Katie Richardson - ExtraordinaryReptile’s - Questionable???

[Jim O]

It may also be that she is aware that if it is sent by USPS THEY will persue her for interstate fraud whereas fedex and ups don't care.

Actually it is still interstate fraud if the transaction crossed state lines no matter how it is paid for. Perhaps you mean mail fraud? If so, it is still that if she negotiates a Postal Money Order (which she is not unwilling to accept) under fraudulent conditions.

Again Wes, your reading of the wording is not how I see it and everything else is supposition.

Let's stick to the facts here people.

 

[Wilomn]

Let's stick to the facts here people.

I'd love to BUT someones conspicuous lack of participation is making it difficult.

Until such time as katie puts in an appearance supposition is really all I have to go on.

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong BUT, somehow, I am thinking it rather unlikely at this point.

 

[gmherps]

Scenario:
If I sent her a USPS money order, would she not cash it b/c of her fraudulent ways? Or would she cash it and send me these "hets"? I'm willing to bet I'd never see my cash nor the snakes EVER!!

 

[Jim O]

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong BUT, somehow, I am thinking it rather unlikely at this point.

Wes,

I don't disagree wth you on that one iota. But your insinuations with respect to her not wanting to take a postal money order are flat out wrong. At least not based on the facts. Read the listing. It does not say that. Accept that fact and let's move on.

As for not having facts, that's also not entirely so. We have the fact of her listing. It's a fact that some people have said some things with respect to her "hets" possibly not being hets. We have the fact that she hasn't come here to defend herself. And we have Steve first defending her and then not being so sure but we have few details...yet. Those pretty much sum up the facts. More would help. But supposition is just that, suppostion.

I have enough to know that I would not buy these animals at this point in time. And until Katie comes clean I hope that no one gets taken by her. But that is an opinion based on the facts that I do know.

If she explicitly said "No Postal Money Orders" then the discussion would be over. Since that is not the case, I'm going to reserve final judgement until or unless we hear more.

KATIE -- YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!!!

 

[Jim O]

Scenario:
If I sent her a USPS money order, would she not cash it b/c of her fraudulent ways? Or would she cash it and send me these "hets"? I'm willing to bet I'd never see my cash nor the snakes EVER!!

Based on what? Steve said he received snakes. He's just not convinced they are as they were represented. At least that's what I understand from the limited information that was disclosed.

I'd be willing to bet you would get snakes. As to whether you got what you paid for is another story. I would not wager as to their being correctly sexed nevermind the genetics.

 

[Wilomn]

The below quote is from page 4 of this thread.

I also find it interesting that she wants money orders sent most any way BUT USPS.

I wonder why that could be. Maybe she's legit but that fishy smell is getting stronger.

Ohhhhh Katie, come out come out wherever you are. You got some splaining to do.

I don't seem to have stated, at least to myself, that she REFUSED to take money orders, I merely pointed out that she doesn't seem enthusiastic about haveing them mailed to her. THAT is suspicious.

jim, you haven't been around long, at least not as a registered member so you may not know how many times variations of THIS transaction, or more correctly, attempted transaction, have come to light as total scams; whether it be innocent mistakes or someone who got taken trying to pass the loss off on to someone else, it is NOT new.

katie, have you NOTHING to say in your defense?

 

[ToshaMc]

Again

I think thats speculation. Would you send a $3000 money order in the mail? I wouldn't and I'd be wary of someone who would. As much as I disapprove of the scammers in this industry the over zealous don't help either. She may be a complete scam artist or she may have fallen into a bad situation and wants to unload the snakes. No one really knows for sure, for all we know they could both be on the up and up or they could be vacationing in Tahiti together.

Tosha McClintock

 

[Orchid Gecko]

Post from Katie

The following is self explanatory, I asked her to put something together and this is what she sent.

Steve

Here is what I want to post on Fauna but I just tried to and it said I dont have permissian to,if you could post it for me tonight I would appreciate it.Here it is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Okay everyone, this is a little weird for me since I am new to this you guys kinda freak me out. I am going to take my story to the beginning, I think this is a big misunderstanding going on here and I will try to clear it all up for everyone to get the story strait.

Okay here is goes.................................

I was interested in getting something I could purchase and resell on ReptiBid or Kingsnake. I couldn’t figure out what I wanted, but then I came across an ad on Reptibid that was selling het for albino ball pythons the name of the seller was Raymond Harrison from Harrisons Collection 2005. I took a look at his feedback and there was nothing negative against him or his business I also looked on fauna but the person who made the inquirery spelled his name wrong ramond harrison with out the Y he aslo had good feedback there. So I emailed him in curiosity maybe he could sell his whole clutches for a really good deal and then I could resell them......I got a reply back within two or three days he emailed me and said that would work great he asked me for my phone number I sent it to him. And we begin to discus what he had available and good "wholesale" prices for everything, once we came to an agreement we discussed how we would be able to get them shipped or I could come pick them up, I wanted to come pick them up myself because I wanted to see his original morph parents "I do not know much about breeding ball pythons myself, all I really know is the basic information on Care, but I did read the Ball Python Manual by Tracy Barker."

When we figured everything out I decided to meet him down in Florida where he would bring his Albino, Pied, and Clown parents with the females he bred them to. When I arrived to see them he was already there, as I recall he was driving a white SUV with all the ball pythons in the back in plastic heating type containers. Nothing looked disturbed even after the long trip. He brought a scale with him and weighed everything to show me everything was the proper weight. Everything looked really good and he was a very kind man, I met his wife a couple minutes later after she came out of the shopping center.

After they loaded everything into my van I paid for them the discussed amount and then he gave me all the paperwork and documentation that is included with the hets. He also gave me a original receipt explaining that I purchased all hets from him listing there numbers then he signed it, his wife signed it and so did I.

I do not believe I was ripped off at all, and there is nothing against Raymond or his Business, I have all documentation from the ball pythons my receipt are also included with the Hets.

Now I don’t think everyone understands the situation with the Het for pied females. Now I will try to explain it again to everyone but it seems like this is the biggest misunderstanding.

Raymond shipped the three het for pied females to a customer who purchased from him a 1.2 regular ball pythons. The women who purchased the three het for pied females got a 1.2 in regulars. (he put the wrong label on the boxes after he packed them up.) When he got the women who purchased the 3 het pied females emailing him and saying she received a 1.2 with no paperwork he new automatically thought he most of put the wrong label on the wrong box since those were the only boxes he shipped that day. He automatically contacted the guy who got the 3 het for pied females instead of the 1.2 in regulars and told him that he shipped the wrong order the guy did not email him to tell him that he received the wrong order and he did not get the three females back for about a week or two so he figured the guy took his three females and swopped them with three regular females of the same size, he told me he does not want to trust it and sell them as 100% if they aren’t 100% and just some normal females. So he emailed me and told me the story and asked if I would purchase them from him as 50% since he is not positive but there is a 50/50 chance these are his females. So I paid the price 50% would cost for all three females.

So that is why I am selling them as 50% not because I got ripped off because I do not believe I got ripped off, I am selling them as 50% because Raymond told me that is how he wants them to be sold since there is a 50/50 chance plus if they do prove out to be pied you paid a very small amount for them.

I was not sure how I was going to sell them, but if you think it is best for me to sell them as regulars I guess I could do that but I would not make back the price I paid for them.

I never listed the three females as real 100% het for pied and I am not listing them as normals now ether I do not even have them on right now. I have not had them listed because I do not know how I am going to sell them yet.

Now for the package deal I purchased a lot of Ball Pythons from Raymond and Sarah Harrison that is why I have been listing a lot at a time like this if that is not a good idea then I could also list them separately. I was just trying to add to the value by putting in the Free male and Gravid female ball pythons, now someone asked why wouldn’t I just keep the Gravid female ball because I do not have any knowledge on breeding ball python and how to hatch out there eggs I have had Lizards breed and the eggs got infested with parasites and died. After that experience I did not want to do that again.

The ball pythons feel really neat when they are gravid though maybe I will keep one and try to hatch the eggs out myself but I would need lots of help. I do not think these bred at my place I think I purchased them from Raymond gravid but they didn’t look like they were gravid when I first got them. I just started to feel the eggs, maybe there is a male in the same cage with all the females, that would be funny!

Anyway I hope this clears this misunderstanding all up.

Oh and to the person who says I changed my name I have never changed my name it has always been Katie Richardson and I just started this business and I have never had a reptile business in the past.



Happy Easter,

Katie Richardson

 

[David Reid]

I really think there is alot of overanalyzing going on...

and the focus has changed from "someone might be selling some normals as hets," to, lets pile on the guy who said something good about the seller. I think alot of you put one and one togather, and get five. I think someone emailed the original seller about this thread, she has not come on to defend herself, and I think that speaks volumes. That being said, lay off the guy who is NOT SELLING ANYTHING. I think in many instances the BOI is an outstanding tool for buyers and sellers, especially in the computer/internet age, but I feel this thread should be about 2 pages at the most...keep emailing the seller, and see what she has to say, if nothing....

Dave

 

[Jim O]

The below quote is from page 4 of this thread.
jim, you haven't been around long, at least not as a registered member so you may not know how many times variations of THIS transaction, or more correctly, attempted transaction, have come to light as total scams; whether it be innocent mistakes or someone who got taken trying to pass the loss off on to someone else, it is NOT new.

katie, have you NOTHING to say in your defense?

Wes,

I'm 45 and have been keeping retiles since the 1960's. Is that "around" long enough?

I've been online sine the mid 1990's. Is that long enough?

I may not have registered for this forum until a few months ago but that does not define my online existence or my herp experience. If we want to look at some other facts, you have been registered here for years, made over 2,000 posts and have exactly ONE trader reference (ironically it's from Greg). I have a few more than that in my short time here. Best I can gather is you say a lot but we all know that talk is cheap. Since I have become active here I have been attacked for speaking the truth. This isn't about my "experience" or lack thereof. This is supposed to be a "Board of Inquiry" not a "Board of Crucifixion that tolerates no dissent".

BTW...on my view, this is still page 2 of this thread as I have 40 posts per page.

And yes, you said exactly that. And Greg, without checking the facts interpreted that to mean no postal money orders. And when that was posted I corrected it with facts. Did you? No. And when I did, you chimed in with the it seems to me that she doesn't want money orders post and then with doesn't want them mailed cause she's afraid of federal authorities (when there was a perfectly plausable alternative explanation). And I disagreed with you on both. Now those are the facts.

Again, this is not about me or about you. But I will not sit by and allow people to put words into Katie's silent mouth. Her silence speaks loudly enough for itself.

 

[Wilomn]

steve, it's against TOS for you to post for katie. She needs to either pony up the ten bucks or email Rich and ask him to give her access to The Boi.

There are a few holes in the story and I would most certainly aviod any dealings with her.

Still waiting for pics and invoices.

 

[SPJ]

As far as the USPS MO goes. You get a receipt on it. That can be scanned and sent to the seller. You can also mail it from the post office and it is trackable and can require a signature upon receipt.
I would rather use that method than go to the grocery store and buy a
MO and send it UPS.

 

[Jim O]

steve, it's against TOS for you to post for katie. She needs to either pony up the ten bucks or email Rich and ask him to give her access to The Boi.

There are a few holes in the story and I would most certainly aviod any dealings with her.

Still waiting for pics and invoices.

It's free to reply. You only need to pay the $10 to post a new thread is my understanding.

Seems Katie is a bit naive and perhaps no more than that. As it was related, she is new to this. Now Mr. Harrison may be a different story.

And now we know why the "hets" may not have been hets. I wouldn't buy them as anything but normals.

 

[Wilomn]

No matter what, katie needs to post here herself.

Well, she only needs to if she's of upstanding character and cares about her reputation.

If she made honest mistakes and corrects them she will be just fine. If she didn't then, and ONLY then, it's crucifien' time.

katie, time to speak for yourself.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Wes,

If we want to look at some other facts, you have been registered here for years, made over 2,000 posts and have exactly ONE trader reference (ironically it's from Greg). I have a few more than that in my short time here. Best I can gather is you say a lot but we all know that talk is cheap. Since I have become active here I have been attacked for speaking the truth. This isn't about my "experience" or lack thereof. This is supposed to be a "Board of Inquiry" not a "Board of Crucifixion that tolerates no dissent".
.

Wooo. Wait a minute you bought yours over three days.

I usaully post links for everyone looking for info on people
If you want to check your facts about Wes you can do the search yourself.

Jim the person you jumped in to defend on the other thread has a long track record here maybe you should Check Your Facts.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Oh and Jim,

Welcome to Fauna

 

[Jim O]

See, there you go, Dennis...

...making this about me.

Wooo. Wait a minute you bought yours over three days.

I "bought" my reputation? Ummm...that's an unwarranted attack. But Dennis, please, ASK if I offered to PAY for my reputation in money or in kind. If you find evidence that I paid for any reputation, real evidence, post it. If not you know where you can post your retraction.

I usaully post links for everyone looking for info on people

As long as you brought it up, yes I noticed that. I for one think find this particularly pedantic behavior a bit annoying but never would have said anything had you not brought it up yourself.

If you want to check your facts about Wes you can do the search yourself.

Dennis, I did. Here they are:

I was alluding to his exactly ONE reputation point. There it is. Fact.

Jim the person you jumped in to defend on the other thread has a long track record here maybe you should Check Your Facts.

Ummm...Dennis, check your facts. When you are done, please show where I "jumped in" to defend one party at the expense of the other. Be fair now and look at all of the posts. I'll make the search easy for you. Follow this link:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/search.php?searchid=70430


I think you will find that the most that I said was that I had done business recently with both parties in that dispute but please give everyone a report here with quotes, or even better with screen shots to see where I defended someone there. Knock yourself out. Oh, and again, you know where to post it. While you are reading please be sure to note the praise I heaped on Wes when it was due him.

I am so glad that a mature group of so-called adults can lose focus so quickly and be so quick to turn a discussion about someone into an attack on another.

Oh and Jim,

Welcome to Fauna

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you would never post sarcasm in this forum. So thank you Dennis. You're the first to do so.

Please people, don't make this personal about me. Have objective info about me, post it in the appropriate thread. Don't like me, ignore what I have to say. That's always your option.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Yes, I really did mean welcome to Fauna. Nobody said you could not voice your opinion.

I was merely pointing out that Wes has a lot more than that one transaction that you alluded to.

The other thread was the one with Jim S., who is systematically attacking all the good guys that have worked hard to build their reputations here. Who has been suspended from this forum and you have
decided in your righteous wisdom after reading one thread of several that everyone is unfairly attacking him. Why? Because you had a good transaction with him.


But this is really not the place. You have a thread with your name on it already in the hell forum.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

As long as you brought it up, yes I noticed that. I for one think find this particularly pedantic behavior a bit annoying but never would have said anything had you not brought it up yourself.

I missed that one about me helping people with links concerning the business or person(s) they are searching for annoys you. I guess all the emails I have received thanking me were for nothing.

This is a common courtesy and will continue to be done by me the moderators and everyone else. That is what this board is here for to help each other.

Well, I am truly sorry helping people find the information they are looking for annoys you.

 

[Jim O]

Yes, I really did mean welcome to Fauna. Nobody said you could not voice your opinion.

I was merely pointing out that Wes has a lot more than that one transaction that you alluded to.

The other thread was the one with Jim S., who is systematically attacking all the good guys that have worked hard to build their reputations here. Who has been suspended from this forum and you have
decided in your righteous wisdom after reading one thread of several that everyone is unfairly attacking him. Why? Because you had a good transaction with him.


But this is really not the place. You have a thread with your name on it already in the hell forum.

Thank you again for the welcome and for letting me know that I am allowed to speak here. I was beginning to wonder about that.

Please Dennis, read my posts and show me where I have defended the individual in question or said that anyone is unfairly attacking him. I complained that he was being baited. That's a bit different. And yes, I have done business with both of them. Pleasant transactions both. But that was never my point in that thread.

As for the thread in "Hell" with my name on it, thanks for pointing it out to me. I had not been aware of it as that is not a forum worth reading. Who made that post????? Who felt the need to start that there??? Not me. You won't even see me respond to it as it does not warrant it. My posts have not been personal attacks on anyone. If anything I have asked people to stick to facts and base their opinions on them.

In this thread people got a bit off track over the postal money order issue. I pointed that out and all manner of defensive behavior emerged. We all make mistakes. Perhaps mine was assuming that others can recognize their own and live with them.

As for being suspended from this site, that is hardly a criteria I would use to judge anyone unless you also want to be fair about it. Seems Wes also has been suspended. Four times in fact. That doesn't make him any less of a good guy for visiting Terry P and retrieving some of Kelli H's snakes, something I commented on in that thread and which I still believe to be true, despite the post made about me in "Hell".

And yes, I know you are trying to be helpful in posting links. If it were me that you were helping, I would prefer not to have my inability to do a search made public. A private message would be different.

Still waiting on how I "bought" my reputation.