patrionizing superior manner," which was without doubt, rude. So, sorry...I still don't buy that there was anything NICE about that email. And, please...could you spell condescending correctly from now on?

Regarding the transfer of title on property or businesses, I guess you don't have experience with large transactions to know how these things work. When you put down your money and sign the contract, you "own" it but there's still a legal process invovled. Just with buying a car, there's still paper work to file that can take several weeks or more. When buying a business the transfer of title can take several months, not to mention escrow on a house. You can't just decide to buy a business and house one day and fully own it the next.

 

[Wilomn]

Regarding the transfer of title on property or businesses, I guess you don't have experience with large transactions to know how these things work. When you put down your money and sign the contract, you "own" it but there's still a legal process invovled. Just with buying a car, there's still paper work to file that can take several weeks or more. When buying a business the transfer of title can take several months, not to mention escrow on a house. You can't just decide to buy a business and house one day and fully own it the next. [/B]

Actually sybella, you're wrong.

Until the title transfer is registered by the title and escrow company and the county recorder has RECORDED it, the property is still OWNED by the selling party, not the BUYER.

Same for a business, until the transfre is properly and LEGALLY recorded, there is NO transfer.

Ritchie would be condescending if he had ONLY done this to brian/damon/josh. He did not single out your friend. He does this to others as well to let them know that he has SINCERE good wishes for them.

Why, once again, are YOU and ONLY YOU defending brian/damon/josh? He seems to have a hard time speaking up for himself. Too busy trying to figure out what he's going to do with all the information on "the other half" he hasn't met yet, I suppose.

I think you were a little out of line on this one and a little patronizing/condescending yourself towards Ritchie.

Wes Pollock

 

[DAND]

Anyone know a Jim Stevens from Cages N Constrictors ? [email protected]


Someone was asking me some info about this guy and I have never heard of him.

I do see that he has ads on KS and those ads seem familiar to me....
but for some reason I have been having problems piecing things together lately.


Any good or bad experiences?

Sybella,

Nowhere does this first post inquire about Damon. Because Jim is using the "Cages N Constrictors" account does not make it an inquiry to Damon, because per your own post:

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Cages N Constrictors is indeed in San Bernadino but it is the process of title transfer to Jim Stevens. This is why Jim is now using the Cages N Constrictor KS classified account
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it's Jim's business, not Damon's anymore and therefore there was no need for you to come to Damon's aid since the inquiry was to a business he no longer owns.

Please correct me if I have "nit-picked" any of your words or have caused you to feel "called out" in doing such.

FYI you may not want to criticize someone's spelling when you misspell words also. Maybe you should proof read your own posts instead of Ritchie's.

 

[HerpVenue]

But, that's really not true. He also asked about Cages N Constrictors so he did ask about Damon in the FIRST post.

Okay okay you are absolutely right.
even though I forgot who cages and constrictors was....
the fact that I asked about them means I asked about Damon.
Because Damon is the owner of cages n constrictors

So Cages n Constrictors = Damon / Brian

Regarding the transfer of title on property or businesses, I guess you don't have experience with large transactions to know how these things work. When you put down your money and sign the contract, you "own" it but there's still a legal process invovled.

okay now Cages n Constrictors = Jim

In one post you say I asked about Brian because I asked about cages n constrictors. After all Brian owns cages n constrictors
In the same EXACT post you say JIM owns cages n constrictors..

As I said, who are you to give him a "pat on the back?"

You are absolutely right. I am no body. I should not care that people are doing good or bad.
And if I think someone has changed or is doing a good job. Who the hell am I to tell them so. Sh!t why is the board of Inquiry here?
Who the heck are all these people voicing out their good and bad experiences. Take this D@mn board down.

oh wait a minute.
Who are you to tell me who I can write to?



and to say again.
how can you say by asking about cages n constrictors....means I asked about Brian....
Then turn around and say Jim owns cages n constrictors.

hurry back peddle

patronizingly

Patronizing \Pa"tron*i`zing\, a. Showing condescending favor; assuming the manner of airs of a superior toward another.

The english language is so complicated.
You tell someone good job and all of a sudden you are patronizing them.
Damn...I wonder what my soldiers think when they do a good job and I tell them they did a good job.

oh I get it.
If they do a good job and it is deserved......then yes I can tell them good job.

But when someone does not do a good job and has not changed and definately does NOT deserve the praise......
then telling them good job is patronizing them.

someone tell me if I got it down now.

 

[DAND]

BINGO!

oh I get it.
If they do a good job and it is deserved......then yes I can tell them good job.

But when someone does not do a good job and has not changed and definately does NOT deserve the praise......
then telling them good job is patronizing them.

someone tell me if I got it down now.

Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.

See Ritchie, it's your fault for not knowing he really hadn't changed his ways. How dare you give him the benefit of the doubt and think he had become a functional part of any society.

 

[HerpVenue]

See Ritchie, it's your fault for not knowing he really hadn't changed his ways. How dare you give him the benefit of the doubt and think he had become a functional part of any society.

yeah shame on me.
I was feeling rather peaceful that day.
not much going on on the BOI... I thought for a second the herp world will start coming together today. I will reach out and help it get along much faster.
I have reached out a couple of times before....I can certainly do it again.

Mathew Martin accepted my olive Branch.....I believe he is doing quite well now.
mario threw it back in my face.......must have backfired...his website seems to be gone.
Then this guy......basically looking for info so he can send out his hitmen.

makes me wonder what would happen when I try and reach out to Jesse Underhill

 

[Dr Owens]

An applicable parable...

yeah shame on me.
I was feeling rather peaceful that day.
not much going on on the BOI... I thought for a second the herp world will start coming together today. I will reach out and help it get along much faster.
I have reached out a couple of times before....I can certainly do it again.

Mathew Martin accepted my olive Branch.....I believe he is doing quite well now.
mario threw it back in my face.......must have backfired...his website seems to be gone.
Then this guy......basically looking for info so he can send out his hitmen.

makes me wonder what would happen when I try and reach out to Jesse Underhill

The Frog and the Scorpion

There was a flood and a scorpion got stuck on an island. There was no way the scorpion was able to escape the water. So he needed to be saved and fast too. While he was looking for a way to get off the island, this frog came swimming by in the stream. "Hey frog", the scorpion said,"could you help me out and bring me to the shoreline, please? The frog replied: Help you? How can I do that?" "Well," the scorpion answered to the frog,"That's pretty easy. You swim over here and I climb on your back. You swim to the shoreline and I'll be safe". "Ha!", the frog said "I know you guys too well. You will sting me." "Are you kidding?" the scorpion returned,"That would kill us both. You by my stinger and I will drown, cause I can't swim". The frog had to think about this for awhile and finally he agreed. He came over to the island and the scorpion climbed on the frog's back. Just as the frog was in the middle of this stream, the scorpion stung the frog in his back. The frog felt this terrible pain in his back and he felt how his energy was flowing away as he was dying. "Why did you do that, scorpion? Now we'll both die". "Well", the scorpion answered,"that's my nature. - Author Unknown

 

[Sybella]

Cute story, Jay. That poor frog...but I guess that's what he gets for not getting to know who he was dealing with. Anyone can say what they want. It's up to you to filter and compare.

Okay okay you are absolutely right.
even though I forgot who cages and constrictors was....
the fact that I asked about them means I asked about Damon.
Because Damon is the owner of cages n constrictors

So Cages n Constrictors = Damon / Brian

okay now Cages n Constrictors = Jim

In one post you say I asked about Brian because I asked about cages n constrictors. After all Brian owns cages n constrictors
In the same EXACT post you say JIM owns cages n constrictors..

Are you purposely being dense?? LOL!! All along I've said that Jim was in the process of buying it and moving to California. I even went through a lengthy discussion about the legal process taking time. Obviously, since Cages N Constrictors is Damon's business that Jim is buying, the inquiry is asking about both of them. I hope that clears up any misunderstandings. LOL!!

And Wes, when you said I was wrong about owning property and title transfers, I think you missed the quotation marks on the word "own." But, thanks for the clarification.

The english language is so complicated.
You tell someone good job and all of a sudden you are patronizing them.
Damn...I wonder what my soldiers think when they do a good job and I tell them they did a good job.

< snippity, snip >

someone tell me if I got it down now.

Nope, sorry...you still don't. The big difference between what you did to Damon and the above example is relationship. If you are one's better, it's fine to tell them what kind of job they are doing. But, you are NOT Damon's better, you are his peer. Had you said a mere, "Good job," it might have been complimentary. BUT that wasn't all you said and you well know it.

originally posted by DAND FYI you may not want to criticize someone's spelling when you misspell words also. Maybe you should proof read your own posts instead of Ritchie's.

That's too funny!! DAND, if I spell something wrong 6 or 8 times when it is spelled correctly right in front of my face just as many times, please do tell me!! Goodness! If it was a snake...LMAO!!


Now, I've already said I was done with this. You've asked questions and I tried to help out by offering some answers, which was my initial reason for participating in this thread. (Then, came the lynching. <sigh>) But, I have no interest in continuing this argument so if you try to get me to defend myself again, I wont. I am done here.

Have a great day!!

 

[HerpVenue]

Are you purposely being dense?? LOL!! All along I've said that Jim was in the process of buying it and moving to California. I even went through a lengthy discussion about the legal process taking time. Obviously, since Cages N Constrictors is Damon's business that Jim is buying, the inquiry is asking about both of them. I hope that clears up any misunderstandings. LOL!!
.

Me being dense?
Cages and constrictors is owned by Brian / Damon.
So only Brian / Damon should be posting ads.

Cages N constrictors is being bought by Jim. In fact you said he owns it... then why say Brian owns it.

It is either one guy owns it and not the other.

Actually good back peddle....but your going around in circles.
Brian owns it.
Jim is in the process of buying it....so he owns it.

Come on.... make up your mind. Who owns it?

I ask about Jim and Cages N constrictors and you say I asked about Brian. But you just said Jim owns it.

Oh i get it. Brian owns it when it works for your arguement.
Then Jim owns it when it works for that.

wishy washy wishy washy.

In the words of a wanna be president.
I voted for it.....right before I voted against it.

If you are one's better, it's fine to tell them what kind of job they are doing. But, you are NOT Damon's better, you are his peer.

I am not allowed to tell my peers what a good job they do. Got it.

Had you said a mere, "Good job," it might have been complimentary. BUT that wasn't all you said and you well know it.

I also said he was doing good business (guess I was wrong?). So no telling someone good business....got it.

I also said it was nice to see someone that everyone labeled as shady turn things around. Last time I checked he was labeled as shady (or maybe I do not know how to read)

But, I have no interest in continuing this argument so if you try to get me to defend myself again, I wont. I am done here.

That is what happens when you are wishy washy.
Jim owns it because it works for your arguemnt.
Jim owns it so I can defend the reason for him using the account.

Brian owns it because it works for my arguement.
Brian owns it because I want to show that you started the thread to specifically attack him.


You know what? You figured out how my mind works.
guy A and guy B had no connection in my mind.
But I will post about guy A because I want to attack guy B.

Jay. That poor frog...but I guess that's what he gets for not getting to know who he was dealing with.

In other words I should not be nice to damon.....because it is his nature to be the way he is. It is his nature to threaten. it is his nature to hunt people down. it is his nature to curse out people who try and be nice to him. I see his nature now. Thank you.
And they say the death of his "best friend" was accidental.

Thgose who know or begin to know his nature ......they know the REAL story don't they?



your right. it is over.

This thread now shows Damons true self and his "true nature"(even though it was started innocently enough).................
I should have asked that person to post and ask and investigate it by themselves. But oh well. See what I get for trying to help out and trying to ask?

This thread also shows that you will say whatever it is that will help you with your arguement. Even if it means changing your story.

have a good night <------shoot !!!!! I wonder if I am allowed to say that?

 

[HerpVenue]

I am just not getting it. I can't believe I dont get it.


Brian owns it.....so asking about cages n constrictors is like asking about brian.

But Jim is in the process of buying it. Once you sign the papers and put a down.....it is as good as yours. In other words Jim owns it. that is why he can post using cages n constrictors account.



now I will quote myself

Brian owns it

In other words Jim owns it.

okay they both own it.

 

[HerpVenue]

Don't bother answering to my dribble.

Everything will be settled once Kingsnake gets back to me.

either I will be wrong............. or Brian / Damon / Josh / Jim will be wrong.

 

[GinoInDaBronx]

damon

Hi BOI,

Hey look! The intellectually-challenged sybella (not her
real name-it's michelle) is back! I dont think that I
can manage to comment monosyllabically on this
one, so she will have to get any 3 year old to explain
it to her.

And Ritchie, I am certain that you are right about
sybella and damon. she just snaps everytime
something is said about him. she is just way too
naive for her own good. Some people....

So damon is looking for us? And he wants the
people not to email him the info, but rather to phone
him with it. Do all honest and decent people act
like this? It sounds like criminal intent to me. Can
someone phone lawson, whitefeather or eisenman
to get some clarification on this?

Oh yeah, I doubt damon will move out of CA. His PO
will want him close.

 

[DAND]

Maybe someone should contact the Department of Corrections and inform his PO of his inquiry to persons whereabouts endeavor.

 

[Sybella]

Re: damon

Hi BOI,

Hey look! The intellectually-challenged sybella (not her
real name-it's michelle) is back! I dont think that I
can manage to comment monosyllabically on this
one, so she will have to get any 3 year old to explain
it to her.

And Ritchie, I am certain that you are right about
sybella and damon. she just snaps everytime
something is said about him. she is just way too
naive for her own good. Some people....

LOLOLOLOL!! Nice one, Gino.