JoeP at DGS

[Ghi Reptiles]

Great , then that should be the end of it.

 

[Arboreals of the Rainforest]

My how thimes have changed....

This is just to rich not to share. After such a nice pile of donkey doo was spread for all to see, Joe just deleted all the responces asking about forum moderation. Why? Well read back through the 30-ish pages of this thread and see why.

Re: Forum Moderation
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Posted by Mike H. on November 25, 2001 at 10:52:28:

In Reply to: You mean way to little don't you? (long, 2 part message) posted by Joe P. on November 25, 2001 at 04:42:04:

Just to address the issue of forum moderation that Joe brought up, I'd like to share some of my thoughts....

As a moderator/moderators, you have to set rules of conduct and content, and you have to enforce them evenly and even follow them yourself. Moderators can't expect to please everyone, if you strive for that goal you won't be able to moderate fairly and evenly. The goal a moderator should strive for is to be respected by forum participants, and this happens by them witnessing the way you moderate. If moderators start deleting posts or threads just because they personally don't approve of the content, the direction of the conversations, the husbandry practice being discussed, or because a personal friend of theirs is under attack, is an abuse of power. By doing this you loose the respect of the forum participants and the forum's integrity would deteriorate.

Here's an example...
A few months ago, some of you will remember a thread that developed about a purchase Joe made, and the question of whether or not there was a guarantee and, if so, the specifics of that guarantee. There were lots of opinions voiced, lots of past experiences talked about, lots of phone calls & emails exchanged during this thread. Many people seemed to side against Joe on this issue. Joe showed his true colors by not deleting that thread. I was considering removing the entire thread after it had been up long enough for everyone to have their say. I felt like discussing/argueing about the details of a past business transaction wasn't within the guidelines of topics allowed (although we do allow inquiries about sellers and reporting rip-offs). A lot of times, when a new visitor who's a new tree boa owner gets here for the first time, they like to go pretty far back reading all the posts that may interest them. I didn't want that thread to side-track them like a car wreck on the side of the road. I thought it over and let it stay. I also wanted to protect the reputations of both people. This was an isolated incident, and wasn't typical for either of these two people to not be able to settle buyer/seller problems. Joe's a friend of mine, and the seller, Ben Siegel, is a well respected dealer who sells high quality animals. I didn't want any new visitors to get a wrong first impression of either of these guys. I also didn't want anyone to question whether or not I was being biased by removing a thread that may have been unfavorable to another moderator here. By doing so I may have lost the respect of some of you guys, and at the same time, cost the forum some of it's credibility.

In closing...
I'd just like to say, if anyone has any questions or comments about forum moderation issues, feel free to post them here. All moderation discussions should be open to all forum members, after all, it's your forum. Something just doesn't seem right/fair about keeping forum/moderation complaints a secret and discussed only in private.

I hope I worded this well so that my points were all well taken Feel free to comment.


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By Mikes own admission, what Joe was/is doing is an abuse of power. How many multitude of posts got deleted for simply asking "Why are you deleting my posts?"

What a pair of phonies these two have proven to be.

It's alright to question anyone but them, even after Joes lame attempts to burn out Matt and Ben for Joe turning healthy animals into pukers.

What is your death toll up to now Joepuker?

 

[Arboreals of the Rainforest]

More hipocracy from the mouth of the master regurgitator.......

You mean way to little don't you? (long, 2 part message)
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Posted by Joe P. on November 25, 2001 at 04:42:04:

In Reply to: way too much extrapolation posted by Jack Sadovnik on November 23, 2001 at 14:57:17:

First I’d like to clear the air a bit. I have received a number of private emails expressing some disapproval with the tone of Jack Sadovniks reply to my original post in the “Inherent Differences” string. Rather than answer them individually, I’d like to use the forum to emphasize an important point, one that has been at issue of late in another, not unrelated forum, that being the issue of free expression.

While I find Jack’s post both direct and challenging, I found nothing about it either defamatory or personally offensive. In my opinion the post expresses a view held not only by Jack, but one commonly shared by many captive breeder. Whether I, as a forum moderator, agree or disagree with that (or any other) opinion, be it in my opinion right or wrong, the expression of opinions, ideas, concepts, theories and postulations are the highest possible purpose I can imagine for this or any forum. Not only are they generally welcomed here on the forum, but, in the original post itself I went out of my way to ask for and encourage responses!

Would it not be the ultimate in hypocrisy to on the one hand encourage individual expression and on the other attempt to quash it? And why? Simply because an expression runs contrary to my own or even the current popular position is certainly no justification. Such an act would appear petty and vindictive at best and downright ignorant at worst. I would no more think to do that than I would to publicly post the private emails I received on the matter. So for those who did email me, the confidence in which you expressed yourselves is secure and I trust this answers your questions.

Now, onto the real business of this forum....

So why did he try and squash the overwhelming popular position of the majority when it wasn't in his favor?

1) to appear petty?
2) to be vindicitive at best?
3) or down right ignorant at worst?

Take your pick from his own list.

 

[Arboreals of the Rainforest]

More jewels of the past. By the way, this got deleted as well. And when you find out who it was from it will shock you.

A clue, he is one of the most honest and well respected herpers in the arboreal world. One of the elite as it were.

The Truth The Whole Truth and Nothin but the Truth!
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This forum is starting to remind me of another forum I used to frequent until the Moderators became "Holier than Thou". What really stinks is that it drives people who actually have knowledge on these animals away.

This forum is really starting to turn into a power trip. The moderators can dish it out, but when confronted - bye bye with push of a button! What are the almighty on this forum so afraid of - The Truth? I find it amazing Joe that you actually threaten people physically over the internet. I have seen first hand how tough you actually are or aren't in this case, but we don't need to open that can of worms. You always say that you can "walk the walk" and your one of the most "high profile" people in the emerald world today. I would simply like to know how you can back that up? I know it's not because of your stellar healthy collection or all the offspring that you have produced - so what is it? If you say you can walk the walk and not just talk the talk - we would all like to see what has made you so "high profile"!

My suggestion is that Joe Polanco step down as moderator of this forum and strictly be a participant. As a moderator one must be unbiased and hold themselves above everyone else in there behavior. That certainly has not happened with Joe at the healm.

Everything that has been stated here is the TRUTH - like it or not! Not one lie or exagerated statement. Lets all see if the moderation team of the Tree Boa Forum are humble enough to let these facts stand. I'm confident that they can't handle the truth - so nice knowin ya!




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[Arboreals of the Rainforest]

He killed another one. Add it to the long list of the dead.

Posted by Joe P. <mailto:[email protected]> on November 19, 2002 at 21:04:37:


...My favorite animal, (a stunning black female acquired from Ken Naugher) named
Katie <http://www.d-g-s.com/daemons/images/K101-1.jpg> who had been bred but alas delivered five premature still-born babies in Nov.'01 contracted a URI during her recovery from birthing. I fought that bug for well over 6 months but lost her.
That's only one story, there are many others... The only consolation is that we manage to win more than we lose and along the way it's quite a kick just looking around and seeing the results of your efforts.

Joe P. (a guy who's Been There, Done That, & Got That Tee ****)

Another victim DEAD by his husbandry.


55 DEAD and still counting.......

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

The latest from King Puker.......

This e-mail was forwarded to me by a good friend:

Subject: Fw: Paul Newstead finally gets what he deserves.
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 01:15:59 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Emeralds
To: Mike Odette Heinrich ; Tony Nicoli
Cc: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: Paul Newstead finally gets what he deserves.


What an unexpected pleasure this was. )))

Chew on this Paul Newstead, whose your daddy now? Couldn't have happened to a
nicer guy either.




Tim Bowels, your next so you better get that legal team ready.

The following image was attached to the e-mail:

Yes folks, Mr. Sue Happy Polanco continues his litigious ways.

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

The face of the enemy.....

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

Interesting footnote.......

Look at the destination of the original e-mail. One of the destinations was Mike Heinrich. Joe's partner/co-moderator/only friend/protector/defender on the Terminal Boa Forum. Yeah, Mikey. You sure are just an innocent bystander in all of this. LMAO!!! WHATEVER.

BTW, Tim. When Joe finally sues you as he has been threatening to for so long, please have me served with a subpeona. I have some very crucial information to add, as well as an ever-expanding file of threatening e-mails, pictures, and such to provide your attorney. I am fully willing to testify under oath.

 

[HerpVenue]

edited...
I had distasteful language here.

Hey has he even showed up to any Columbus shows lately?
You know....the one he says he never misses

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

Where and who did that quote come from??.....

Was that an edited quote directed at me in retaliation for my recent posts?

 

[HerpVenue]

of course not.....
I had a whole paragraph for joe...
But I decided he was not worth my time and effort and troubles.
and I had some mispellings....so I edited it.