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Bad Guy Kick brothers...enough said.

dzoo said:
Second - I totally disagree with the quote above - If you go to a show YOU should have done your homework beforehand and know everything you need to know before even thinking about aquiring the animal. Nobody should purchase a species they are not familiar with on impulse or just based on the dealers word. Asking the vendor to tell you everything you need to know is just ridiculous - they don't have the time to spend with each customer and they are there to sell reptiles and make money they can't afford to bring a big staff with them to have a long convo with each buyer and say in the case of the pyxie frogs they might be clearing $2- $3 profit per frog, how much time do you expect them to spend with you? The vendor has to pay the cost of the tables ($75 ea. looks like they have about 6?) gas for a big van to and from Lockport NY, a couple employees at ? $8-10 per hour ( and i assume they would have to be paid for time to prep everything for the show and travel time etc.) ? Maybe a hotel for the night before, food etc. they need to sell a lot of volume to make it worthwhile...... If you were at a private pet store paying retail price for the frog, and buying all the supplies with it, then yes I would expect the seller to spend some time making the sale..but even in that situation the buyer should have educated himself on the animal before purchasing, the pimply faced kid at Petco may or may not know what he is talking about...
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All of that that you mentioned is the cost of doing GOOD business. Also, it doesn't take any more time to accurately answer his question than it does to provide a vague answer to it. From what I can tell it looks like he did do his research. After all, he did know there were multiple species of pixies. I highly doubt that the look very different from each other (although I could be wrong). Hence him asking are these TRUE pixies. If he wanted dwarf pixies, would he not say "are these DWARF pixies?" So, I still call B.S. It is pretty clear to me that they answered his question in a completely vague manner on purpose. The very fact that his excuse for not telling him the frog was a dwarf and not a true pixie is that he didn't ask tells me that!

However, yes I agree with you that SOME importers do not really care about the animals they are selling, crap some don't even know about the animals they are selling.
 
FRED KICK said:
This is Fred, I was not notified about this post by any one on fauna. One of my employees came this post. Actually I have only been notified about one post on this site a few years ago. I do not get to defend my side of the story, because I am not notified. As for Brandon Perez.

1. The frogs. He only asked if they were real pixie frogs. He never specified if he was looking for dwarfs or giants. He only asked if they were pixies. They are indeed pixies as he posted. Seeing that they are not pacmans, or budgetts or any other king of frog his question was answered based on what he asked.

2. He emailed about his tegu and got a response from me. He never called myself or my store with questions. After he received his response he did not inquire about his current tegu. He did asked if I have blue tegus for sale. See emails below.

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oh okay, well let me know if he's still available after the show because unfortunately i cant make that show.
I wanted to trade my juvi blue tegu and money for that one, let me know if anything

- Brandon Perez


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From: Fred kick <[email protected]>
To: przprettyboyx13 <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: blue tegu

I have one available, he is going to the hamburg expo tomorrow

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 2:02:53 PM
Subject: blue tegu

hey, i wanted to know if you guys have any blue tegu adults available ?

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We rarely use chicken here.
Have you tried feeding her anything else? You can try hard boiled eggs, preferably quail, fresh killed mice, rats, or gerbils. Once in a while canned dog food but use sparingly. Fresh seafood, salmon, snails, raw shrimp, just make sure they are not packaged with salt to keep them preserved. As tegus mature they skin around their lower jaw bulges, not necessarily a sag but it looks almost like fat rolls. We did not breed the female that you purchased.


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:45:01 PM
Subject:

Hey, this is the guy who bought the adult female tegu from you in the white plains expo.
i have a few questions about her. Why does she have so much saggy skin ? before you sold her to me, did she recently give birth ? i tried to feed her several times chicken but all she does is drink water and walk around. I'm very concerned in her health. Hope to hear from you soon.

- Brandon Perez
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I love how he is trying to defend himself on this forum. Fred Kick, your pet shop in Lockport, N.Y. is an absolute joke. Every enclosure is loaded with feces and animals cramped in tiny areas. I doubt you know how to care for half the animals you have in your possession. I can't believe you are still in business. I was hoping the SPCA would have shut you down years ago when they raided your shop. It seems dishonesty has been the name of your game for longer than I can remember. It is equally amusing that you have recently started posting, as people have had problems with you for years. Do a search on this site, your name comes up quite often.
 
dzoo said:
I have seen the Kick Bros. at every Hamburg show I have been to for the last 15 years, they must be doing something right to stay in the biz that long.

That being said - First, when I go to a show to purchase a reptile and see a vendor that has every type of reptile under the sun, wild caught, captive bred, $2 geckos to $1000 balls, they must have AT LEAST 50 - 100 species/varieties on their tables, If I am looking for something special or high quality I walk on by because they are obviously wholesalers or dealers, they buy in lots of WC animals or whatever they can get a good deal on and "flip" it as fast as possible to make money - I would not expect them to personally know the history or feeding habits of every animal in their possesion - I am sure they do not personally care for them, they have employees for that. But I guess "newbies" see all those different reptiles in one spot and think "man these guys must be reptile gods they have so much stuff!".... If you truly want personal service and a guarantee of a high quaity animal look for a private breeder or hobbyist that specializes in just that species or a few at the most. If I did buy something from a dealer like the Kick's I would not expect any type of guarantees or service after the sale, you get what you pay for - you go to a show, get a cheap price and the trade off is a lack of service and guarantees like you might get paying full retail prices at a pet store.


Second - I totally disagree with the quote above - If you go to a show YOU should have done your homework beforehand and know everything you need to know before even thinking about aquiring the animal. Nobody should purchase a species they are not familiar with on impulse or just based on the dealers word. Asking the vendor to tell you everything you need to know is just ridiculous - they don't have the time to spend with each customer and they are there to sell reptiles and make money they can't afford to bring a big staff with them to have a long convo with each buyer and say in the case of the pyxie frogs they might be clearing $2- $3 profit per frog, how much time do you expect them to spend with you? The vendor has to pay the cost of the tables ($75 ea. looks like they have about 6?) gas for a big van to and from Lockport NY, a couple employees at ? $8-10 per hour ( and i assume they would have to be paid for time to prep everything for the show and travel time etc.) ? Maybe a hotel for the night before, food etc. they need to sell a lot of volume to make it worthwhile...... If you were at a private pet store paying retail price for the frog, and buying all the supplies with it, then yes I would expect the seller to spend some time making the sale..but even in that situation the buyer should have educated himself on the animal before purchasing, the pimply faced kid at Petco may or may not know what he is talking about...
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I disagree with your very first sentence. If you visited their retail location in Lockport, N.Y. called Pets Plus you would have a different opinion. It would break your heart to see the conditions their animals are kept especially the Reptiles and Amphibians.
 
chadharper said:
Nice that you sell a reptile you got as a gift. To each their own though.

If he spoke rudely to you and you still did business with him then what does that say about you??
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WTH is wrong with you? Seriously, the guy basically gets ripped off and all you can do is ridacule him over pety crap. Not to mention this pety crap really is of no value to the topic at hand, which is his transaction with the kick brothers. As for him selling a reptile he got as a gift, how do you know one of his buddys didnt hand it to him and say "here i dont want it, do what you want with it"? If that is the case were do you get off giving him shit? Now it could have been a meaningful gift from his GF. Who the hell cares? Why are you being such a judgemental jerk about it? Thats between him and who ever gifted it to him.

And as far as your what does that say about you comment, seriously? aybe he though the guy was having a bad day. But why does someone elses rude behavior say something about him?

And i seen somewhere you making fun of him cuase he is in NYC and they are illegal there. I agree he shouldnt have them but to wish someone gets popped and high five.Seriously? grow up dude!



My experiance witrh the Kick brothers. The first bad transaction I ever had in reptiles was with them this was 20+ years ago.I was a teenager and new to the hobby, they took advantage of that and IMO ripped me off and with what I witnessed last weekend at hamburg they havnt changed at all.

I went to the Hamburg show, traded them a trio of kingsnakes and some cash for an adult female red blood. The animal was sold to me as CBB, it was supposed to be perfectly healthy, feeding etc. I knew to ask the ?s is it CBB, healthy, feeding, etc but didnt know what to look for inspecting them for ticks mites etc. Also I asked how to set them up and was basically given instructions like a colombian boa. I had only been keeping reptiles for several months at this point was still learning.

Anyway we do the transaction and I take off, on the way home I stop by a buddies place to show him what I got, he had kinda taken me under his wing, I was learning alot from him. First thing he notices is the animal is all bitched up obviously wild caught, then he starts finding ticks and then come the mites. So he helped me clean the animal up, then started telling me how to set them up,needless to say the care info i was given by Kick was a line oif shit to get a sale. Of course the animal didnt eat and 2wks later rolled over dead,had necropsy done it had heart worms.

Now flash foward 20yrs as I was happening by Kick brothers stand at hamburg this past weekend, theres a decent size crowd infront of their stand. Im working my way through it and theres pretty little teenage girl talking to one of the kicks about some torts they had. Same bullshit and lies, to anyone of us with experiance the torts were without a doubt wild caught. But to this inexperianced niave teenage girl they had her convinced they were CBB and the most wonderful tort in the show.Wouldnt suprise me if they had her convinced it was shitting diamonds. This isnt the first time over the years Ive witnessed them missleading people either. But regaurdless 20yrs later they are still doing the same
 
I Can relate to you 100% Jason.They did a similar thing to me with Amazon tree boas.Same as you,was new to the hobby,little experiance.They swore up and down how they were cbb.Not very many people were breeding them back then,But I did not know that.And that was at Pottstown which was the big show before Hamburg.It is really amazing that their still in buisness.
 
outlawtrucker said:
I Can relate to you 100% Jason.They did a similar thing to me with Amazon tree boas.Same as you,was new to the hobby,little experiance.They swore up and down how they were cbb.Not very many people were breeding them back then,But I did not know that.And that was at Pottstown which was the big show before Hamburg.It is really amazing that their still in buisness.
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ya i remeber pottstown, yes i agree i cant believe they are still around expecially considering they are still up to the same shit now as they were back then. I can see them getting away with this stuff back in the day. In the early 90's people didnt understand how to take care of these animals like we do now. So its wasnt as big of a deal back then when someone lost animals, basically it was expected since we were all sorta learning as we went with some of the differant species. But now things are differant.

Its truely amazing how far things have come.
 
Seems Fred is out emailing people that dont like him. I got this email from him out of the blue.

Form details below.
Full Name: Fred Kick
Email: [email protected]
Snake ID #:
Message: I do not know who you are. Or why you think that I do not have a breeding facility. I have a 7,000 sq ft. breeding facility, unlike you who breeds in your living room. Every every we produce between 200-300 clutches. I am not sure what your problem is with us, enlighten me.
Fred (716) 310-3272
 
I was at the Hamburg show yesterday and saw dwarf pyxies labeled as giants. And i told someone that was working at the table that they werent giants but dwarfs and they swore up and down that they were indeed true giants. There were true giants at the vendor next to them which i think was reptile kingdom if i recall correctly and pointed them out to them and they told me i was wrong and just walked away. I looked around and noticed that half there stuff there was sickly looking and not healthy at all. My nephew brought a frog from them last show and it died on the car ride home. I would never do business with them again.
 
I really wish I would have checked here first.
I bought a 100% het genetic stripe pair for $100 plus shipping. They came in today.
Both had mites, and the male had stuck shed everywhere, and retained eyecaps on both eyes. I emailed him to express my disappointment with their condition, and have not heard back.
At this point, I just HOPE that they actually are 100% hets...
 
Unfortunately a very common story when dealing with these guys. You will be asked if you know the mites didn't come from your collection next.
 
Yea always check the BOI man. Thats most likely the reason he doesnt advertise on here.
His hets are so tempting for the cheap prices he throws. In the end... you get what you pay for... most of the time.
 
bullies&balls said:
Unfortunately a very common story when dealing with these guys. You will be asked if you know the mites didn't come from your collection next.
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Well, I had them shipped to my workplace, and during lunch, I thoroughly inspected them and found mites (and took pictures). I recieved them at work at 9:45 am, and I don't get off work until 4 pm.
 
i bought a lavendar albino retic from them in february..she hasnt eaten yet.these people are shady..im not the only one that says this..many people have. i did not know who they were til the other day..needless to say, i will not do business with them again.
 
The Kick Brothers are your typical reptile pushers, they get new ones in from previous owners and sell them the next day or two, happens all the time. That being said, they do have a very diverse group of animals available for every show. I think the lesson in this is simply BUYER BEWARE, These people really are not specialized in just one group on animals because they are NOT breeders, they are dealers and there is a big difference between the two. If i see a dealer like this at a show with a huge diverse group of animals for sale, i immediatly expect them to know very little about each individual animals history, and if i buy, its at my own risk.
 
I bought a GTP from them in Daytona, and he did great for a few weeks. Had some mites, which was annoying but that wasn't a HUGE deal for me. Then he started wheezing & having nasal discharge, so I took him to my vet for what I thought was a RI, but what ended up turning into a pretty advanced case of Pneumonia. He did survive, but it took a lot of antibiotics, x-rays, bloodwork, and cultures. I could probably pay for the snake 4 or 5 times with the money I spent getting him well again (and that's WITH my discount), but for me it was worth it because I really fell in love with the snake.

Anyways, I will be staying very far away from the Kick Brother's table at Daytona 2012, and I advise others to do the same.
 
Didnt buy from him. He had a normal on ks saying it was 2800g. I msg him about it and he said she was only 2100g. The i asked for a ship quote he told me 70. But when i put in the zip on syr it was only 32. That is with a 7*7*7 box at 4 lbs. He is in ny an im in pa. 70 is rediculus stay away from this guy
 
Maybe there was a typing error. Have him send you a picture of it on a scale. Overnight shipping on big snakes can be expensive. Its not so much distance as it is rural vs suburban areas.
 
the min box size for a snake that size is 12 x 9 x 6 and you get charged by volume for the space the box takes up in the vehicle. I have had baby ball pythons going cross country cost close to $70 in a 7x7x7 and weigh TOTAL under 2 lbs. You quote with box and snake would be closer to 6-7 lbs. In the end, you made the best choice IMO, regardless of reasons
 
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