KMDragons
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Yes it's my second degreePharmacy tech does not a biochemist make.
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Yes it's my second degreePharmacy tech does not a biochemist make.
No it was in perfect health and buyer says ok to shipping. USDA clearly rules newspaper as insulation and I received other reptiles shipped this way so I also adopted this method. I already posted that I am changing my shipping methods. Also I am a bio chemist chemist and hot hands are made with the exact ingredients the other warmers. Surface area is 135F and was nowhere near cup. Also rapping in tape prevent spiking due to contact with oxygen. If you look at package it arrives at 8AM!!!!!!! And weather DID NOT affect package or arrival time they only got 4" of snow. Buyer also did not contact in 2 hour period WITCH IS STANDARD FOR EVERY SELLER. Just a FYI reptiles do not have C1 or C2 receptors and only react to stress it due to lactic acid build-up.
Then you should know that having the same ingredients does not mean the kinetics, peak maximum, duration, and other functional aspects are identical to a proper heat pack (such as Uniheat). Mass is different. Pore size on the diffusion membrane is different. Surface area is different. Modification via wrapping in tape may change the diffusion rate, but do you know what you do not know? You do not know what that potentially altered rate is and you do not know the extent of change in the reaction kinetics (nor the actual change in peak maximum and change in duration of output).
Please explain the relevance of your mention of the complement system in this discussion as a basis for any conclusion relating to it.
Still wondering where the photos of the label for the product are, too.
Yes it's my second degree
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This is so upsetting!
Ship Your Reptiles has guidelines posted, expansive and detailed guidelines, that this guy has chosen to ignore
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Also, I seriously doubt that this package, of the seller's, would pass the package testing/evaluation, at FedEx, in order to become FedEx certified to ship live critters.
How the seller can defend the manner, in which this lizard was shipped, is beyond me. It is a sub-par, very poor, packaging job no matter the weather. Although dangerous shipping weather is another thing that the seller ignored.
To beat all, seller blames the buyer, via a lame reason/excuse, for the gecko's condition!
Such nerve. SMH
Guess you can say that I am yet another person who believes that the seller should own take responsibility for his errors.
Hopefully, for animals' sake, the seller changes his shipping practices to what is appropriate. Otherwise, my advise is, & will be, to steer clear of this seller.
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While I agree with your post COMPLETELY, I also agree with the OP and others who assert that the animal could not have possibly been healthy to start with and was misrepresented by the seller.
@chazzz
OMG! I ~literally~ shot coffee out my nose because of your post! Now I have to take my my brand-new down comforter to the dry-cleaner dry-cleaner, you dasterd!ROFLMAO!!!
~Beau
No it was in perfect health
and buyer says ok to shipping.
USDA clearly rules newspaper as insulation and I received other reptiles shipped this way so I also adopted this method. I already posted that I am changing my shipping methods.
Also I am a bio chemist chemist
and hot hands are made with the exact ingredients the other warmers. Surface area is 135F and was nowhere near cup. Also rapping in tape prevent spiking due to contact with oxygen.
If you look at package it arrives at 8AM!!!!!!! And weather DID NOT affect package or arrival time they only got 4" of snow. Buyer also did not contact in 2 hour period WITCH IS STANDARD FOR EVERY SELLER.
BOI Kyle
Come on everyone don't you think you're being a bit harsh, especially considering Kyle holds multiple degrees degrees in the sciences. He is a Bio chemist chemist as well a pharmacy tech tech, that should impress all of us. Until now I only thought people who would ship as he did were either green and didn't know any better, or they were trying to cut corners to save a few measly dollars with no regard to the animals welfare. After nearly three decades working with Reptiles and placing judgment on those who used these shipping practices, I would like to make a formal apology to them as Kyle has open my eyes to just how wrong I've been. Even the USDA says crumpled newspaper and a cardboard box is the proper insulation method for shipping herps. You learn something new everyday.
Not only will I change my shipping methods from using proper styrofoam to insulate the box, and change from 48 hour UniHeat heat packs to hand warmers wrapped, sorry "rapped" in tape. I will also stop using coolers at barbecues for beer. I will now use a cardboard box with newspaper filler and ice. Who knew this method that seems utterly ridiculous would actually be far superior at holding proper temps.
I know most of you are requesting Kyle backup all his claims. Is that actually necessary, considering this information has been bestowed upon us by an elite self proclaimed scientist scientist. Isn't his word alone, proof enough?
I'm sure the deterioration of the gecko's condition all happened within the last 45 min prior to pickup. Kyle said so! From dehydration, weight loss, adhering to the deli cup as well as any other heath issues it has. That last 45 min sitting in a temp controlled office awaiting pickup has to be the reason this gecko is knocking on deaths door. We don't know and can't know for sure but it's perfectly logical to assume. Using Kyle's interpretation of what happened, it's highly probable if the gecko was picked up even five minutes earlier all if this could have been avoided. Listen, 5 min or 45 minutes doesn't matter, late is late, which, (sorry) "witch" is clearly the most critical element concerning the health of the shipped animal. Aside from the expert Kyle (KMDragons) who's to say really when the life was actually sucked out of this poor gecko. But thanks to the insight of Kyle KM Dragons we know it had to happen within the last 45 minutes just prior to pickup. What a gift of knowledge he has, and so humble.
I apologize to those of you who don't appreciate sarcasm. It was my third attempt at commenting on this thread and the first two were riddled with infractions. The passive aggressive approach seemed to be the better option rather than aggressive.
Kyle and Krystal Salzmann I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with this! You didn't deserve this mess and neither did that poor gecko. I really hope she pulls through!
And Kyle KMDragons wake up! You're so wrong, this is all on you, do the right thing, refund the money, and apologize. If it's your ego that is getting in your way, then pay your ego $75 to take a vacation and do what's right. As it stands now from all the evidence posted including the nonsense you posted, the Bad Guy title seems to be a perfect fit for you. You still have the ability to change that! Suck it up, admit your mistake and deal with it like a professional, or at least an adult.
Spot on.Hmm. This is some of the worst shipping I've seen. Where does the USDA say newspaper in a cardboard box with holes in it works as an insulated shipping container? Anything I found for shipping something perishable required actual styrofoam insulation. For example:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/sp2userfiles/place/30200525/396thermaldesignofshippingcontainersforbeneficialinsects.pdf
I am disputing the 'bio-chemist' claim also. Since you're using this claim as an excuse for your shipping practices, it's fair game. Where did you get this 4-year B.S. degree, and why in the world would someone with a 4 year degree in bio-chem get a useless but costly pharmacy tech degree? I'm betting I've taken more biochem and physics than you and have much more of an understanding of heat transfer, but I don't run around telling people I'm a physicist, regardless of my degree(+).
I think the $75 refund requested by the buyer is a good deal for you and you'd be stupid not to take it. In my opinion, they deserve a full refund due to the vet bills they will have to take on just to give this little one a chance to survive.
Though I don't have a fancy degree to run around and throw in people's faces that don't agree with me, (not you April
Though I don't have a fancy degree to run around and throw in people's faces that don't agree with me, (not you April