Joe Haggard aka joepythons ALL BAD

[kmurphy]

Wes I can't believe that is took to post #62 for you to comment. You must be getting slow in your old age.lol

Michael, with posts that start with sentences similar to the one above you're destined to become part of the problem rather than of the of the solution.

I believe the gist of your post was that this thread represents what you feel is wrong with the BOI. Your posts are difficult to read so I stopped about half way through. But I have to disagree.

Al was a little hot under the collar but rightfully so IMO. Joe appears to be someone who cannot mind his own business and someone who I would never let in on any private information. So I've learned that he is someone to avoid, as is Ed Clark. Which also came out on this thread. So there you have it, 1 up two down. The BOI works.

 

[frankykeno]

Ed, i thank you.I think Al is upset because everyone is shutting Andre down from selling those 2 sick snakes.Its funny the ONLY ones throwing a fit about Andre getting exposed is Al & Andre .Where is that KIDS parents? I know where one of them is ,he is in a treatment place! I wonder what type it is now? Just so you know this info is a fact that come from Andre himself!

Joe, no matter whether you are upset with Al or Andre or the whole situation...there are lines you just don't cross and that's one of them! Whether one of Andre's parents is truly ill or has a problem or not and whether he shared that with you privately, you are the adult in that conversation and should know better. Sorry but Joe really, is that fair? Does it have a thing to do with this? I may have serious reservations about Andre and his collection myself but those are professional concerns. There are just some things that one does not blurt out or use against a person.

Joe I truly think you owe Andre an apology for sharing something that would be quite distressing for anyone, minor or adult, to see posted on a public forum.

 

[jglass38]

Joe, no matter whether you are upset with Al or Andre or the whole situation...there are lines you just don't cross and that's one of them! Whether one of Andre's parents is truly ill or has a problem or not and whether he shared that with you privately, you are the adult in that conversation and should know better. Sorry but Joe really, is that fair? Does it have a thing to do with this? I may have serious reservations about Andre and his collection myself but those are professional concerns. There are just some things that one does not blurt out or use against a person.

Joe I truly think you owe Andre an apology for sharing something that would be quite distressing for anyone, minor or adult, to see posted on a public forum.

Well put and I agree completely. Joe, your behavior in this thread and as it pertains to Al and then Andre is disgusting. First off, get your facts straight in the beginning before you bad mouth people. Second, I can guarantee you wouldn't want people taking your medical problems and using them against you.

 

[joepythons]

done

Joe, no matter whether you are upset with Al or Andre or the whole situation...there are lines you just don't cross and that's one of them! Whether one of Andre's parents is truly ill or has a problem or not and whether he shared that with you privately, you are the adult in that conversation and should know better. Sorry but Joe really, is that fair? Does it have a thing to do with this? I may have serious reservations about Andre and his collection myself but those are professional concerns. There are just some things that one does not blurt out or use against a person.

Joe I truly think you owe Andre an apology for sharing something that would be quite distressing for anyone, minor or adult, to see posted on a public forum.

Joanna,i have allready apologized to both Al & Andre several posts back.I admit that i slipped and said things that i never should have.I will say this on the open forum so everyone can see my true feelings concerning Andre and his family.Andre i apologize for anything i have ever said that hurt either yourself or your parents.Once again i hope everything turns towards the best for you and your family.If you ever need any help with your reptiles just let me know and i will help you any way i can just like before this stuff happened.Thank You

 

[joepythons]

true

Well put and I agree completely. Joe, your behavior in this thread and as it pertains to Al and then Andre is disgusting. First off, get your facts straight in the beginning before you bad mouth people. Second, I can guarantee you wouldn't want people taking your medical problems and using them against you.

Jamie,i understand where you are coming from.When i actually though about what i wrote about Andre father i realized i was in the wrong and should have never posted those words.I actually know how Andre felt when he read my post as certain people have used my medical condition against me over the few years.I know my feelings have no bearings here and i apologized for my wrongs.

 

[Griz]

Well, well, well...... Joeypythongs shows himself again. Let's look at a few things:

1)

I too can back Joe up on smooth, great, and complete transactions in the past. He is a very truthful and great guy. I too would like to know how this guy is "bad" when I've never heard anything "bad" about him... till well now on this thread that I can't believe....

Allison, based simply upon this post alone I lose some respect for you. It's obvious that you have not done any searches with regards to Joe yet you want to take his side and belittle a known good guy. Classy Allison, real classy. He has his own dedicated bad guy thread right here on Fauna. Quite a few people remember it as Joe was creating ficticious sign on's pretending to be other people, he cursed out the mods here and so on.

You then have ReptileAuction. Of course you sit here and say that he is very truthful. As you will see, he registered under the name of Joe Walker on Reptile Auctions and then denied it for days that he was actually Joe Haggard. Wow! He sure is truthfull isn't he?

You see, this is not the first time that Joe was spreading unfounded lies about others. He did the same thing to me and Criticial Bill and ended up getting banned for it! But, after a few weeks he created yet another ficticious sign on by the name of Jedd Johnson just so he could bypass a much deserved ban. Yup, once again he's real truthfull. Do you even know what the truth looks like Allison?

Take a look at the old forums there on ReptileAuction and you will see who Joe is. Heck, for that matter, take a look at his criminal record if you want to be enlightened.

2)

Al, just trying to have a little fun with you. you posted a pic of a average at best spider ball and called it the BEST spider ball ever. false advertising in my eyes, and I posted 2 of my average spiders that blew yours out of the water. Big mistake on my part to do that, and I told you so and said Im sorry. I thought you were a big enought man to accept that. I was wrong.

Once again Al I was wrong to post a pic on your ad and am sorry about it, can you accept this?

Ed, I have never known someone who had so many self-destruct buttons laying around. Once again, you have proven yourself to be someone to avoid. You send out random emails to people threatening them over their prices. You cyber-stalk sellers because you disagree with their prices. You leave negative feedback for people who make positive posts regarding Boaphile. And now, you hijack classified threads solely for the sake of selling your own animals. You're the first person I have ever met who can actually walk under a door Ed.

Joe, all animosity aside, you are a scourge to this industry. You always have and always will be. You don't have the intellectual acuity to discern right from wrong. You shoot first and then ask questions later.

Griz

 

[Griz]

Joanna,i have allready apologized to both Al & Andre several posts back.I admit that i slipped and said things that i never should have.I will say this on the open forum so everyone can see my true feelings concerning Andre and his family.Andre i apologize for anything i have ever said that hurt either yourself or your parents.Once again i hope everything turns towards the best for you and your family.If you ever need any help with your reptiles just let me know and i will help you any way i can just like before this stuff happened.Thank You

True feelings my rear. Generally, what you say in private is more reflective of your "true feelings" then are the words you place on a public forum simply because you got called to the mat. Get real Joe. NOBODY here is buying what you say.

Griz

 

[joepythons]

Why Hello

Well, well, well...... Joeypythongs shows himself again. Let's look at a few things:

1)

Allison, based simply upon this post alone I lose some respect for you. It's obvious that you have not done any searches with regards to Joe yet you want to take his side and belittle a known good guy. Classy Allison, real classy. He has his own dedicated bad guy thread right here on Fauna. Quite a few people remember it as Joe was creating ficticious sign on's pretending to be other people, he cursed out the mods here and so on.

You then have ReptileAuction. Of course you sit here and say that he is very truthful. As you will see, he registered under the name of Joe Walker on Reptile Auctions and then denied it for days that he was actually Joe Haggard. Wow! He sure is truthfull isn't he?

You see, this is not the first time that Joe was spreading unfounded lies about others. He did the same thing to me and Criticial Bill and ended up getting banned for it! But, after a few weeks he created yet another ficticious sign on by the name of Jedd Johnson just so he could bypass a much deserved ban. Yup, once again he's real truthfull. Do you even know what the truth looks like Allison?

Take a look at the old forums there on ReptileAuction and you will see who Joe is. Heck, for that matter, take a look at his criminal record if you want to be enlightened.

2)

Ed, I have never known someone who had so many self-destruct buttons laying around. Once again, you have proven yourself to be someone to avoid. You send out random emails to people threatening them over their prices. You cyber-stalk sellers because you disagree with their prices. You leave negative feedback for people who make positive posts regarding Boaphile. And now, you hijack classified threads solely for the sake of selling your own animals. You're the first person I have ever met who can actually walk under a door Ed.

Joe, all animosity aside, you are a scourge to this industry. You always have and always will be. You don't have the intellectual acuity to discern right from wrong. You shoot first and then ask questions later.

Griz

Well how have you been Bob? Lets see you still say i have numerous user names here and elsewhere.Why do you still think i was using numerous user names here when infact you talked to the other people involved in the thread here.I have never hidden the thread here that is full of lies.That thread was created by a kid that after several months KILLED that ball python i traded him for a couple corn snakes.Now how is that a legit bad guy thread? Yea you are correct that i did curse at Rich but i apologized and it ended there.You are also getting upset because i said a few things on the old Repti Auction forum.Now tell the truth you got mad because i was not saying certain words and causing myself to get banned like you wanted.So you harassed the Mod until he banned me,he even had to create a new rule so he could ban me.Yes i admitted after a short time i was Joe Haggard not Joe Walker,yet you still get upset and try to make more of it then it really was.Yes i did make up the name Jed Johnson and the ONLY reason i made it was to mess with James Wollitz period! No other reason.Now tell the truth how our paths first crossed.You were trying to trade GUNS with a known felon here in Illinois on the Auction and i interupted your deal.Yea i assisted the DNR on shutting down that person for selling ILLEGAL reptiles in Illinois and i am not ashamed of it either.Do you want to know why? The answer is simple, people like him selling illegal reptiles in our state are the ones causing us LEGAL reptile keepers all of the problems with the new laws.Now please show me how i was wrong by doing this? Would you prefer people like him cause us to be unable to keep any reptiles period? Who cares if things were said in the past,that was then this is now.Like you yourself said they are just words and nothing more.One more thing YES i have a Felony in my past big deal.It was nothing that got me ANY jail or prison time just probation.I was given probation!Now how does that involve reptiles? I am sure others here that have criminal records in there past.If it does not involve reptiles then who cares!

 

[Griz]

It shows a pattern Joe. A pattern of deceit. You had a person, Allison, state on a public forum that you were a very truthful person. There are now numerous posts right here in this thread that PROVE to the contrary.

Case in point, your comment that I was trying to sell guns to a convicted felon. That's an outright lie and yet again shows your propensity to be dishonest. Selling to a convicted felon would net me 5-7 years in prison, the loss of my consulting firm, the loss of my FEDERALLY LICENSED gun dealership, and probably the loss of my family. Yet, despite the overwhelming amount of common sense that the people in this forum would use to read your statement, you somehow think that posting lies, regardless of how exaggerated they are, will somehow help your cause?

As with most liars and scammers, they are their own worst enemy. Case in point.

Griz

 

[Wilomn]

Well how have you been Bob? Lets see you still say i have numerous user names here and elsewhere.Why do you still think i was using numerous user names here when infact you talked to the other people involved in the thread here.I have never hidden the thread here that is full of lies.That thread was created by a kid that after several months KILLED that ball python i traded him for a couple corn snakes.Now how is that a legit bad guy thread? Yea you are correct that i did curse at Rich but i apologized and it ended there.You are also getting upset because i said a few things on the old Repti Auction forum.Now tell the truth you got mad because i was not saying certain words and causing myself to get banned like you wanted.So you harassed the Mod until he banned me,he even had to create a new rule so he could ban me.Yes i admitted after a short time i was Joe Haggard not Joe Walker,yet you still get upset and try to make more of it then it really was.Yes i did make up the name Jed Johnson and the ONLY reason i made it was to mess with James Wollitz period! No other reason.Now tell the truth how our paths first crossed.You were trying to trade GUNS with a known felon here in Illinois on the Auction and i interupted your deal.Yea i assisted the DNR on shutting down that person for selling ILLEGAL reptiles in Illinois and i am not ashamed of it either.Do you want to know why? The answer is simple, people like him selling illegal reptiles in our state are the ones causing us LEGAL reptile keepers all of the problems with the new laws.Now please show me how i was wrong by doing this? Would you prefer people like him cause us to be unable to keep any reptiles period? Who cares if things were said in the past,that was then this is now.Like you yourself said they are just words and nothing more.One more thing YES i have a Felony in my past big deal.It was nothing that got me ANY jail or prison time just probation.I was given probation!Now how does that involve reptiles? I am sure others here that have criminal records in there past.If it does not involve reptiles then who cares!

And coming down the homestretch in the December Moron of the month, it's many named joe, the only horse in this months race too stupid to remember what name he used when, followed closely by dandy the homewrecker never to be trusted with YOUR wife or mistress and bringing up the REAR, as us usual we have chumpco, hard to tell ass from mouth on this one, both spout fertilizer like a geezer on barium, fertilizer everywhere you look and literally dripping from its mouth.

A sad and sorry bunch but way ahead of such notables as looswheel the nag, suncrust the herpe infested beast from the land of retired nags, and shrilly the filly, darling of the track rumored to be out of loosewheel by dandy but claimed by neither. No surprise there folks, who'd want that bucket of sour mash in the family?

It's not looking like it'll be a close finish this month but we do still have a bit of time for standings, or ploddings if you will, to change.

Such excitement, such daring do, such a load of manure as has rarely been seen even on THIS manure ridden track.

Wonder what's on the home shopping network? Whatever it is it's got to be more exciting than this pathetic excuse for entertainment.

 

[joepythons]

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It shows a pattern Joe. A pattern of deceit. You had a person, Allison, state on a public forum that you were a very truthful person. There are now numerous posts right here in this thread that PROVE to the contrary.

Case in point, your comment that I was trying to sell guns to a convicted felon. That's an outright lie and yet again shows your propensity to be dishonest. Selling to a convicted felon would net me 5-7 years in prison, the loss of my consulting firm, the loss of my FEDERALLY LICENSED gun dealership, and probably the loss of my family. Yet, despite the overwhelming amount of common sense that the people in this forum would use to read your statement, you somehow think that posting lies, regardless of how exaggerated they are, will somehow help your cause?

As with most liars and scammers, they are their own worst enemy. Case in point.

Griz

Bob,as usual you add things or just DONT read what i write.I said TRADE not SELL!!

 

[joepythons]

over

Well since the other parties involved with this thread have ceased any more comments i will join them.Its evident this thread is going to be one of "those" threads that fauna is famous for.So i wish EVERYONE a Happy Holidays early

 

[Griz]

Its evident this thread is going to be one of "those" threads that fauna is famous for.

If by "those threads" you mean one that shows the public who NOT to deal with, then I guess I concur.

Griz

 

[Scott Ashton]

If by "those threads" you mean one that shows the public who NOT to deal with, then I guess I concur.

Griz

Agreed.

The Famous Boi has proven Joe Haggard to be infamous.

 

[droogievesch]

Whether it makes any difference at all, I HAVE done business with Al and I couldn't be happier. He taught me how to pop and probe snakes, he missed part of a concert with his friends so I could ask as many questions as needed and see where he breeds his rats, quarantines his snakes, incubates, etc. I have always been able to call him in regards to any questions I have (such as when one of my snakes that I did NOT purchase from him went off feed). It's expected for a breeder to offer you advice and support with one of their animals, but it says a lot when they are willing to take time out of their day and help you with some other breeder's animal. I did purchase 2 het albinos from him and I could not have been happier. They are GREAT feeders, from the first day I got them. I'm sure this forum is technically dead, and an apology was given to Al, but I also know some people don't want to read all 20 pages, so I want to make sure I can get my .02 worth in.

 

[ravensgait]

Joe do yourself a favor and stop hitting those keys and go away for a while. Your in the wrong here you know it and everyone else knows it. You can't defend what you did so just shut up for a while and though many wont forget(case in point Bob) there will likely be someone else pulling a stupid stunt to garner their our attention..

One of your problems Joe is that you seem to think that by showing us the bag guy that everyone will think WOW isn't that Joe something!! Well Joe you see what it has gotten you so take a break. Someone with a less than stellar past trying to cry wolf on someone else just doesn't seem to go over well does it. If you want to improve your reputation then DO IT don't try to fix it by downing others..Randy

 

[ravensgait]

Jenna it makes a difference, I hope others like yourself will post their good deals with Al. Thanks...Randy

 

[Wilomn]

Randy, I think the metaphor you're looking (and sort of mangling for which I forgive you lol) is this one to follow. I don't know where I first came across it, probably reading some oddball book or other but, in communities where fishing from boats is the mainstay, the way most families make their living, when a boat flounders or goes under and the crew are tossed into the sea, it is not uncommon to find drowned men with large bruises on their shoulders, necks, backs and heads.

How can this happen in the middle of the ocean?

It's really simple. A drowning man, like joey here, will climb on ANYTHING or ANYONE to keep his miserable head above water EVEN IF IT MEANS DROWNING another man for him to do so.

Now in the ocean, it's almost forgivable as panic and fear are most likely paramount in a man's mind when he KNOWS he'll be dead in a matter of minutes; not excusable, but forgivable, people do things when death is imminant that they would NEVER do in regular day to day life.

To do it here, a mere forum on the bloody internet, is not only INEXCUSABLE but UNFORGIVABLE as well.

Standing on the shoulders of those who may well survive JUST to keep your sorry ass afloat is pretty miserable joey and EVERYONE reading this and other threads about you, knows it full well.

Bob's not the only one with a memory, not by a loooooooooooong shot.

 

[NEWReptiles]

I just found the other joey thread where he and his imaginary friends were in a tirade.

Ya see Joey, Andre can easily right his wrongs, but it seems you have a trend. After reading that I doubt you will prove to be any sort of asset to the reptile community.

 

[NEWReptiles]

If anyone else wants to kill a few brain cells here is his other thread.

Joey and his special friends