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Bad Guy Kameron White

3240 said:
I totally disagree with you. I wouldn’t send that iguana back until I first received my refund. No way I’d trust the OP.
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You can disagree all you want. Most retail stores will not give refunds without the product. And a majority of the breeders I've seen would not give a refund without the animal.

And being that Kameron already said he'd just do a charge back and keep the money AND animal, I wouldn't send him a penny until I got the animal.

But you already have me on your do not deal with list, so your opinion doesn't really mean much to me. You tend to side with bad guys from what I've seen.
 
mhenry said:
In my experience I would never expect anyone to give me a refund before I sent an animal back.

3240 do you know of any breeders who do this on a regular basis or state it in their terms of sale???

All breeders I have ever dealt with will only refund after live arrival back to the seller.



Tyjohnko will you still honor his refund if he sends the animal back?
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I am a breeder and, no, I would never issue a refund before receiving the animal back. But, i always ship the animal that has been chosen and paid for. I believe a bait and switch may have happened here and would be afraid to ship the animal back to the OP without a refund in advance. It’s an issue of trust.
 
Akiranar said:
You can disagree all you want. Most retail stores will not give refunds without the product. And a majority of the breeders I've seen would not give a refund without the animal.

And being that Kameron already said he'd just do a charge back and keep the money AND animal, I wouldn't send him a penny until I got the animal.

But you already have me on your do not deal with list, so your opinion doesn't really mean much to me. You tend to side with bad guys from what I've seen.
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Mandi,

I really, really, really don’t care if I’m on your do not deal list. I don’t make a living in this industry. It’s just fun for me.
 

Kind of what I thought.

3249 after a buyer threatened to do a charge back and keep the animal as well you would still send him a refund prior to him sending the animal back? Ludicrous!

tyjohn Is Kw's picture after he received the animal the same one you sent him?
 
mhenry said:
Kind of what I thought.

3249 after a buyer threatened to do a charge back and keep the animal as well you would still send him a refund prior to him sending the animal back? Ludicrous!

tyjohn Is Kw's picture after he received the animal the same one you sent him?
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I wouldn’t pull a bait and switch on a customer so I can’t answer this.
 
The pictured animals look different to me too. I don't think the normal rules of refunds apply if the seller sent a different animal than was agreed upon. If indeed that is what happened, then that puts a whole different spin on the situation.

It sounds like it's turned into one person's word against the other. While I think Kameron could have presented his side of things more calmly and succinctly, that doesn't mean he's in the wrong and it doesn't make misrepresenting the animal ok.

To the OP, is there any way you could have mistakenly sent the buyer the wrong picture originally?

Whether this is some kind of mix up, or whether someone is lying (I'm really not sure if someone is or not) this situation IS fixable. Clearly there is a trust issue, but there has to be a way to get the iguana shipped back and the money refunded. You guys are both going to have to trust a little bit and work this out. Otherwise, someone is going to end up with both iguana and the money and that is not going to look good to anyone.
 
tlmoon said:
The pictured animals look different to me too. I don't think the normal rules of refunds apply if the seller sent a different animal than was agreed upon. If indeed that is what happened, then that puts a whole different spin on the situation.e.
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This is exactly what I’m trying to say but you’ve done a much nicer job.
 
3240 I wasnt implying you would do a bait and switch at all. but if one of your customers thought an animal was misrepresented that you sent them for whatever reason... you would send them their money back prior to the animal being returned to you?
 
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3240 I wasnt implying you would do a bait and switch at all. but if one of your customers thought an animal was misrepresented that you sent them for whatever reason... you would send them their money back prior to the animal being returned to you?
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Absolutely not. But, in this case I do believe the OP misrepresented his animal. Therefore, I wouldn’t trust him.
 
I only had 1 iguana , so there is no way i messed up the shipping.
First the pictures of my iguana and his picture he sent me after receive , everyone think it the same iguana
Then after multiple attempts , at this point after a months his pictures showed the iguana different. Sorry but i don't trust this guy and neither his pictures.
At this point he has been threatened , lying ... and somehow turn the situation in his favor. As i already said i represented my side and evidence.
There will be no trust from me to Kameron White at all.
I Gave him the a reasonable way to solve it and 1 month to solve the problem , i did sent back $100 and he kept it and broke the deal.
Just like one of the comment said , i don't think i'll get back the money nor the iguana.
 
Fair enough, John. It's equally possible that Kameron is substituting a different picture. From the outside, it's really hard to know which is which.

It would be great if the two of you could work out a way to resolve this. Maybe part of the money, with the rest on receipt? I guess the only real leverage is that if Kameron keeps the iguana and all the money, he is going to prove himself a bad guy.
 
Tyjohnko is the picture that he sent you after he received it posted in this BOI? If it is not please post it.
 
The iguana in post #141 has some dinged up marks on its head. I don't see those marks on the earlier pics (which would need to be the same animal) back on post #13 or #17. If its head got scratched up fairly recently, is that how it would look? I really don't know, so I'm honestly just asking.

I agree if there is an original photo that Kameron sent that would be good for comparison.
 
So the images in post #5 look more like the animal Kw received although I had to blow them up quite a bit.
 
John, in post #5, there are two images of the iguana shown attached to an email you sent. Please attach those two images of the iguana here so they can be easily viewed for evaluation.
 
This is the picture he sent me right after he received the iguana.

For the last times, I do not trust this guy and i knew he can overwhelmed the post later on with all of the "pictures" he can produce.
It's is fact that he is having the animal and the money , and i saw that he could careless about what all of you guy think and this BOIS as he stated earlier. He has showed that he could careless when all of you attacking him, He said earlier he'll return the money , but i always know it's not gonna happen.

I do not trust this guy at all nor his animal so It's really no way to solve the problem. I do not think i will see the iguana nor the money.
For the last time : he has threatened, lied about he will get the money back and keep the iguana
Broke the deal when i sent him money for refund.
And now , yes i think he is lying about his pictures ( i think nothing this guy would hesitate to do just to get as much from me as possible)
for the last time, i have represented my side and evidence, That's it for my part.
 

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John, in post #5, there are two images of the iguana shown attached to an email you sent. Please attach those two images of the iguana here so they can be easily viewed for evaluation.
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John, there are cooler and experienced minds who look only for the truth, and if they make a reasonable request of you, such as the specific request for these images, it would be helpful if you could comply.
 
3240 said:
I am a breeder and, no, I would never issue a refund before receiving the animal back. But, i always ship the animal that has been chosen and paid for. I believe a bait and switch may have happened here and would be afraid to ship the animal back to the OP without a refund in advance. It’s an issue of trust.
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And here is the issue at hand. The OP says he only had one iggy to ship out (ie the one that Kameron has).

Kameron says that the markings are different and demands a refund before shipping the animal back.

The crux of the matter is that Kameron may have more than just this particular iggy on hand, thus making it easy by substituting pics of his own animal to make his claims.

Another sticking point is the claim (see posted pics) by Kameron that he could just do a charge-back and keep both the iggy and the funds. Do you now see the problem here?

From Kameron's own words, he has shown himself as untrustworthy and unethical, all legal matters aside.
 
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