kingsnake.com Bad Business practices.

[IloveSnakes1234]

I read about it on this site a few years ago.





J.Sommerfield

What did Fauna do though?

 

[JETZEN]

What did Fauna do though?

Beats me, i guess nothing became of it.
I'm sure the thread's still around somewhere here if anyone wants to look it up.


J.Sommerfield

 

[homegrownherps]

No, you go back and show me where i whined.
Oh,and did you ever sell that mexican milk you posted a bazillion times overthere? what was it last year?
ks.com is obviously good for you,Ah-hahahah-ha-ha!


J.Sommerfield

POST #169

Do you remember when your beloved ks.com threatened to sue this site?
What was it all about? something about the use of the word "kingsnake"?

Just another ridiculous attempt by the evil"ks.com"empire to gain more control over the reptile industry/hobby/world.

But please don't agree w/me about this, you how much ks.com hates critics.
And you don't want to risk banishment/suspension/termination.

Sounds like whining to me


You can go back and read the rest yourself, you know your a whiner thats all you've done thus far, and you haven't said anything constructive through out this whole thread. I have better things to do than go back and read the babble you posted.

Was it last year or this year??? Was it a Mexican Milk or Pinesnake???
How about you take a break and figure out what your talking about (gather up your facts) then come back and try again.

I will post an ad as many times as need be to get it sold. You have a problem with how many times I post something for sale ??

Yes Kingsnake works well for me, its a great tool, and I utilize it to its fullest, obviously something you failed to succeed at.

Why was it you were booted from K-snake.... for the same things your doing here????

And why is it you feed your snakes the way you do ????

 

[homegrownherps]

Beats me, i guess nothing became of it.
I'm sure the thread's still around somewhere here if anyone wants to look it up.


J.Sommerfield

Once again;
How about you take a break and figure out what your talking about (gather up your facts) then come back and try again.

 

[homegrownherps]

No, you go back and show me where i whined.
Oh,and did you ever sell that mexican milk you posted a bazillion times overthere? what was it last year?
ks.com is obviously good for you,Ah-hahahah-ha-ha!



J.Sommerfield

Oh, and just out of curiosity;
Don't you have anything better to do, than count how many times people post ads

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

Beats me, i guess nothing became of it.
I'm sure the thread's still around somewhere here if anyone wants to look it up.


J.Sommerfield

I do indeed remember this particular time which was probably 2 to 5 years ago. I don't know, nor do I care to look up, whether or not this particular thread is still available.

Rich, our illustrious leader here, who makes this site possible and originally did it free of charge (I'm sure until it reached a point it was costing him out the wazzoo) would be the most competent and able to provide total disclosure on the issue. However, Rich is a classy guy and there's been a lot of water under that bridge since then. He may not even wish to say any more about it. So, look it up if you wish, but know that there was a lot of trash talk at that time, a ton of posturing by stupid, incompetent lawyers blowing smoke and playing with mirrors.

Many top names on Fauna were booted form "the evil ks.com empire" (as I've seen them called) and many took a stand at that time to refuse to do business with them in the future once their current paid memberships expired. I know of one or two who did that and have held true to their word after all of this time...and I'd do business with them any day of the week because of their levels of integrity then and now.

Many breeders who, at that time, utilized both sites but spoke ill words about the lame lawsuit saw themselves banned. All because they saw the utter stupidity involved and the greed which was being exhibited and spoke out, not about KS in particular but about the absurdity of the lawsuit. It was indeed a sad run of days/weeks to watch.

The example was set at that time. If KS decided next week to ban all sales and mention of corns or ball pythons and somebody came over here and their ad read something to the effect of "because KS decided to not allow these ads to be posted, which is ridiculous because they are a perfectly legal animal and they are great pets I will be selling them on this site from now on, etc..." then KS would probably cancel their account and ban them.

There is no excuse for this type of an attempt at monopolization of any aspect of this hobby/business. But then we are talking about "an industry leader" in a political/judicial climate where monopolies are no longer considered evil and "he who has the most money is allowed to be in control." I'm honestly glad Rich had to deal with it back when he did rather than today or else this site probably wouldn't exist and we'd all either bow and scrape to KS or else not participate at all.

OK. Enough for now. I'm out of here until tomorrow or Friday. Hope everyone had a happy INDEPENDENCE DAY. Also hope all Americans took time to reflect on the meaning of the day and how it applies to the America we live in now. Personally, I think the vast majority of our forefathers would be ashamed of what we've become. But that's just my opinion.

David

 

[JETZEN]

Thanks Double "D" Reptiles

I do indeed remember this particular time which was probably 2 to 5 years ago. I don't know, nor do I care to look up, whether or not this particular thread is still available.

Rich, our illustrious leader here, who makes this site possible and originally did it free of charge (I'm sure until it reached a point it was costing him out the wazzoo) would be the most competent and able to provide total disclosure on the issue. However, Rich is a classy guy and there's been a lot of water under that bridge since then. He may not even wish to say any more about it. So, look it up if you wish, but know that there was a lot of trash talk at that time, a ton of posturing by stupid, incompetent lawyers blowing smoke and playing with mirrors.

Many top names on Fauna were booted form "the evil ks.com empire" (as I've seen them called) and many took a stand at that time to refuse to do business with them in the future once their current paid memberships expired. I know of one or two who did that and have held true to their word after all of this time...and I'd do business with them any day of the week because of their levels of integrity then and now.

Many breeders who, at that time, utilized both sites but spoke ill words about the lame lawsuit saw themselves banned. All because they saw the utter stupidity involved and the greed which was being exhibited and spoke out, not about KS in particular but about the absurdity of the lawsuit. It was indeed a sad run of days/weeks to watch.

The example was set at that time. If KS decided next week to ban all sales and mention of corns or ball pythons and somebody came over here and their ad read something to the effect of "because KS decided to not allow these ads to be posted, which is ridiculous because they are a perfectly legal animal and they are great pets I will be selling them on this site from now on, etc..." then KS would probably cancel their account and ban them.

There is no excuse for this type of an attempt at monopolization of any aspect of this hobby/business. But then we are talking about "an industry leader" in a political/judicial climate where monopolies are no longer considered evil and "he who has the most money is allowed to be in control." I'm honestly glad Rich had to deal with it back when he did rather than today or else this site probably wouldn't exist and we'd all either bow and scrape to KS or else not participate at all.

OK. Enough for now. I'm out of here until tomorrow or Friday. Hope everyone had a happy INDEPENDENCE DAY. Also hope all Americans took time to reflect on the meaning of the day and how it applies to the America we live in now. Personally, I think the vast majority of our forefathers would be ashamed of what we've become. But that's just my opinion.

David

it's a pity that some ks.com lovers don't understand the true nature of ks.com



J.Sommerfield

 

[JETZEN]

For more honest info about ks.com go to the Business/web watch section of this site.

And i hope this thread continues for a very long time.




John Sommerfield
the Whining Troll, lol!

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

was re-reading last night

For everyone who is interested in names of breeders that I mentioned had the integrity of saints when it came to dealing with KS, the reading mentioned is well worth your time. I went through it again last night and couldn't believe how many years it had really been. Once again, I'll do business with these folks any day of the week. Will also consider purchasing from folks who post here regularly and don't have tons of negatives posted on the BOI, which is a treasure unto itself. I'll never bow down to the KS "wanna-be overlords" and their gestapo tactics of dealing with those who have differing opinions and personal knowledge, some of it highly regarded in the hobby/industry/scientific community, and who might mention a website other than KS for further assistance to reptile enthusiasts.

David

 

[JETZEN]

Reply to David.......

For everyone who is interested in names of breeders that I mentioned had the integrity of saints when it came to dealing with KS, the reading mentioned is well worth your time. I went through it again last night and couldn't believe how many years it had really been. Once again, I'll do business with these folks any day of the week. Will also consider purchasing from folks who post here regularly and don't have tons of negatives posted on the BOI, which is a treasure unto itself. I'll never bow down to the KS "wanna-be overlords" and their gestapo tactics of dealing with those who have differing opinions and personal knowledge, some of it highly regarded in the hobby/industry/scientific community, and who might mention a website other than KS for further assistance to reptile enthusiasts.

David

David,
Thanks again, it's good to know that there is life after ks.com and not everyone is brainwashed/intimidated by the EVIL"ks.com"EMPIRE.


I sincerly hope you have a wonderful hatching season.

John Sommerfield

 

[homegrownherps]

David,
Thanks again, it's good to know that there is life after ks.com and not everyone is brainwashed/intimidated by the EVIL"ks.com"EMPIRE.


I sincerly hope you have a wonderful hatching season.

John Sommerfield

Your something else ...you get yourself kicked off a site, that you contributed to for some time. And now that your not allowed to go there and play (wether you want to or not) you sit there and say every one else should stay away. We all heard what you have to say about it , everyone else can make up their own mind.
I didn't see you whining (publicly) before you got banned from that site.

And anyone else that got kicked off K-snake......just because you have a problem with K-snake, doesn't mean everyone that posts/sells there should be avoided.

I may not agree with everything that goes on over there...but hell , I think some one already mentioned;

In this business you have to accept the bad along with the good.
And as long as the good out weights the bad I will continue to be part of K-snake.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Your something else ...you get yourself kicked off a site, that you contributed to for some time. And now that your not allowed to go there and play (wether you want to or not) you sit there and say every one else should stay away. We all heard what you have to say about it , everyone else can make up their own mind.
I didn't see you whining (publicly) before you got banned from that site.

And anyone else that got kicked off K-snake......just because you have a problem with K-snake, doesn't mean everyone that posts/sells there should be avoided.

I may not agree with everything that goes on over there...but hell , I think some one already mentioned;

In this business you have to accept the bad along with the good.
And as long as the good out weights the bad I will continue to be part of K-snake.

Give up Jim. It's like trying to teach a chimp to speak French. He doesn't get it....he will never get it.

 

[JETZEN]

reply to homegrown-&-suncoast

Hi jim and john,
Let's keep this thread on top of the board where it belongs.



John Sommerfield

 

[homegrownherps]

Hi jim and john,
Let's keep this thread on top of the board where it belongs.



John Sommerfield

Yeah, this way people can see what a great job kingsnake is doing to keep people like you from spreading your stupidity.

(and your poor reptile husbandry methods)

 

[JETZEN]

reply to homegrown and other ks.com lovers

I do indeed remember this particular time which was probably 2 to 5 years ago. I don't know, nor do I care to look up, whether or not this particular thread is still available.

Rich, our illustrious leader here, who makes this site possible and originally did it free of charge (I'm sure until it reached a point it was costing him out the wazzoo) would be the most competent and able to provide total disclosure on the issue. However, Rich is a classy guy and there's been a lot of water under that bridge since then. He may not even wish to say any more about it. So, look it up if you wish, but know that there was a lot of trash talk at that time, a ton of posturing by stupid, incompetent lawyers blowing smoke and playing with mirrors.

Many top names on Fauna were booted form "the evil ks.com empire" (as I've seen them called) and many took a stand at that time to refuse to do business with them in the future once their current paid memberships expired. I know of one or two who did that and have held true to their word after all of this time...and I'd do business with them any day of the week because of their levels of integrity then and now.

Many breeders who, at that time, utilized both sites but spoke ill words about the lame lawsuit saw themselves banned. All because they saw the utter stupidity involved and the greed which was being exhibited and spoke out, not about KS in particular but about the absurdity of the lawsuit. It was indeed a sad run of days/weeks to watch.

The example was set at that time. If KS decided next week to ban all sales and mention of corns or ball pythons and somebody came over here and their ad read something to the effect of "because KS decided to not allow these ads to be posted, which is ridiculous because they are a perfectly legal animal and they are great pets I will be selling them on this site from now on, etc..." then KS would probably cancel their account and ban them.

There is no excuse for this type of an attempt at monopolization of any aspect of this hobby/business. But then we are talking about "an industry leader" in a political/judicial climate where monopolies are no longer considered evil and "he who has the most money is allowed to be in control." I'm honestly glad Rich had to deal with it back when he did rather than today or else this site probably wouldn't exist and we'd all either bow and scrape to KS or else not participate at all.

OK. Enough for now. I'm out of here until tomorrow or Friday. Hope everyone had a happy INDEPENDENCE DAY. Also hope all Americans took time to reflect on the meaning of the day and how it applies to the America we live in now. Personally, I think the vast majority of our forefathers would be ashamed of what we've become. But that's just my opinion.

David

ARE YOU GUYS BLIND!


and i ask again why don't ks.com have something like a BOI?




John Sommerfield

 

[Wraith]

ARE YOU GUYS BLIND!


and i ask again why don't ks.com have something like a BOI?

John Sommerfield

Because it would like violate their own terms of service. They don't allow bashing attacks against anyone on that site.. warranted or not.

Using pethobbyist.com to post warnings or notices about other persons or businesses, whether a pethobbyist.com classified vendor or not, is a violation and may be grounds for immediate termination of your account.

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

And anyone else that got kicked off K-snake......just because you have a problem with K-snake, doesn't mean everyone that posts/sells there should be avoided.

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<reply>Certainly not, but you darned well better bet that if I don't have a clue about them in the beginning that I'll be checking them out over here on the BOI.
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I may not agree with everything that goes on over there...but hell , I think some one already mentioned;

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<reply> It's your money and risk involved, not ours. If you're willing to jump through hoops like a trained animal, then more power to you. I have a bit too much personal pride to bow and scrape to egomaniacs.
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In this business you have to accept the bad along with the good.
And as long as the good out weights the bad I will continue to be part of K-snake.

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<reply>Good for you. However, I have to wonder if you're accepting the bad with the good for lack of a better outlet, unwillingness to take risk, fear of being ostracized by peers or simply a familiar comfort with getting kicked in the groin every once in a while.

I use to think that KS was the ultimate site for everything herpetological, but I was relatively new to the hobby and theirs was a dominant presence. Since then I've grown up, done a lot of research/learning on my own and utilized the knowledge bases of people in the hobby/business who have been around a while lot longer. And guess what, even though I've been tempted, I still have never had an account there. But then I don't rely on advertising on KS to feed my herps or make my day-to-day living running my business by somebody else's (or some other state's) rules/laws. I don't live in TX and don't believe that all of their state laws are applicable to my hobby business in my state so I won't be getting account with them now, either. But then that's my cross to bear, not Jeff's.

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

Because it would like violate their own terms of service. They don't allow bashing attacks against anyone on that site.. warranted or not.

And heaven forbid that jerks who use a site, rip people off, but pay their monies to the overlords of a site have anything bad said about them. If you look here long enough you'll probably find where a buyer had an issue with a well known member/contributor and got it resolved (one way or the other) because they did post here.

I guess if you wanted to hide from criticism and being "outed" as a scam artist/crook, then KS would indeed be the ideal source for posting ads and selling low quality animals as top shelf herps. And from what I've seen and heard, if you pay enough money to advertise and sell on KS then nothing will come of it even if you do get reported. Now, how's that for convenience?

If you can't take criticism or defend the quality of your animals and the professional service like a grown-up, then you need to get the heck out of the hobby/business now rather than later.

(BTW, no attacking of original poster or anyone else, for that matter, just stating my opinion.)

 

[hhmoore]

I pretty much avoided the computer world until relatively recently. I found KS and FC within a few months of each other, and in that order. I didn't care much for the forums there - though nobody was ever rude to me. I took a liking to this place right away, and here I am...3 yrs later. I have visited a couple of other forums, even posted on some of them for a while; but I don't have time to forum hop, so I stay where I am comfortable.
Selling though, is a bit different. I have advertised here, never on a large scale, for about 2 yrs (?), but haven't sold much through those ads. I very recently started advertising on KS - I will say that my ads there seem to generate more responses, but only time will tell if I actually sell more animals resultant to those responses. I've had no difficulties with their policies or the way they are administrated.

Obviously, there are some people with major issues with KS...but, for the most part, it seems that they are bent because they got their hands slapped when they couldn't follow the TOS. (Ben, I understand your situation is different, and am glad to hear that you are doing fine without posting there.)
I find myself wondering if they came to Fauna expecting to be embraced because they so clearly express their dislike of a different site? Perhaps it is better to just state the issues clearly, and leave it alone...the persistent rantings and BS comments simply skew the opinions of people that don't even know you. I'm all for welcoming newcomers, regardless of how they came to be here; but if all they do is gripe about how badly they were treated, or how lousy some other site is, I don't get happy feelings about them. You don't like KS? don't go there. You want to be accepted & liked here, or wherever you decide to land? Lighten up, share some knowledge (in a productive way, not pi$$ing and moaning about the evils of the empire), let people get to know you.

 

[KelliH]

But then I don't rely on advertising on KS to feed my herps or make my day-to-day living running my business by somebody else's (or some other state's) rules/laws. I don't live in TX and don't believe that all of their state laws are applicable to my hobby business in my state so I won't be getting account with them now, either. But then that's my cross to bear, not Jeff's.

Right, but Jeff does live in Texas and as the owner of a business (kingsnake.com) he has chosen to make sure his butt is covered by following the letter of the law. I don't understand why some people have such a problem with that. It's his business, his website, he is running it the way he sees fit, as is his right. I feel that kingsnake.com provides a fantastic service to those who advertise there. IMO, The reason that Jeff/kingsnake does not allow negative posts or have a BOI type forum is, again, he is covering his butt legally, which is what any good business person would do.