Bad Guy jose torres (drtorres) bad guy

[Fangthane]

At this point I am doing way to much explaining for something that I only wanteed others to be aware of because it wasn't right and I still don't see why he didn't just explain his charges no matter what their cost, Doctor or not.

At this point, you're simply wasting your time. Perhaps you should do a bit less explaining, and a bit more listening to explanations that others are offering. It's really not a seller's responsibility to justify their asking price or give an itemized breakdown of their costs. Prior to formally entering into a transaction, prompt and courteous communication are his only real obligations to a potential buyer. It seems that he provided just that. Some people can't even be bothered to give that much.

Perhaps he decided that you were yet another tire-kicker or low-baller, and that it was best to simply not deal with you. Maybe, "No, I prefer keep her, but thank you anyway," is a kind way of saying, "Take a hike." Who knows? Who cares? You weren't willing to pay his full price; he wasn't willing to negotiate. It should have ended right there. He did absolutely nothing to deserve this thread. Aside from not having the sense to silently factor the PayPal fees into his final price, I'm really not seeing anything he's done wrong. This entire situation just seems like a whole lot of whining about nothing. You'd really be doing yourself a favor to just drop it.

 

[smy_749]

This thread is nonsense. He stated his price, you don't like it, don't buy it. If he said shipping was 100$ who cares? Thats the price he said, pay it or be quiet and buy from someone else. I can ask 200$ to ship an animal if I want, simply because its inconvenient for me and would prefer local sales. You don't complain to the gas station that its cheaper to pay with cash than credit for your gas (the same gas) do you?

Maybe its not right, or you disagree, but hes the seller, and he makes the prices. Not you.

 

[bcr229]

All of this could have been avoided if he figured his costs into the asking price. Box, packing material, heat or cold packs, gas, time, etc. etc. should be built in. Nonetheless, there are people who don't. I've noticed lately some people have box and supply charges laid out separately on their websites. It is what it is.[/B]

Some states assess sales taxes on shipping, handling, labor, etc. Others do not. So, if the seller lists each item individually then their tax and accounting system can correctly calculate how much tax should be remitted to the state.

Also, I track prices from several breeders who are local to me. I'd rather see their prices for in-person cash sales listed, not prices where they've already added in shipping, supplies, etc.

 

[Wilomn]

This really should be a bad buyer thread.

The seller is NOT obligated to use your shipping company, your quote, your boxes, or anything anyone other than the seller wants to use.

You, as the buyer, have the option of not doing business with anyone you choose to not do business with, but this nonsense, this "finding" a better price, is pure crap.

The subject of this thread would be completely justified if he started a thread stating what a pain in the rear and bad buyer the OP is.

 

[spmacarthur]

Too much for me to read, but in the Glass Art business that I run, accepting paypal without fees is very dangerous. The buyer can immediately turn around and take the money back, after receiving the goods. I've lost money this way to people months after they received their shipments, with tracking numbers listed through PayPal and everything confirmed.

$20 for packaging and transit to the post office is totally acceptable. I would honestly request more in his position. I can understand if the seller has second thoughts about shipping if $9 is being argued over.

Just my 2c,
Sam M.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Too much for me to read, but in the Glass Art business that I run, accepting paypal without fees is very dangerous. The buyer can immediately turn around and take the money back, after receiving the goods. I've lost money this way to people months after they received their shipments, with tracking numbers listed through PayPal and everything confirmed.

$20 for packaging and transit to the post office is totally acceptable. I would honestly request more in his position. I can understand if the seller has second thoughts about shipping if $9 is being argued over.

Just my 2c,
Sam M.

Sam, you kind of lost me here. Are you talking about sending funds as a gift?

I don't think that was the discussion.
What is being discussed is charging a separate fee above the selling price for the paypal fees. Paypal charges the seller the fees in every transaction with the exception of sending money as a gift. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that in a business transaction either. You have no recourse as a buyer sending money as a "gift".

The terms of service with paypal states it is against the TOS of paypal to set a special fee for the cost of those transaction fees above the price you don't charge others.

Like it or not those are the terms of paypal. You build those fees into your asking price if your concerned with the few dollars.

Example: You post a ad for an animal for $100 and you state

$100 if you send a money order. Paying paypal? 100 dollars plus paypal fees. That is not allowed by paypal. If you need the couple of dollars more add it to your final asking price for all. Don't like it , don't use paypal. Your not allowed to charge a separate fee for paypal users even though you are being charged for the service.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

But since the OP isn't complaining about it in this thread I will refer to a few of the many threads on here regarding this issue.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319710

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175550
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291259
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346219
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71157
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30022
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51592

 

[tracy reptile co.]

Things seem to be going off course. We ship animals,there are costs involved,we accept that. That being said, we have a basic knowledge of how much things generally will cost. All I wanted to know was, what am I paying for? If you do not let me know,I will ask. If I knew there was a 29.00 box charge we would have thanked the man for his time and left it at that. It was not presented to us in the begining that there was a box charge. All charges, I guess were lumped under shipping. Sooo, being that we were under the assumtion that the guy may be paying to much for shipping (not everyone has shipping knowledge, and please keep in mind ,we do not know him or even heard of him before this deal) I offered to look into shipping because I felt we could get a better rate. The man does not mention any box charges and at this point and seems good with me looking into less expensive shipping because he sends us his zipcode and the box size. Its not until after this do we even hear box charge and shipping. So now I feel like, why didn't you say that in the begining. Even though some people are good with paying a huge box fee, I am not and I am wondering why is it so high for a small box. I don't think my actions are out of character in trying to find out what we are being charged for and how much. At that point I get a bit uneasy about this deal. Why, because we are not being told what charges are for what.Again, with no break down on charges I offered him the cost of his animal and actual shipping charges. His reply was a quick"I'll keep her. That just left me feeling like,I upset him over an assumed 29.00 box charge...I personally never heard of or paid 29.00 for any box,let alone one that was only 8x8x6.It made me feel like I was being scammed. Like I said I did not know the man, did not know he was a Doctor and whats more did not know why he couldn't have just said right from the begining-there is a box charge of 29.00. It was upsetting to us because we did want the animal and felt we were not being unreasonable in our request. So it further made me feel like something is fishy here. I know if I did things like this to my customers,they would call me out on it. If the gentleman has not done a lot of shipping, then all the more reason for him to be up front with his policy,after all I don't know him and he doesn't know me. The whole underlying reason this thread was started was because,we felt there was something not right. I am not out to hang anyone, just making my feelings public for others to know in case they have the same thing happen to them .Selling and buying on the internet, I know many of you can attest to scams being worked,especially in this business.This just felt like it was to us. Not knowing who your dealing with you can only judge by what transpires in your messaging.If the Doctor meant no wrong, I am not saying he did. But I am saying things should NOT be so vague that people have to guess at what is what.At least be up front with your charges so people know there is a high box charge involved and the costs are not just shipping. Then AFTER your customer looks into getting a less expensive rate suddenly say "and box charge"....(if you buy, lets say a car that you have been looking for, for 1000.00 delivered and you know that normal delivery charges are 200.00 and the car is only 500.00 ,you wouldn't ask why the delivery is so expensive? If money is no object ,I guess you wouldn't care but if money is a bit tuff to aquire you would ask and if the salesman says,"we use a special trailer" wouldn't you say" what kind of trailer costs 500.00 when everyone else gets the cars to there customers for only 200.00? If the salesman says suddenly well we decided to just keep the car, good bye. YOU WOULD BE WONDERING WHATS UP WITH THAT? THAT IS NOT RIGHT. Really at this point, I guess we can all agree to disagree. If you feel the guy was good with what he did then again,that is your feelings. These were our feelings based on years of doing business in this field not a witch hunt.We thought we were being helpful to others.

 

[Lucille]

If the Doctor meant no wrong, I am not saying he did.

Then why did you start a Bad Guy thread? There were other options. You could have asked around to your friends or on the shipping forum, you could have politely asked your seller for clarification. Your seller seemed very courteous. I think a Bad Guy thread for $30 before you tried other options was not called for.

 

[Ron Allen]

The terms of service with paypal states it is against the TOS of paypal to set a special fee for the cost of those transaction fees above the price you don't charge others.

Like it or not those are the terms of paypal. You build those fees into your asking price if your concerned with the few dollars.

Example: You post a ad for an animal for $100 and you state

$100 if you send a money order. Paying paypal? 100 dollars plus paypal fees. That is not allowed by paypal. If you need the couple of dollars more add it to your final asking price for all. Don't like it , don't use paypal. Your not allowed to charge a separate fee for paypal users even though you are being charged for the service.

You CAN offer a cash/mo discount though. That is how gas stations get around mastercard/visa TOS.

 

[Fangthane]

....I personally never heard of or paid 29.00 for any box,let alone one that was only 8x8x6.It made me feel like I was being scammed......Selling and buying on the internet, I know many of you can attest to scams being worked,especially in this business.This just felt like it was to us......We thought we were being helpful to others.

For someone who's trying so damn hard to jump into the victim role, while simultaneously portraying themselves as defenders of the public; some things just don't add up. Even after being made aware of the box size and shipping method, as well as PayPal and box fees, you sent the following email, the last one that you're willing to show us:

From: jim tracy <[email protected]>

jose i send funds thru paypal with no fee attatched, and i looked a shipyourreptiles.com shipping is 50 and change so ill paypal you 301 (with no fees) is that acceptable, thanks

You're so convinced that this is a potential scam, that you offer a payment type which not only circumvents PayPal fees; but also removes any possible recourse, in the event that you are indeed scammed. The "gift" option negates any buyer protection. It looks like a scam, so you try to jump in head first? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Let me guess, you were so concerned with the community's welfare that you were willing to take one for the team? The much more likely scenario is that you simply had a fit about the seller having the audacity to send you packing. I'd be interested in seeing this final email that you sent, the one that you're not willing to post here. As far as I can tell, you're crying and trying to smear someone over $29 that you simply didn't feel like paying.

 

[tracy reptile co.]

ok, i apologize, jose didnt do anything to actually scam us, he was vague on a charge but i suppose thats his choice. i posted this thread because i felt it was odd and suspicious, i was apparently wrong, i should have backed out of the deal and washed my hands of it. i overreacted to a small thing like the 30 dollar charge (i didnt know a box cost 29 dollars) however i apologize HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG, HES NOT A BAD GUY. i overreacted by posting this thread

 

[bloodybaroness]

ok, i apologize, jose didnt do anything to actually scam us, he was vague on a charge but i suppose thats his choice. i posted this thread because i felt it was odd and suspicious, i was apparently wrong, i should have backed out of the deal and washed my hands of it. i overreacted to a small thing like the 30 dollar charge (i didnt know a box cost 29 dollars) however i apologize HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG, HES NOT A BAD GUY. i overreacted by posting this thread

An overreaction that is here on the BOI forever.

Think twice, walk away, think again, then post a Bad Guy BOI.

Not jump to conclusions before you do a little back ground research/ask other people. All you did was cast yourself in a pretty poor light.

 

[David Reid]

Nobody HAS to sell you anything! There goes 45 years down the drain.

Dave

 

[SPJ]

You should look into things BEFORE blasting someone about pricing. Took me all of 2 seconds to find this this.

shipping kit from SYR

$12.50 plus $8.50 basic shipping (probably more for shipping if you need them to rush it).

http://www.shipyourreptiles.com/shop/shipping_kits_1-5/product/snake_shipping_kit_1/

If you need a single box it's expensive

$29 sounds about right if the seller needed the material to ship and needed it quickly.

 

[jusmebabee]

Things seem to be going off course. We ship animals,there are costs involved,we accept that. That being said, we have a basic knowledge of how much things generally will cost. All I wanted to know was, what am I paying for? If you do not let me know,I will ask. If I knew there was a 29.00 box charge we would have thanked the man for his time and left it at that. It was not presented to us in the begining that there was a box charge. All charges, I guess were lumped under shipping. Sooo, being that we were under the assumtion that the guy may be paying to much for shipping (not everyone has shipping knowledge, and please keep in mind ,we do not know him or even heard of him before this deal) I offered to look into shipping because I felt we could get a better rate. The man does not mention any box charges and at this point and seems good with me looking into less expensive shipping because he sends us his zipcode and the box size. Its not until after this do we even hear box charge and shipping. So now I feel like, why didn't you say that in the begining. Even though some people are good with paying a huge box fee, I am not and I am wondering why is it so high for a small box. I don't think my actions are out of character in trying to find out what we are being charged for and how much. At that point I get a bit uneasy about this deal. Why, because we are not being told what charges are for what.Again, with no break down on charges I offered him the cost of his animal and actual shipping charges. His reply was a quick"I'll keep her. That just left me feeling like,I upset him over an assumed 29.00 box charge...I personally never heard of or paid 29.00 for any box,let alone one that was only 8x8x6.It made me feel like I was being scammed. Like I said I did not know the man, did not know he was a Doctor and whats more did not know why he couldn't have just said right from the begining-there is a box charge of 29.00. It was upsetting to us because we did want the animal and felt we were not being unreasonable in our request. So it further made me feel like something is fishy here. I know if I did things like this to my customers,they would call me out on it. If the gentleman has not done a lot of shipping, then all the more reason for him to be up front with his policy,after all I don't know him and he doesn't know me. The whole underlying reason this thread was started was because,we felt there was something not right. I am not out to hang anyone, just making my feelings public for others to know in case they have the same thing happen to them .Selling and buying on the internet, I know many of you can attest to scams being worked,especially in this business.This just felt like it was to us. Not knowing who your dealing with you can only judge by what transpires in your messaging.If the Doctor meant no wrong, I am not saying he did. But I am saying things should NOT be so vague that people have to guess at what is what.At least be up front with your charges so people know there is a high box charge involved and the costs are not just shipping. Then AFTER your customer looks into getting a less expensive rate suddenly say "and box charge"....(if you buy, lets say a car that you have been looking for, for 1000.00 delivered and you know that normal delivery charges are 200.00 and the car is only 500.00 ,you wouldn't ask why the delivery is so expensive? If money is no object ,I guess you wouldn't care but if money is a bit tuff to aquire you would ask and if the salesman says,"we use a special trailer" wouldn't you say" what kind of trailer costs 500.00 when everyone else gets the cars to there customers for only 200.00? If the salesman says suddenly well we decided to just keep the car, good bye. YOU WOULD BE WONDERING WHATS UP WITH THAT? THAT IS NOT RIGHT. Really at this point, I guess we can all agree to disagree. If you feel the guy was good with what he did then again,that is your feelings. These were our feelings based on years of doing business in this field not a witch hunt.We thought we were being helpful to others.

People probably aren't reading what your typing in the above format. It's like one long run on sentence. Try paragraphs. Makes It tolerable.

 

[treeboa]

In his response to your email for his zip he told you straight out the extra money for the box and PayPal fee. I have no idea why you keep saying you didn't know what the $29 was for. If you didn't like it, move on and buy from someone else. (I would have.) Coming here to whine about it just makes you look bad.