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Bad Guy Jon/Michael Wengloski - Inaccurate animal descriptions

Lucille said:
That's pretty snarky. Glad there is a resolution, but while you have successfully avoided dealing with where the smaller scars originated, future buyers can read and come to their own conclusions as to whether they would buy from you.
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^^^this is very true.

The problem I have in this is those are recent puncture wounds. Period. If it didn't happen with the seller then they happened with the op. Who then went on to blame the seller. So unless one of them comes forward they both are sketchy and worth being avoided. IMO.
 
To infere that somebody should not do business with the OP because she has came out with concerns regarding the shape of the snakes I have sold to her is ridiculous and I take offense to that. Labeling her as "sketchy" and saying she is "worth being avoided" is a pot shot. I'd be more apt to do business with her if I was an outside observer than someone like yourself who just joined this website earlier this year and zero trader rating.

Oh and on a side note. If you start taking pot shots at people who are voicing legitimate concerns about their business dealings nobody will want to post on this BOI thread. Don't start a bad habit.

Go outside please and enjoy the weather, it was nice out today.
 
That belly scar on the female looks like a healed surgical incision site scar to me. I'm not a huge expert on reptilian surgery, but that is a very clean, linear, straight scar. I am not aware of many things that can create a scar like that except surgery. I would worry that the snake was previously eggbound and required surgery to correct the problem. If Jon (seller in this case) was not made aware of it, then shame on whoever sold the snake to him. Regardless, there is NO excuse for not disclosing that.


Also, Jon....you're getting quite snarky in your replies. Yes, you've refunded the OP a portion of the snakes' cost, but that does not get you off the hook...not by a long shot. I wouldn't purchase from you, just knowing that you let your snakes get to that condition and don't seem to be completely honest about their feeding.

But yes, Korbin...I see no reason to question the OP here, and believe me I am a verrry skeptical person. I think that unless strong evidence arises that the problems arose in the OP's care, we should not be doubting her.
 
ReptileZone1 said:
To infere that somebody should not do business with the OP because she has came out with concerns regarding the shape of the snakes I have sold to her is ridiculous and I take offense to that. Labeling her as "sketchy" and saying she is "worth being avoided" is a pot shot. I'd be more apt to do business with her if I was an outside observer than someone like yourself who just joined this website earlier this year and zero trader rating.

Oh and on a side note. If you start taking pot shots at people who are voicing legitimate concerns about their business dealings nobody will want to post on this BOI thread. Don't start a bad habit.

Go outside please and enjoy the weather, it was nice out today.
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Wow... you are clueless.

Let me explain it in terms you may understand. She claims there are recent rat bites. She also posted pics of recent rat bites. She also claims the snake came to her like that. Now you say they didn't happen when you had this snake.

Now this leaves two options, a) you lied and they did happen when you had her or b) she lied and they happened when she got her. One of you has to be lying if those pictures are of this snake. Hence why this whole thing is sketchy.

I am going to have to go back and look at those pics on my computer since I only saw them on my phone. Maybe I am not seeing them correctly.
 
Will0W783 said:
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But yes, Korbin...I see no reason to question the OP here, and believe me I am a verrry skeptical person. I think that unless strong evidence arises that the problems arose in the OP's care, we should not be doubting her.
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Hey Kim. Here is where I am stuck on this issue. Jon says the rat bites didn't occur while he had her. The op states she received the snake that way. She isn't refuting Jon when he said it didn't happen while he owned her. She gave the initial accusation and then hasn't responded to him saying that it wasn't true. They obviously happened so I am wondering when and who is telling the truth.
 
KORBIN5895 said:
Hey Kim. Here is where I am stuck on this issue. Jon says the rat bites didn't occur while he had her. The op states she received the snake that way. She isn't refuting Jon when he said it didn't happen while he owned her. She gave the initial accusation and then hasn't responded to him saying that it wasn't true. They obviously happened so I am wondering when and who is telling the truth.
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Go back to the first post. She paid on 8/6 and asked them to be shipped on Wed 8/8 for arrival on 8/9. Her post with 1 pic of one of the bites was started on 8/9 the same day she received the snakes. Close up pictures later posted on 8/11. There is no way the bites could have happened in the op care and look partially healed in the posted pics in just 2 days time.
 
Thanks Carrie. I read thought the deal happened in July. I tend to make really stupid mistakes like that.

Sorry to the op.

So Jon, I guess that leaves us with yo lying. I guess those four trader points you received 7 years ago for being a good buyer have no merit here in this thread. Good try at deflecting with my lack of trader rating. Maybe you should go outside and get some fresh air, clear your head and come back and level with us.
 
ReptileZone1 said:
I value your opinion.
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Thank you :) My opinion is that those scars are hideous and you should have disclosed. My opinion is that you tried for a save by playing the 'I'm new' card :
ReptileZone1 said:
I am no snake expert
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and you might have scooted by if you had immediately offered a full refund and a little plus for some of the vet costs. Taken responsibility, you know?

But no, greed won out and snark crept in. Now, whenever someone does a search there's your name, and there's your pitiful scarred snake you sold. And there you are, instead of an apology to the buyer, an apology to the poor snake who had to endure whatever it was that caused those scars, and stepping up to take care of it all, there you are, saying

ReptileZone1 said:
I am no snake expert
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As if that was a magic shield that would somehow wipe the slate clean.
 
Laura Fopiano said:
Jon, how could you miss that belly scar? Good god, it looks like the animal has had major surgery, which in that case should never ever be bred.
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Will0W783 said:
That belly scar on the female looks like a healed surgical incision site scar to me. I'm not a huge expert on reptilian surgery, but that is a very clean, linear, straight scar. I am not aware of many things that can create a scar like that except surgery. I would worry that the snake was previously eggbound and required surgery to correct the problem. If Jon (seller in this case) was not made aware of it, then shame on whoever sold the snake to him. Regardless, there is NO excuse for not disclosing that.
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I agree. That 100% looks like a surgical scar. It should have disclosed.

There is no way I would ever bred that female. She looks like she has already egg bound once.
 
Will0W783 said:
That belly scar on the female looks like a healed surgical incision site scar to me. I'm not a huge expert on reptilian surgery, but that is a very clean, linear, straight scar. I am not aware of many things that can create a scar like that except surgery. I would worry that the snake was previously eggbound and required surgery to correct the problem. If Jon (seller in this case) was not made aware of it, then shame on whoever sold the snake to him. Regardless, there is NO excuse for not disclosing that.
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bloodybaroness said:
I agree. That 100% looks like a surgical scar. It should have disclosed.

There is no way I would ever bred that female. She looks like she has already egg bound once.
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Laura Fopiano said:
Jon, how could you miss that belly scar? Good god, it looks like the animal has had major surgery, which in that case should never ever be bred.

I do hope that you follow through and refund this dear women, she's been far more generous than I would have been.
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I have to agree that tithe belly scar appears to be the result of major surgery, possibly from being egg bound. Jon, you dropped the ball on that scar. She is not fit to breed, especially if it is indeed a scar from egg bound surgery.
 
Ok so I recently bought a spider male off Jon right around this time this popped up. Yes, he was under the weight that He said, but he was guessing at it, so no big deal in my eyes. The spider was perfectly healthy besides being a bit thin. No RI or anything. My snake wasn't shipped, I did a local pickup. He eats like a champ, never refused a meal, not even 2 days after he was purchased. Now he's breeding and used as an educational tool at a local university. I couldn't personally be any happier with my purchase with Jon.
 
I believe he told me it was 650 grams (but I could be wrong I have no screenshots) and he turned out to be 454 grams.

I quarantined for 90 days from the rest of my animals. The snake has been in my possession since mid-June.
 
ReptileZone1 said:
I am Jon

So I take offense

I have an issue in regards to my estimated weights.

No reason for the harsh words, don't let your emotions show your negative side.

I did not contest that there is a scar and would admit it didn't cross my mind when you asked about "health issues" as it doesn't effect her health at all.
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Jon, you selling a 450 gram baby ball python that weights in at 200 grams is a gross misrepresentation of its true size, you saying it is your guess does not obsolve the misrepresentation.

You can take offense, have issues and generally be pissed off. it does not change the fact you are in the wrong here.
 
ReptileZone1 said:
To infere that somebody should not do business with the OP because she has came out with concerns regarding the shape of the snakes I have sold to her is ridiculous and I take offense to that. Labeling her as "sketchy" and saying she is "worth being avoided" is a pot shot. I'd be more apt to do business with her if I was an outside observer than someone like yourself who just joined this website earlier this year and zero trader rating.

Oh and on a side note. If you start taking pot shots at people who are voicing legitimate concerns about their business dealings nobody will want to post on this BOI thread. Don't start a bad habit.

Go outside please and enjoy the weather, it was nice out today.
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You misunderstand, they were talking how people may read this and decide they do not want to do business with you, not the Op.
 
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