Info Kent Sanchez

[Shadera]

Hope you guys are boycotting your friend Samantha's "very good friend" El Guapo Reptiles too. They flipped this snake before your seller did. Ethics and all, you know?

 

[Lucille]

I'm going into an industry (the medical field) where honesty and ethics are huge.

I began a deal with Kent and simply backed away because I felt like something wasn't right. Once I found out why it felt so off to me, it made sense (at least it did to me). However, I felt it necessary to let others know that his practices were a little unethical.

I'm thinking honesty and ethics means you don't go around calling someone else unethical in public unless you have more evidence than 'something wasn't right'.

 

[canzoman]

Hope you guys are boycotting your friend Samantha's "very good friend" El Guapo Reptiles too. They flipped this snake before your seller did. Ethics and all, you know?

Whoa!!

Don't add me into this without knowing any history.

I agree nothing should have been said about Kent because he bought it and can do what ever he wants with it. That is why I have not said anything.

To give you a little history I got that snake on a trade. I was going to raise her up to use as a breeder in the future but I like to keep my collection small so i decided to list her up. We are not a big breeder at all.

So don't go throwing my business name out there as being a flipper and boycotting stuff because that is not cool.

Leave me out of this. While I was pissed Kent did turn around and sell it 3 weeks later I didn't look to go out and smear his name.

 

[Shadera]

I was making a point, Anothony, that the OP is being incredibly hypocritical here. Chillax.

 

[canzoman]

I was making a point, Anothony, that the OP is being incredibly hypocritical here. Chillax.

I know. But to me it's just makes it look like I flip snakes. Which I do not agree with. I had her for a couple of months not 3 weeks.

Didn't know if you were trying to smear me.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[snakehobbyist]

I guess your definition of flipper is different than mine. Thats fine, I respect that.

I've already said that I don't have a lot or experience with the BOI and that in my efforts to help, I've made things worse. I've said I'm sorry. I've apologized. I've kicked myself over this. I don't understand what more you want me to do.

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

Buy low, sell high is what makes the world go 'round. I can't imagine anyone would interpret that practice as unethical as long as proper procedures are followed for the animal's well being.

I've never done a quick buy/sell with a reptile but I have certainly bought cars, cleaned them up and flipped them a week later for a good profit.

I made money and someone bought a clean car for a good price. Eh, I don't see the problem here.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I know. But to me it's just makes it look like I flip snakes. Which I do not agree with. I had her for a couple of months not 3 weeks.

Didn't know if you were trying to smear me.

Thanks for the clarification.

So eight weeks is the magic number and three weeks makes you a disgusting flipper.


I wouldn't have put your name on it but do you see the point? The OP could have made this thread just as easily about you instead of Kent with the same information.

While I was pissed Kent did turn around and sell it 3 weeks later I didn't look to go out and smear his name.

Not that it matters but none asked him why he was selling. Nobody has a right to be pissed that he is selling. You don't.

Did you ask him if he likes to keep is collection small too?

I got that snake on a trade. I was going to raise her up to use as a breeder in the future but I like to keep my collection small so i decided to list her up.

Playing Devils advocate below - I could care less that you decided to sell your snake.

So why did you get the snake if you like to keep your collection small? After all, you knew that you liked your collection small ahead of time or was it a mere revelation just two months later?

Does that make the difference? So why do we get to be pissed at Kent for selling and not you? Did you ask him if he likes to keep is collection small too?

Maybe he came to that revelation at three weeks instead of eight.

So did Kent need to wait eight weeks instead of three or did he need to tack on a note to all those interested in buying a statement like "My collection is to big I need sell her after a few weeks" and it magically becomes better? Would you not be pissed then?

You are concerned by your post above as being labeled a flipper and also stated your pissed but really, what did he do that you didn't?

Like I stated, I wouldn't have put your name up as a example, don't believe anyone here should be targeted but it is a very good example of what was just done to Kent.

 

[canzoman]

So eight weeks is the magic number and three weeks makes you a disgusting flipper.


I wouldn't have put your name on it but do you see the point? The OP could have made this thread just as easily about you instead of Kent with the same information.



Not that it matters but none asked him why he was selling. Nobody has a right to be pissed that he is selling. You don't.

Did you ask him if he likes to keep is collection small too?




Playing Devils advocate below - I could care less that you decided to sell your snake.

So why did you get the snake if you like to keep your collection small? After all, you knew that you liked your collection small ahead of time or was it a mere revelation just two months later?

Does that make the difference? So why do we get to be pissed at Kent for selling and not you? Did you ask him if he likes to keep is collection small too?

Maybe he came to that revelation at three weeks instead of eight.

So did Kent need to wait eight weeks instead of three or did he need to tack on a note to all those interested in buying a statement like "My collection is to big I need sell her after a few weeks" and it magically becomes better? Would you not be pissed then?

You are concerned by your post above as being labeled a flipper and also stated your pissed but really, what did he do that you didn't?

Like I stated, I wouldn't have put your name up as a example, don't believe anyone here should be targeted but it is a very good example of what was just done to Kent.

Again this is not about me.

I have no clue who the OP even is.

I see Your point also that is why I never said anything. Yeah I was mad cause I gave him a good deal and he sold it. But I just left it alone.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I guess your definition of flipper is different than mine. Thats fine, I respect that.

The problem is that many of those that are setting the definition today are guilty of the same in the past. They build their collections that way.

How many corn and BP breeders started out by buying large lots and flipping to pay for their collection many years ago that now sit and chastises others for the same?

How many imported and cherry picked what they needed then flipped the rest fast. It was OK for them but now it isn't for others.

How many breeders bought unopened bags of imported/farmed BPs ten years ago and pulled out the good stuff and flipped the rest?

How many routinely buy projects then sell them off within a few months trying to make a profit?

There are many hobbyists that turned this into a business by doing the same.

A lot times now they are the loudest mouths in the room when it comes to flipping. They get a pass while people who try to follow in their footsteps get a backhand.

 

[Serafim]

So Kent had this snake for 3 weeks? May have read that wrong. But if so he has put time and effort into this animal. Selling for profit is what its all about if you are in business. I cannot see where he was unethical with his busines practices...

 

[DISCERN]

I guess your definition of flipper is different than mine. Thats fine, I respect that.

I've already said that I don't have a lot or experience with the BOI and that in my efforts to help, I've made things worse. I've said I'm sorry. I've apologized. I've kicked myself over this. I don't understand what more you want me to do.

I think it is safe to say that you may not have a lot of experience in this industry/hobby as a whole, to know exactly what goes on and how things work. I say that, not as a bad thing, but as an observation. Again, not saying it as a bad thing or a put-down. I just think that it is very possible that you simply are not understanding of how many businesses in this hobby operate. People change their minds all of the time when purchasing animals. Breeding plans come and go. Projects either gain or lose interest. Nothing wrong with buying an animal, and then, selling it later on. As long as the animal has been properly care for in every aspect, HOW MUCH THAT ANIMAL IS SOLD FOR IS NOT ONLY NOT WORTH CRYING ABOUT OR GOING ON THE NET AND WHINING ABOUT, BUT IS ACTUALLY NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS.

See what I mean? There are bigger things in life to rant about.

Was the real problem an issue revolving around money, or was it you were concerned for the care of the animal? That is a question that you don't even have to answer, but I would ask you to sincerely ask yourself.

I would take the responses here in this thread as a learning tool, and move on.

There was NO NEED for this thread. There was no need for you to portray Mr. Sanchez in this negative light. Since you have apologized, then that is all we can deal with accordingly at this time, and life should resume back to normal. Lesson learned my friend.

 

[Sweeneys Zoological]

So, Anthony flippped the Ball to Kent, Kent wants to flip it to Breanna, who in turn will probably flip it nine months a person to be named later. This a flipping silly thread........

 

[Sweeneys Zoological]

This IS a silly thread........... I do have a question. Are there different levels of flipping? I was about to send 20 babies I produced to a wholesaler. If I see him re-selling my animals here or on KS should I then call him an ethically questionable person?

 

[Herps Alive!]

I actually was willing to pay the higher price because she IS a quality animal. I'm not saying she isn't high quality and I'm not saying she was unhealthy. I never said anything of that.

I'm of the opinion (and I would bet money that I'm not the only one with this opinion) that it's unethical to buy anything and without putting anything into it, turning around and selling it for higher than market value or selling it for more than was paid for it. I'm of this opinion with a lot of things (not just snakes). If I'm aware of it, I try to avoid supporting the practice.

I'm sure there are other breeders out there that do similar things and if I was aware, I would choose not to purchase for them. However, most of my snakes were bought from the original breeder because I prefer it that way. I would much rather pay a breeder for their hard work and effort in producing the animal than supporting a practice that I feel is not ethical (this can be extended from just flipping to be things like misrepresenting an animal's size or weight, giving incorrect information about the animal, etc.). I understand that some of you do not share my opinion, and I respect that. I don't expect everyone to be in my corner, in fact, I expect people not to be. I just wanted this out there for people who do share my opinion to have the info they need to decide whether or not to purchase.

A) Define Market Value. Unlike le automobiles, or medical supplies and equipment, with snakes this term is tough to define. I will sometimes overpay for an animal that I really want or need for my educational program. I will also buy animals that I do not have an immediate need for if the price seems to be very good.
Snake Market Value is more comparable to lettuce, chicken and even generic drugs. Pricing varies with supply and demand.

B)Have you ever bought hard goods (light bulbs, caging, whatever) from a Pet Store (Independent or Big Box). Those hard goods were flipped by your definition. Bought from one person (wholesaler) who sells them for more than they paid, and then resold at a profit (by a retailer). It is the mode of most retail business. How...capitalistic. Shame on them.