KelliH and others Banned? Why?

[KelliH]

Look at the stories about the priests sexually abusing the young children entrusted into their care. The news stories one sees of church notaries who steal and make off with the contributions that families, many times poor families, sacrifice and tithe to see the work of God done. Yes, such horrors exist; but joining this group I think, should be avoided.

Lucille, child molestation and theivery are horrible things, and comparing those acts to what Marcia did is ridiculous, and you know it. All Marcia did, and all I did, was say "so and so over at Fauna really annoys me". And look at the huge deal that has been made about that. It still confuses the heck out of me that what was said in the "Fave Fauna Members" thread on the test site about you and Rich was MUCH less inflamatory than what is said about the two of you on another reptile related website (you know which one I am referring to), yet no screenshots are posted here of those threads.

I should have stepped down as Leo Forum Mod as soon as the "fiasco" comment written and the subsequent phone conversation took place between my husband and Rich. But instead I began working on GeckoForums.net and really wasn't thinking much about my Mod "duties" over here. I never really did anything different as Mod here than I did before I was made the Mod. There are only three Moderators on Fauna: Jay, Ken and Dennis. All the others should really be called "Forum Leaders" or something. But I digress.

I have explained this several times before but I guess I need to do so one more time. I was unhappy on Fauna for a long time, ever since I was made aware of what had happened with the Hayden Fund. OK, first of all, when I was told by Chris what had happened, I was way beyond emotionally messed up, I was in shock and my brain was in no condition to fully process and understand what was happening and what I was being told. All I knew was that what he told me hurt me very badly, very deeply. And even after that I tried to get past my hurt and continue to interact on Fauna, but then a snide (I thought) remark would be made and I felt that hurt all over again.

I was upset with Rich for not putting aside personal differences with Chris, and for caring whether the auctions were held on TSE's forum. I never could understand why that would matter.

I was upset with Lucille for basically abandoning the Hayden Fund auctions in the middle of them all, just threw up her hands and bailed. Real classy. Luckily Wendy stepped in and got the job done.

As far as a public apology, what is the point? Those that despise us so much would not be satisfied by that. Besides, Marcia already made a public apology on the test site. I have apologized privately to those I felt I needed to, that does include Webslave.

Kelli, Would you agree, that for the most part, what Dr. Owens posted below is correct? Perhaps, we could just have some dialog here that can set some of this aside. If not, all this will just continue to fester and nothing really will be solved.

Oh I would like that Dennis, and have made attempts to start some dialog. But see, just when I am feeling hopeful that perhaps some of the more personal issues could be worked out privately, I read things like this-

As for those people over on Kelli's site ostracizing you, I really can't see where that is any real big loss. If I never had any contact with any of them ever again, it would be no loss to me whatsoever.

Rich Zuchowski

That is the problem when associating with liars. They know exactly what it is to be a liar, so they assume everyone else is as well. I have no desire nor reason to involve myself with their issues in any manner whatsoever.

Rich Zuchowski

So you see Dennis, why should I attempt any more dialog when it is clear that the other party couldn't care less. It's pointless.

 

[shrap]

Bobby,

Why don't you take off your Fauna Colored Glasses and look at things objectively and unbiased for once. I can understand Rich not wanting holes or big X's in place of pictures in threads, but the PERSONAL FORUMS were just that, PERSONAL.

Kelli's old site.... that's it Bobby, run home to momma when you have no real ground to stand on and you know I am right. Sheesh.

 

[shrap]

Your right Sammy, It was HONEST, Honest back biting. Well at least we see were you are going with this, as well as were you stand.

No we don't see where I am going with this Bobby or where I stand.... why don't you enlighten us and tell everyone exactly where I am going and where I stand? Please.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

The intention of my post was to try and curtail some of tensions here not escalate the subject. I apologize and will not try it again.

 

[KelliH]

But Rich was not the only one you were slamming that day, was he?

Bobby, she apologized to everyone that was hurt by the thread.

Kelli, I also noticed how the original link that to that discussion about the bashing now leads to a nice thread. Yes, this is the link that went to that thread. One would think it would be a dead link. How nice!!

Uhhh ok what exactly is your point?

Facts? Sammy, the fact of the matter is they asked for them forums, well they got them. Now they want them removed, I might add with all of thier attachments on this site. It is Rich's choice if he wants to do that. Thier actions IMO, show they are not worthy of any requests. If it is given, it would be a gift.

That's right Bobby, we paid $50 for our own Member Forums that we were Mods of and had complete control over. That's not exactly what we are getting now, is it. All he has to do is delete the forums, I think mine only has 5 or 6 threads in it, it's not going to matter to anyone except me if it is gone or not.

Arghh, this is going nowhere! It's like talking to a wall!

 

[KelliH]

The intention of my post was to try and curtail some of tensions here not escalate the subject. I apologize and will not try it again.

Dennis, I understand and I thank you for caring enough to try.

 

[varnyard]

Bobby, Why don't you take off your Fauna Colored Glasses and look at things objectively and unbiased for once. I can understand Rich not wanting holes or big X's in place of pictures in threads, but the PERSONAL FORUMS were just that, PERSONAL.

I don't need ant specal glasses to see the facts here. The sceen shot says it all. As for PERSONAL FORUMS, now Sammy, is this not a public forum? So it has been there for anyone that owns/uses a computer to see.

I would also ask again, why is it that the link is not dead? The bashing thread has been replaced with a striped gecko forum.

Kelli's old site.... that's it Bobby, run home to momma when you have no real ground to stand on and you know I am right. Sheesh.

How old are you Sammy? If thats not a childish statement.

 

[varnyard]

No we don't see where I am going with this Bobby or where I stand.... why don't you enlighten us and tell everyone exactly where I am going and where I stand? Please.

Well that easy, your actions/words speaks volumes about yourself. I think it explains it all.

 

[nicolai]

I feel like I am watching a kindergarden class at recess!!!

He said this, she said that, i am going take that from you, I am going to do this, I want this, you cant have this, well your a ****, no your a ****!!!!, awwww you cant say that!! Oh no he said that!!!
You realize there are people sitting back and laughing their you know what off over this soap opera. Everyone involved needs to act like adults, quit the snide remarks and name calling and act like intelligent adults.
Instead of everyone taking sides, why doesn't someone come up with a constructive way to resolve all this so we as a reptile family and community can overcome all the drama and work together to better things.

 

[kmurphy]

Instead of everyone taking sides, why doesn't someone come up with a constructive way to resolve all this so we as a reptile family and community can overcome all the drama and work together to better things.

I know this isn't a democracy by my vote is to take them down and be done with it. Leaving them up is causing more harm then they are worth to Fauna. I would hate to see more people leave over this episode.

 

[Fedawg]

I remember also, the people of God I knew. It is, I think, a position of trust and respect.

And Marcia is 100% correct, religious folks are not above human failings, there are those who abuse that trust given them by God and man.

Look at the stories about the priests sexually abusing the young children entrusted into their care. The news stories one sees of church notaries who steal and make off with the contributions that families, many times poor families, sacrifice and tithe to see the work of God done. Yes, such horrors exist; but joining this group I think, should be avoided.

That we all stumble and fall once in a while is a given. What I have seen lately is a degree of relish and glee in the descent that does not become those who hold a holy calling.

One would expect that those entrusted with such a calling would do their best to follow the teachings of the Bible, to be kind, to follow the commandment to 'treat thy neighbor as thyself'. I don't see that happening, here.

Lucille, I think and think , yet I just cant figure it out. Do you have a special part of the human brain where you can repeatedly derive such statements??????

Who the hell are you to compare someone like Marcia to a child diddling priest???? Granted I really dont know the lady too well at all , but I have talked to her a few times in a chat room , and pedaphile was not something that crossed mind.

Your going to be a lawyer?? How are you gonna pass the test ??? you spend 100% of your life on this website , where do you find the time to study

 

[KelliH]

I would also ask again, why is it that the link is not dead? The bashing thread has been replaced with a striped gecko forum.

Bobby, it was inevitable that the link go to a thread on the new site. Both links were for geckoforums.net. It's just the way the V-bulletin program works, it's not a conspiracy or anything! LOL

He said this, she said that, i am going take that from you, I am going to do this, I want this, you cant have this, well your a ****, no your a ****!!!!, awwww you cant say that!! Oh no he said that!!!
You realize there are people sitting back and laughing their you know what off over this soap opera. Everyone involved needs to act like adults, quit the snide remarks and name calling and act like intelligent adults.
Instead of everyone taking sides, why doesn't someone come up with a constructive way to resolve all this so we as a reptile family and community can overcome all the drama and work together to better things.

You are right Nick, it does seem childish but sometimes people act in rather childish ways when the'r feelings are hurt and they are angry. Just the way it is.

 

[shrap]

I don't need ant specal glasses to see the facts here. The sceen shot says it all.

Huh??? What does that have to do with anything we were talking about ..... running home to mama again?

I would also ask again, why is it that the link is not dead? The bashing thread has been replaced with a striped gecko forum.

Let me teach you about how the net and forum software works Bobby. The forum software generates unique thread ID's. Starting low and going high as with each new thread being created. Now when the test forum got deleted and the new forum reinstalled and put in place the forum software started generating unique thread ID's all over again. It wasnt replaced, it was just a case of that unique thread ID got reused when the new forum software started generating new unique thread ID's as new threads were created. Get it?

How old are you Sammy? If thats not a childish statement.

Why? Will you come play in my sandbox with me?

 

[shrap]

Well that easy, your actions/words speaks volumes about yourself. I think it explains it all.

No it really don't. Tell us what it all means Bobby. Please please tell us oh great all knowing one.

What you don't get Bobby is that I aint on Kelli's side and I aint on Rich's side. I stand on the side of what I feel is right and wrong, like I have always stood. I don't care if it was my own mother, if I felt she was in the wrong about something I would most certainly say so whether she liked it or not. Being right or wrong has nothing to do with WHO you are. Something many of you dont grasp.

Do I feel Marcia and Kelli, myself and others were wrong for saying how they honestly felt about people? Not even a little bit. How can one be wrong for saying how they feel?

Do I think they did not hold to the spirit of being a mod here by their actions? I sure do think they violated that spirit. But you people aint trying to nail them to the cross for that wrong, you people are wanting to nail them to the cross for how they feel. Which is BS in my opinion.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I remember also, the people of God I knew. It is, I think, a position of trust and respect.

And Marcia is 100% correct, religious folks are not above human failings, there are those who abuse that trust given them by God and man.

Look at the stories about the priests sexually abusing the young children entrusted into their care. The news stories one sees of church notaries who steal and make off with the contributions that families, many times poor families, sacrifice and tithe to see the work of God done. Yes, such horrors exist; but joining this group I think, should be avoided.

That we all stumble and fall once in a while is a given. What I have seen lately is a degree of relish and glee in the descent that does not become those who hold a holy calling.

One would expect that those entrusted with such a calling would do their best to follow the teachings of the Bible, to be kind, to follow the commandment to 'treat thy neighbor as thyself'. I don't see that happening, here.

HOW DARE YOU!!! ...and you wonder why YOU haven't received an apology from me.

 

[varnyard]

Huh??? What does that have to do with anything we were talking about ..... running home to mama again?

Sammy Gregg, what is the topic of this thread?? Your personal attacks toward me are off topic, dont you think?

Let me teach you about how the net and forum software works Bobby. The forum software generates unique thread ID's. Starting low and going high as with each new thread being created. Now when the test forum got deleted and the new forum reinstalled and put in place the forum software started generating unique thread ID's all over again. It wasnt replaced, it was just a case of that unique thread ID got reused when the new forum software started generating new unique thread ID's as new threads were created. Get it?





Why? Will you come play in my sandbox with me?

Well, you say your age is what? Your profile says 37, with your actions it would tend to make one wonder. But if I ever decide to go back to building sand castles again, I will let you know.

 

[shrap]

So who here thinks Lucille comparing Marcia to a pedophile it right? Is that right Bobby? Do you have the guts to admit that that was WAY WRONG? Or are you going to find a way to justify that just because of WHO it is?

 

[nicolai]

Why? Will you come play in my sandbox with me?

The intention of my post was to try and curtail some of tensions here not escalate the subject. I apologize and will not try it again.

Dennis, I am with you!!! Its not going to stop,I give up trying to help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will wait for the smoke to clear!!!

 

[shrap]

Sammy Gregg, what is the topic of this thread?? Your personal attacks toward me are off topic, dont you think?

Pot calling the kettle black there eh Bobby? Just look at your sentence below and many of your previous posts towards me. Being quite the hypocrite there aint ya Bobby?

Well, you say your age is what? Your profile says 37, with your actions it would tend to make one wonder. But if I ever decide to go back to building sand castles again, I will let you know.

Not just sand castles Bobby, I got new Army Men yesterday too!!!!

 

[KelliH]

You know what? This has become utterly ridiculous. I have a family (what's left of it), a home, and a collection of animals to care for. All this stuff has taken up way too much of my time, and time spent with your family and children is way too precious to be wasted. Trust me folks, every second counts and it can all be gone in the blink of an eye. Just like that, everything you love and cherish about your life and your entire future can dissapear in one horrible and violent second. I'm sorry but I have more important things to do in the upcoming days than come here and try to explain my choices and actions to you. If it makes you feel better Bobby, Lucille, Rich, David G and the rest that are so "disgusted" by me, I will never, ever have true happiness again, never have a really great day ever again, no more sunshine in my life, only clouds and fading memories of what happiness used to mean, and a longing that will never be fullfiled. You guys have fun.