Bad Guy Jon/Michael Wengloski - Inaccurate animal descriptions

[wyldwurm]

So a messup on the refunding now part. I am unavailable to do so right now, but even though you said you do not require one I feel refunding you a part is appropriate.

I am glad you've decided to refund even though the buyer did not expect it...it does say a lot..good on you!

 

[ReptileZone1]

Thank you for your kind words Kimberly. -Jon

 

[Lucille]

While this is a husbandry question, I feel it is relevant because of the non-disclosure. don't most who feed live monitor the process to that the chances for bites are minimized?
I would have disclosed the belly scar.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

While this is a husbandry question, I feel it is relevant because of the non-disclosure. don't most who feed live monitor the process to that the chances for bites are minimized?
I would have disclosed the belly scar.

Mostly yes, but with most breeders anything feeding on hopper mice or smaller, or rat pups or smaller will drop in and leave over night. I do this with babies, but with larger prey items, I make sure its taken, once Its constricted properly, I move on to next tub.

 

[ReptileZone1]

I did monitor it. She has never been bitten in my care. Fed her in a sepaeate bin and monitored closely.

 

[Lucille]

Female has several scars that appear to be healed rat bites, and a couple of fresh ones.

I did monitor it. She has never been bitten in my care. Fed her in a sepaeate bin and monitored closely.

Maybe some more explanations would be appropriate.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Maybe some more explanations would be appropriate.

I agree. You can clearly see fresh wounds in those pics.

 

[ReptileZone1]

Cindy has stated that she had thought they were fresh wounds but they are healed
She stated they appear to be the most recent though which is definitely.

Lucille. What explanation are you looking to get from me that would appease you?

 

[ReptileZone1]

Definitely possible *

 

[Lucille]

Lucille. What explanation are you looking to get from me that would appease you?

I'm looking for an explanation that will fit in with the way each side expressed how the snake looked to them.
I have no horse in this race, but the two explanations do not seem to be the same. If both of you can come up with a reasonable explanation that fits, fine. Otherwise, there is the possibility that one party is not telling the truth.

 

[ReptileZone1]

I am not disputing the fact that the snake has scars
It is a normal ball python not a show piece and my mistame is not classifying them as a major health concern.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Jon, how could you miss that belly scar? Good god, it looks like the animal has had major surgery, which in that case should never ever be bred.

I do hope that you follow through and refund this dear women, she's been far more generous than I would have been.

 

[Lucille]

my mistame is not classifying them as a major health concern.

If you tell the truth and disclose in the first place, you never have to worry about classification, the other party can see and decide.

 

[RobNJ]

I really think this probably developed during shipping, so I'm not accusing the seller of selling me "sick" snakes.

I think it's highly doubtful that a very noticeable RI developed during shipment...if it's as bad as you're saying, it's likely you were sold sick snakes.

I'll be refunding her a portion of what she paid which was honestly very little.

Whether it was $50 or $5,000 that was paid, that is irrelevant in regards to the condition of the snakes you shipped. If it was honestly very little, and you're done with snakes, you should just refund the full amount.

 

[snakesRkewl]

Nothing short of a full refund and paying for a portion of, if not all of the vet bill would make me happy.
What a shitty way to treat a snake and pawn it off on someone else...

 

[HyderHouseHerps]

Thank you for the partial refund, Jon. Since she is being treated by a vet I work with, the bill won't be too bad. The male just a little clicking from the nose and no discharge so I think he will be ok without meds but I'm keeping an eye on him.

 

[ReptileZone1]

I omitted the scar because I didnt classify it as a health concern. I am no snake expert hence why I got rid of these basically, without making profit.

To assume after seven + years on this site I would purposely ship "sick" snakes is beyond my reasoning. Doesn't make sense at all. The snakes were fine when I shipped them and the poster is not accusing me of it so why are others. We can go in circles with this for days. Strange how this goes from a weight and single scar discrepency that the original poster was concerned about to a full blown BOI thread.

 

[Lucille]

I omitted the scar .

Strange how this goes from a weight and single scar discrepency that the original poster was concerned about

Female has several scars that appear to be healed rat bites, and a couple of fresh ones. What concerned me the most is this large abdominal scar that appears to be a burn scar. As you can see in my emails, none of this was disclosed prior to the sale

There appeared to be more than the one scar, none were disclosed. In my opinion you would not have to be a snake expert to realize that someone buying a critter ought to have been told about the scars.

 

[ReptileZone1]

I value your opinion. As entertaining for you as this is the issue has been resolved. Thank you for your participation.

 

[Lucille]

I value your opinion. As entertaining for you as this is the issue has been resolved. Thank you for your participation.

That's pretty snarky. Glad there is a resolution, but while you have successfully avoided dealing with where the smaller scars originated, future buyers can read and come to their own conclusions as to whether they would buy from you.