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Info *Kris Smalley : Disturbing photos

WTF, is what comes to mind when I see photos of someones "collection" looking like this. It seems to me, when I see things like this that the person involved is not in it for the money or for the love of reptiles but more so for the built ego he gets by keeping those poor helpless animals in those horrific conditions. It completely sickens me to the point where I can't even think straight, man would I love to have just 5 minutes alone with that guy! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
 
This is just plain gross. Even if we don't have proof of who's room it is, its good to show what not to do. I would be ashamed if someone I know seen that room and knew it was me.
 
I agree that's gross and who ever could do that should be forced to live in the same conditions.The thing is,those pics could have come from anywhere.

Someone has a problem with this Kris Smalley could go to some PETA site,post pics and claim them to be Kris'. Not saying this is the case here, it just seems the claim is useless with nothing to
back it up...
 
herpkeeperpdx said:
I understand that now Strictly, I have no way of to prove it, other than my word as well as other people that have personally seen that room.

Thanks.
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Personally, I think you bringing this to the BOI wasnt a bad thing. Bringing a bad (even good) breeder/keeper who some people seem to know is never a bad thing. What I would suggest doing here is getting those people who can attest to your claim to post as well. People that keep their animals like this need to be ousted from this hobby.

mxracer4life said:
This is just plain gross. Even if we don't have proof of who's room it is, its good to show what not to do. I would be ashamed if someone I know seen that room and knew it was me.
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I dont see how he could even let people go into that shanty. Just imagine what the rest of his house looks like. I would have way too much pride to let someone in my snake room if my snake room looked like that. My feeders live in better conditions and I HATE mice and rats.

zzzdanz said:
I agree that's gross and who ever could do that should be forced to live in the same conditions.The thing is,those pics could have come from anywhere.

Someone has a problem with this Kris Smalley could go to some PETA site,post pics and claim them to be Kris'. Not saying this is the case here, it just seems the claim is useless with nothing to
back it up...
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Dan's point is right on as usual and I feel the same way. I have no doubts to your claims and dont even know you. I appreciate this being brought to our attention, especially mine because I NEVER want to buy a snake to where my snake came from a room in that state of condition. I will be the first to admit that my snake room, hedgehog room, sugar glider room, rodent breeding facility is never at 100% but Ill be go to hell if my room looked like 1% of that mess.
 
It's disgusting pictures, but we don't know who's room that is.

Have you notified him of the thread? If it's his room, he needs to show up and explain(not that's there's much explanation unless it's "I was gone out of state for 2 months and the caretaker didn't clean anything the entire time") or show his snake room in pictures to prove it's not his room.

Right now you are a unknown person posting a link to another unknown person who says that the pictures are of a third party. I mean.. if you were accusing someone reputable on this site, we'd all be denying that it's pics of their snake rooms and asking for proof that it's true.

The best thing would be more eyewitnesses, preferably the person who took the pictures so that there's some proof so people are definitely convinced of who NOT to buy from, trade with, or do breeding loans with. Because I know that I wouldn't want an animal from that room, wouldn't want anything that's mine to ever be in those rooms, and DEFINITELY wouldn't want my animals to visit that room and come home again.

Just advice on what I think would help your case. Thanks for exposing a horrendous case of neglect.
 
:angry::angry::angry::angry::censored::censored: That is how I feel about it!! The sad thing is that one of our local petshops was very similar to that about a month ago!!!

This guy looks more like a "collector" than a "hobbyist" or "herper" or even an animal lover. How anyone could let that go for that long is beyond me!
 
hey...another thing that looks odd.....on the fickr pics, it says they were in June/July???? these are old pics... why just coming to light now???
 
I can feel my blood boiling.... how could someone have such nice snakes and keep em like that. Bein a locksmith, if I lived in Oregon I would feel obligated to go in an take those snakes...... and possibly wait for him to come home in a dark corner of the room. :D
 
i don't know if greg bryant has seen this yet but supposedly this guy was also claiming to be greg's partner....
i informed greg of this post so i would like to hear his say on this
 
Keys & Kritterz said:
I can feel my blood boiling.... how could someone have such nice snakes and keep em like that. Bein a locksmith, if I lived in Oregon I would feel obligated to go in an take those snakes...... and possibly wait for him to come home in a dark corner of the room. :D
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While the pictures are disturbing, I want to point out that if you click on the link and read the caption to the left, it does say the surviving snakes were rescued... So while a good incation of terrible husbandry, it is apparently not a current situation...

Ed
 
...not sayin it didn't happen....but if something like this happened it would be all over the oregon news and most of us in the northwest would have heard something about it. People around here (oregon) know who he is and they haven't heard anything until this post.
 
from what i can tell quite a few of the snakes with swollen faces have mouth rot. it causes sores and a chessy growth that can progrssively stop eating as it grows. teeth fall out as a result of it and getting rid of mouth rot is fairly easy with medicine. the severly unsanitary conditions are deplorable however. i would have more to say but as a few people have perviously mentioned these pics are dated so we don't know if the condition has changed and we can't tell if these pics are really against the guy the OP says they are. none the less nothing should have to live in any situation like those have.
 
I tried looking online and couldn't find any sort of news reports about a Kris Smalley animal cruelty case in Oregon. I did find an Oregon Facebook page for some snake enthusiast named Kristopher Smalley, so I sent him a message with a link to this thread to see if he had anything to offer.
 
Well, I did some looking online too... the only thing I found was a Myspace page, to a snake enthusiast, who lives in Portland Oregan, who goes by the name of Kristopher Smalley.

http://www.myspace.com/embracethesnake

Browse through the photos
FAR from anywhere near proof, but i'm just sayin'....

Does this rack (and their conditions for that matter :ack2:):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55916402@N05/5179522570/in/set-72157625420995750/

look similar to the rack that this snake is in?

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/29/l_e5de362743a754f799d65d841f2f6393.jpg

In other photos, the carpet colors are very similar as well. Don't mean to imply anything, but from an outsider's point of view, Mr. Smalley isn't looking that hot.
 
Can you have the old roommate come here and collaborate? I think that would help prove who's collection it is.

That is SOOOOOOOOOO horribly disgusting. By looking at that myspace link, I'm going to guess that this is the same person, too. The bedding and water bowls are the same in some of the pics, and it does look like the same place. Also, that would help explain why so many of his snake pictures are of them soaking in the tub. :ack2:
 
same cages

JordanAng420 said:
Well, I did some looking online too... the only thing I found was a Myspace page, to a snake enthusiast, who lives in Portland Oregan, who goes by the name of Kristopher Smalley.

http://www.myspace.com/embracethesnake

Browse through the photos
FAR from anywhere near proof, but i'm just sayin'....

Does this rack (and their conditions for that matter :ack2:):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55916402@N05/5179522570/in/set-72157625420995750/

look similar to the rack that this snake is in?

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/29/l_e5de362743a754f799d65d841f2f6393.jpg

In other photos, the carpet colors are very similar as well. Don't mean to imply anything, but from an outsider's point of view, Mr. Smalley isn't looking that hot.
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look at the lock and hinges on the picture with the retic, it is the same as the top cage with the boa in it. Bet my collection it
 
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