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Bad Guy Kevin Patrick

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Guys beware of this guy. i saw an ad on kingsnake about a virgin female thayeri and i jumped on it. everything seemed good till i received the snake. I place the "female" in my other females cage while i preped her tub. when i open the tub to take the 'female': i received, SHE was breeding my female!!!!!! i tried contacting the guy about the issue with no response. i already email paypal so i can start a dispute and will also start one with my cc company. this is the first time ive ever been scammed in this way. buyers beware!:angry:
 
Wait?! What? You put a new reptile in with your established reptile and are upset that it started breeding? And you didn't quarantine?!

Ok, It's bad that it was a different sex than mentioned, but what in green earth were you thinking to not have a tub ready and to place the new animal in with your established one? :shrug01:

Did you even contact the Seller before making this thread? Have you contacted the seller since?
 
I have contacted the seller before making this thread and he has not responded. I don't follow a lot of you typical "quarantine" deals. I'm not mad at the fact it need my female. I was expecting another female add to my collection.

Ohh and a tub takes 5 minutes to set up or less.
 
45lcrevolver said:
I have contacted the seller before making this thread and he has not responded. I don't follow a lot of you typical "quarantine" deals. I'm not mad at the fact it need my female. I was expecting another female add to my collection.

Ohh and a tub takes 5 minutes to set up or less.
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While you should get the sex you were promised, this is just asking for problems. ALL new animals should be quarantined. If it only takes 5 minutes to set up a tub, have it done before the animals gets to you.
 
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How would of that fixed my issue????

You guys are missing the point. This isn't a husbandry section, is it?
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:iagree: - Whatever we may think is good husbandry it is, after all, the OP's own choice as to how he risks his snakes.

The complaint here is about the sex of the snake he bought. I do have one question on that - How easy are thayeri to sex? It obviously isn't visual, or you would have noticed when you first received it, right? If this is a difficult to sex species maybe it was an honest mistake - or is it a simple process that you would expect anyone to be able to do?

Whichever it was, you got goods that were otherwise than advertised, and obviously you should start your Paypal dispute ASAP. I wish you good luck.
 
Helenthereef said:
:iagree: - Whatever we may think is good husbandry it is, after all, the OP's own choice as to how he risks his snakes.

The complaint here is about the sex of the snake he bought. I do have one question on that - How easy are thayeri to sex? It obviously isn't visual, or you would have noticed when you first received it, right? If this is a difficult to sex species maybe it was an honest mistake - or is it a simple process that you would expect anyone to be able to do?

Whichever it was, you got goods that were otherwise than advertised, and obviously you should start your Paypal dispute ASAP. I wish you good luck.
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Exactly ! I already started the dispute. I did probe the thayeri and its a confirmed male. Plus the hemipenes inside my proven female was a dead give away. I would think that if anyone was going to sell an animal and advertises that it's a certain sex, then It's their responsibility to be accurate.
 
I didn't take a pic of the ad. He took it down from kingsnake. Here is a screen shot of the email first sent to me thru kingsnake since I messaged him thru there.

 
Without quarantine, breeding could, potentially, be the least of your problems if the newly arrived snake were to have an illness, carry parasites, or harbor other "issues".

Anyway, you have a legitimate complaint, if you received a male, when the snake was advertised as female and you expected a female.

Do you have a link to the Ad or a copy (screen capture) of the Ad?

Are you able to show that the snake is, indeed, a male?

You state that you contacted the seller but that he has not responded. How long ago was it that you contacted him?

When you filed a dispute, with Paypal, was it for a partial refund or a full refund?

BTW Receiving a snake, of the wrong sex, does not always mean that a buyer was intentionally scammed. It could be an honest mistake. An honest mistake, of a mis-sexed snake, does occur at times.
The main thing is how the seller addresses the issue, when it is brought to their attention, and what they do to make things right with their customer.


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You are correct in certain aspects.

Are you able to show that the snake is, indeed, a male?
I could prove him and take a pic?

I contacted him the same days shipment and no response as of date.

I told the PayPal person that I wanted what I bought or a full refund. I also told him that I was more than willing to ship the snake back at the sellers cost after I was issued a refund or given the correct sex snake.

I wouldn't say he scammed me since I did receive the snake. What I am saying is that if you are intentionally sending a male but asking female prices and advertising as a female for a larger profit, then that is ill intent. I would think that any breeder or legit snake enthusiast would make sure that what he/she is selling is described properly and accurately. now if there was no ill intent then why hasn't he gotten back with me yet? He always emailed me back within reasonable time after I sent him an email?


http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=1095935
 
A photo would work if it can depict the depth of the probe. With a photo, popping the snake works best.

I agree that it is worrisome if a seller never responds after a sale &/or after shipping.
When did you receive the snake?
 
I got the snake yesterday. At around 10am. I don't know how to pop adult snakes. Babies are easier than adults. I use probes. I will try to get a good pic as soon as I can.
 
Here is a pic a shot when I saw the incident. You can see who is on top! The grater one is my proven female. And the creamier one is the suppose female that turned out to be male.

 
While the Ad has been removed, I did get a couple of screenshots that shows Kevin Patrick selling (or was selling) an alleged 2011 female Thayeri.
 

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It's pretty clear he was advertising a female, and that is no girl-on-girl behaviour... :eek:

I agree that the judgement now is on how the seller conducts himself - if it was an honest mistake you'd expect him to make it right. If not...... hope PayPal does the right thing.
 
I am so glad I found this thread...
Kevin just did the exact same thing to me.
I purchased what I thought was an adult (advertised as such on kingsnake.com) female Candycane Corn, and Female Butter Stripe. Turns out, both are male.
I'd have NEVER bought the Candycane or Butter stripes had I known they were male, I simply don't need them. I was going to use the adult Candycane as a project with a Tessera Bloodred male I have. I placed them together, and they started sparring... Interesting I thought, and I didn't have my probes around. So... In an effort to figure out with 100% Certainty, I placed the Candycane in with an adult butter Motley I had, and sure enough, within minutes, they were breeding.
I too have filed a dispute with paypal.
Kevin was advertising animals, saying he was selling off some of his collection due to new work constraints, or something to that effect.
I've e:mailed him numerous times and he just won't respond.

Here are some pictures of the Candycane (MALE) "Female" he sent me, with a proven Butter Motley that came from Don Soderberg.
 

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Man that's awful!!! What this guy is doing is advertising them as females because he knows that males don't move as quickly. It's all part of his scheme. That's why these BOI are important, it will help prevent other people from becoming victims.
 
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