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kenneth Yates of South Carolina

Re: In Fairness

COBRAMAN said:
I gotta say, that I doubt the snakes sent were venomoids, because if they were, I can't see any reason for ken to pay Mardi $200 to bag them. If they were already venomoids, I'm sure ken would have bagged them himself, as there would have been no risk. So that's one for you Kevin.....However...

Kevin, I quoate you as saying "I did make a mistake by starting the other thread, since I did not know the lengths people would go to cover up their wrong doings."

Because of our mutual agreement to let that post die, I won't go deeply into this other than to say that I did nothing to cover any wrong doings, because I did no wrong doings in that issue, and you know that. Now Kevin, you see that I have been good by our agreement, and other than answering your question about rigor mortis, have said nothing about this mess on this thread. I would like to keep it that way, so I suggest that if you are going to respond to peoples remarks about that other thread, you do so in a way that is at very least not making any derogatory remarks about me (either directly or indirectly) so I don't have to get in this one and make it ugly.

Other than that remark, I have to agree that you are handling this situation quite well. You posted good pics that back up your side of the story, and have kept a level head.

Again, sorry to hear of your loss,
Ray Hunter
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research and help for ken kevin just keep pushing because i know what this is about
 
Scott more

I understand that alot of venomous are not affected by there own/or other of there own .
But could rattlers , puff adders or cobras kill them if a bite were to happen?
 
Thank you Scott for answering my question. I didn't think that two mambas would be put in the same bag. This leads me to wonder if all were sent to Kevin since they were singly bagged.
 
wrong

rob
these were 10-15 hour heat paks x two of them heating upto 156 degrees each
they wanted them shipped quickly because they had payed me CASH in twentys (curious huh) and that was the thickest insulation avalible
 
all most every snake was individually bagged except for babies
all adults and sub adults bagged seperatly. remember i payed a professional
 
thanks scott

i thought that could happen and have been wondering if it did happen.... now ken can you answer what and how they were bagged and crated when shipped ? also Kevin you unpacked them you might could answer were there mixed species in the same crate ??
 
Well golly gee Walley , what happened to the other snakes kevin was suppose to get is whats on my mind and should I be careful if I fly delta or just sneak a snake hook and bags past security to get some free hots????

Scott Bice
 
ok Ken

professionaly laid out ? explain to me please
so this would mean on average there were 9 snakes per crate in there own bag right ?
6 boxes
king cobra in 1 box
leaves 5 boxes with a minimal of 43 snakes diveded between them would be 8.6 per box .
so what would keep them seprated ?
 
elite said:
you are crazy. the deal was ro ship yjem all i would never kill anpther animal intention that is why i hired a profesional to help me daaaaa
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Ken,

Your just not listening to everyone are you. You did just that! You intentionally killed those animal by intentionally using the improper insulation and the improper heat packs. There is NO EXCUSE! for what you did PERIOD!. There is no way your going to get rid of this situation other than refunding the money on the animals YOU killed. I am very glad that you are out of snakes as you have no business dealing in any live animals ever again.

Also Ken there is no way those heat packs are 10-15 hour heat packs. Those are the 4-6 hour hand warmers. I use more than you can imagine and can tell the difference on them by looking at them as can many people who use them and know how to package animals correctly. Nice try.
 
Fun with quotes from Kenneth...

"nut jnow i have sold all out and can truly say goodbye"

"what debt i shipped by the agreement????????"

"you are crazy. the deal was ro ship yjem all i would never kill anpther animal intention that is why i hired a profesional to help me daaaaa"

Okay first, am I the only one reading this giberish and bad english, wondering if this guy is speaking Klingon or something??? Those comments are unintelligable, except for the debt comment, which is just plain nutty.

now.....

"research and help for ken kevin just keep pushing because i know what this is about"

You're right Kenneth, I know what this is about. It is about you ripping me off and knowingly shipping snakes to me using improper packing methods. Lastly, it is about you scraping for anything to change the subject and try and put the blaim on someone else besides yourself. Examples:

" I switched mambas", "I deal in venomoids", ect.

Okay, now for the last quote......

"these were 10-15 hour heat paks x two of them heating upto 156 degrees each
they wanted them shipped quickly because they had payed me CASH in twentys (curious huh) and that was the thickest insulation avalible"

Now, really don't know where to start on this, there is so much wrong with it that I don't know. First, those heat packs are no where near 15hours! and they may get that hot, but doesn't do any good when the boxes are so big and the insulation is so inferior. On top of that, there were not heatpacks in some of the boxes, so that is even worse. As far as me wanting them shipped quickly, you were told over and over that it was not a rush, so I don't know how you can say that. Ask anyone else that I have been dealing with around the same time, I told them the same thng and I have had people wait to ship because of the weather and hollidays. As far as the cash issue, I thought it would be easier for you, since you wouldn't have to cash a check or moneyorder. What is so curious about it? I am in america right? I am free to have that much cash at one time right? Or is it just curious to you, because normally people would consider handing you that much cash at one time because of your business ethics??? Curious huh? And lastly for the insulation, you admitted that you knew it was the wrong insulation to use, you were told how to pack the animals, but you didn't want to wait, because you " just wanted rid of all of the venomous, since one of your employees got killed by the suphan". If you knew that it was wrong insulation, then you ARE the one responsible since it had such tragic consequences. I was more than fair with you and you decided to to make it a legal issue, that was not my decision, it was yours.
Kevin Smith
PS-as far as everyones comments, I would have joined in earlier, but I ROTFLMAO!!!!
 
elite said:
you are crazy. the deal was ro ship yjem all i would never kill anpther animal intention that is why i hired a profesional to help me daaaaa
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No one has said that you set out that morning with the intent to cause these snakes' deaths. However, you displayed gross negligence in packing them, and mortality was the inevitable result of your acts/omissions.

I run into a lot of people who don't "intend" to do the bad things that they do. Most drunk drivers don't intend to plow into a minivan, killing the family inside. Most red light runners don't intend to t-bone a car at the intersection. Folks that throw their cigarette butts out their car windows don't intend to start brushfires. It doesn't matter that you didn't intend for it to happen, your actions still caused it, and you are still culpable for the outcome. It comes down to what is referred to as the "reasonable man test." Would a reasonable person do the same thing under the same circumstances? The answer is a resounding NO.

To begin with, 1/4" styrofoam just doesn't cut the mustard. 1/2" and 3/4" aren't that hard to find. Besides home improvement stores, craft shops and hobby shops immediately come to mind as sources of thicker styrofoam. Heck, you could have even glued a few sheets together and provided the snakes with better protection from the ambient temps. At 30,000 feet, it gets awful cold in a cargo compartment, as their primary source of heat is whatever radiates from the passenger compartment through a sealed bulkhead. On the same not, they are also cooled by the outside air, which, at altitude, is in the ballpark of -45 degrees F. I can tell you from experience that it gets a bit chilly up there when you don't have heated air blowing on you.
 
sory, should say...

"Or is it just curious to you, because normally people would consider handing you that much cash at one time because of your business ethics???"

Should say that "people WOULDN'T consider handing you that much cash"

Kevin Smith
 
Now I'm confussed...

Kevin, did'nt you and Ken Yates both say that it was Ken in CA tha paid for the snakes? and that Ken sent him the money from California? If so, than how does your following quote apply to you? "As far as the cash issue, I thought it would be easier for you, since you wouldn't have to cash a check or moneyorder. What is so curious about it? I am in america right? I am free to have that much cash at one time right?"
And if Ken (in CA) did not pay for this order, why would he be upset and calling Ken Yates? So which is it.... did you pay for this shipment, or did Ken (your financial partner) as was stated before???
Jerry Stano
 
I will gladly explain...

The money was sent by me, arrangement were maid between my friend and I, so I paid Kenneth. He was sent cash, which was a mistake and I got lucky that I saved Ken's emails saying he recieved the money. If I would have sent a USpostal moneyorder, you bet I would have filed federal fraud charges immediately, now it is simply a small claims court issue. From now on, I am only sending USpostal moneyorders, because there are very few people that I trust anymore.
Thanks
Kevin Smith
 
Mr. Hunter..

"Originally posted by COBRAMAN
I gotta say, that I doubt the snakes sent were venomoids, because if they were, I can't see any reason for ken to pay Mardi $200 to bag them. If they were already venomoids, I'm sure ken would have bagged them himself, as there would have been no risk. So that's one for you Kevin.....However...

Kevin, I quoate you as saying "I did make a mistake by starting the other thread, since I did not know the lengths people would go to cover up their wrong doings."

Because of our mutual agreement to let that post die, I won't go deeply into this other than to say that I did nothing to cover any wrong doings, because I did no wrong doings in that issue, and you know that. Now Kevin, you see that I have been good by our agreement, and other than answering your question about rigor mortis, have said nothing about this mess on this thread. I would like to keep it that way, so I suggest that if you are going to respond to peoples remarks about that other thread, you do so in a way that is at very least not making any derogatory remarks about me (either directly or indirectly) so I don't have to get in this one and make it ugly.

Other than that remark, I have to agree that you are handling this situation quite well. You posted good pics that back up your side of the story, and have kept a level head.

Again, sorry to hear of your loss,
Ray Hunter "



Ray, Very well worded! When I saw that line in Kevin's post I knew you would catch that, and feared that it would triger you into some type of psychosis. I'm glad you handled your part of the agreement with Kevin so well. Proof that you are a amture man of your word.
See ya soon,
Jerry

ps- need more cobras, keep me posted. J.S.
 
I see....i think.

Than why was Ken in California so upset, and calling and cursing at Ken yates? If you paid for the shipment, why would Ken care either way? Sorry I am confussed, but even you mentioned something about your friend (Ken) in california having sent cash for this order, and Ken Yates confirmed receiving cash from Ken in California. Hmmm, I'll go back and read the whole thread, and e-mails I received.
Jerry
 
On the subject....

of rip off artists in this hobby. Has anyone noticed the explosion of bad deals in the past few years? It is amazing, I was discussing it with someone the other day. Does anyone remember Gary Strousse??? He was the original blacklist all-star. I had never met a thief in this business until I met him and ever since, it seems like there are just more and more thieves popping up everywhere. What are everyone's thoughts on this? We can see by the growth of the board of inquiry from the beginning that there is something seriously wrong gong on. I would love to hear other people's thoughts on this.
Thanks,
kevin Smith
 
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