Bad Guy Josh M Braeden. this guy is a scammer(beware)

[spyder79]

Which only means that this thread is about two dirtbags instead of one.

now ill drink to that one.

 

[spyder79]

south carolina's department of natural resources does have a statute that protects native fauna. Not to mention that the spotted salamander is the state amphibian of South carolina. So yes id pretty much guess it is protected.

 

[critical bill]

I can't find a law regarding collecting amphibians in South Carolina's Wildlife regs.
If there isn't any such law, then the guy didn't break the law.

Randal Berry

FYI -I never said he broke the law. I said "to do so without permit or license". If he doesn't require one then he doesn't require one. That doesn't excuse what he is doing.

 

[critical bill]

Yeppers, BECAUSE I said so!

Come on Randal, and I know you're old, but try and think back to a time when you actually loved animals and appreciated them for more than how much they meant to you in terms of money.

That should you bring you to around 5 yrs old.

 

[lanceheads]

Just make sure that they are yours if you put them on your table at the next show. It's funny what you consider right and wrong.

My point is, IF there isn't a law against it, then it's NOT Illegal.
Chuck thinks it's a MORAL issue, which has NOTHING to do with the LAW.
I applaud Chuck's stance of conservation, btw

 

[lanceheads]

*0n conservation

 

[DeeRa]

funny how still no response from the orginal poster after chucks catch on the collecting in the wild....hmmm last time I remember silence is never a good thing.

 

[critical bill]

He was here reading but he bolted. He knows he got busted.

Today was a victory. Salamanders won!

 

[Serafim]

south carolina's department of natural resources does have a statute that protects native fauna. Not to mention that the spotted salamander is the state amphibian of South carolina. So yes id pretty much guess it is protected.

You are correct you can verify this by contacting SCDNR @ 803-734-3886

 

[critical bill]

You are correct you can verify this by contacting SCDNR @ 803-734-3886

Thank You John! I think I'll give them a call tomorrow morning to talk about Mr. Thames Jr.

And this should be really good too with all of his email correspondence right here. Talk about incriminating evidence......

 

[spyder79]

he is watching again lol
wonder if he knows you cant remove anything from the boi once it is here.

 

[cobraman1]

to mister criticalbill,
First of all let me say that I did not collect these salamanders. i paid for them from a local dealer, but that is not the point of this thread. Even if i had collected these animals in the state of SC(it is legal) it is not any of your consern considering this thread has nothing to do with wc animals. So please keep your Selfrightous ignorant comments to yourself. the point of this thread is to warn people of this "bad guy". I would have answered you earlier, but my phone will only let me view these replys and not actually reply to them. Im sorry I dont sit on the computer all day long and wait for people to reply to everything asap. Please get a life and stick to the topic at hand. The BOI is all about proof and I put emails to prove my point. you on the other hand are just assuming. please, next time, keep your mouth shut if you dont know what you are talking about. thank you to all that supported me.

 

[spyder79]

do you have any proof on your statement of it not being illegal to sell that salamander in the state of south carolina or are you just talking out your rear. probably just talking out your rear.
ps i doubt that you got 35 salamanders from a dealer you probably got them out of the areas around your home. Its all good but being a liar is such a terrible attribute.

 

[cobraman1]

I dont have any proof on paper, but if you people are that interested in knowing if it is legal to sell marble salamanders in the state of SC, PLEASE call Mr. Steve Bennett of the SCDNR and ask him. I cant believe the comments some of you are making about me, when you dont know me and you dont have a clue of what animals I have. just because you have something native to your state, DOESNT mean you went out and "raped" the wildlife. I have canebrake rattlesnakes, EDB, eastern kings, corns, ect. all CB, but I guess ,by some of you, they must me illegal and raped from nature.

 

[spyder79]

i know for a fact it is illegal to own a canebreak rattlesnake in south carolina (let me introduce myself born and raised and lived the first 22 years of my life in Aiken, Edgefield, and North Augusta SC) The only rattlers allowed to be captive owned (weather CBB or WC) are non-native rattlesnakes. Canebreaks are native to SC. so if i were you i would not put my foot in my mouth just because you are angry that someone is stating their feelings about the animal that you have.

 

[cobraman1]

I am a bit angry that some of you are pointing fingers at me when you dont know what you are talking about. You are 110% wrong about SC laws. Canebrakes are perfectly legal in the state of SC. Maybe they are illegal in aiken county, but not for the whole state. I am very sure of that fact. Just like crocodilians are legal(except the american alligator) in SC, but lexington county makes them illegal. I Have 40 leaf frogs, 15 chubby frogs, and ten albino bull frogs(from mr.ed clark). does having 35 of one species mean I must have gone and collected all of them. give me a freakin break dude.

 

[cobraman1]

Also, I dont know where you are getting your information from, but all Native rattlesnakes to SC are legal to own. So, take your own foot out of your mouth. I will not be prob not be answering anymore post tonight, becasue I have a life and I will not be around a computer. Please dont assume I am guilty of anything until I get a chance to reply. thank you all for taking my thread and trying to turn me into a bad guy.

 

[Cyano]

http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-advanced-newt-salamander-topics/f30-species-genus-family-discussions/f38-mole-salamanders-but-not-tigers-axolotls-ambystomatids/59946-ambystoma-talpoideum.html

Looks like he doesnt even know what he sells.

Greg Mattesich

 

[Serafim]

Section 47-2-20.
South Carolina Code

'Exotic animal' means those species of animals that are inherently dangerous to humans. Exotic animals include, but are not limited to, the following orders and families, whether bred in the wild or in captivity, and any or all hybrids. The animals listed in parentheses are intended to act as examples and are not to be construed as an exhaustive list or limit the generality of each group of animals, unless otherwise specified:

(b) class reptilia:

(i) order squamata;

A. family boidae (only African rock pythons, amethystine pythons, boelen's pythons, burmese pythons, Indian pythons, olive pythons, reticulated pythons, yellow anacondas, green anacondas, and Jamaican boas);

B. family colubridae (only boomslangs, mangrove snakes, African twig snakes, and brown tree snakes);

C. family elapidae (coral snakes, cobras, and mambas);

D. family helodermatidae (venomous lizards);

E. family lacertilia (Salvator monitors and Salvadoran monitors);

F. family viperidae (copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlesnakes);

(ii) order crocodilia (crocodiles, alligators, caimans, and gavials

 

[spyder79]

Section 47-2-20.
South Carolina Code

'Exotic animal' means those species of animals that are inherently dangerous to humans. Exotic animals include, but are not limited to, the following orders and families, whether bred in the wild or in captivity, and any or all hybrids. The animals listed in parentheses are intended to act as examples and are not to be construed as an exhaustive list or limit the generality of each group of animals, unless otherwise specified:

(b) class reptilia:

(i) order squamata;

A. family boidae (only African rock pythons, amethystine pythons, boelen's pythons, burmese pythons, Indian pythons, olive pythons, reticulated pythons, yellow anacondas, green anacondas, and Jamaican boas);

B. family colubridae (only boomslangs, mangrove snakes, African twig snakes, and brown tree snakes);

C. family elapidae (coral snakes, cobras, and mambas);

D. family helodermatidae (venomous lizards);

E. family lacertilia (Salvator monitors and Salvadoran monitors);

F. family viperidae (copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlesnakes);

(ii) order crocodilia (crocodiles, alligators, caimans, and gavials

guess i can stop my google campaign i was trying to track that down. thanks.