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Lending Boa out for breeding was a mistake I guess

Sorry this took soo long BUt there are a few of us researching for exactly where we had found that pic on RTb site. IF the pic is NOT of my male, which we doubt, I am an honest enough person to conscend to such that we grabbed the wrong pic, if that is what is found to be. We're looking for the post like I said to verify the pic and which snakes are in it atm. If a mistake was made in regards to that pic, it'll be noted np. BTW.. The pic is labeled as something like first meeting/intro or the like AND is from when she had my male in her possession too.
Here's a post that has MORE of Rachel's posting that relates to her having my male AND also that one of her females is gravid though. The pic that is already on this thread does suck in showing the bottom snake, for comaprison use BUT here's the addy to the thread I just mentioned...

Rachel's thread on my male and the bite he gave her hubby from feeding responce. Take note that it was mentioned more than once even in regards to the gravidity of one of her females and my male boa she had too for breeding in that thread.

Here's my male boa that she borrowed from me...
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here's the pic of those two snakes together..

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i know it can be a PITA  to find what is being refered to in a lengthy post thread so here's what I was pointing out in the thread that I gave the link for in this post now..

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I don't know what it is, but seems to be that other people's snakes seem to love the taste of my husband's left hand   This bite is compliments of the male Boa I have on loan from Lori for breeding. All I can assume is that he smelled rat in the room (feeding day) and mistook his hand for a big chucky jumbo rat...lol! This boy was even more stubborn than the burm I got from Eddie. He just didn't want to let go. My hubby must taste good    </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

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The scary thing is this isn't even a big boa. He's only about 5 1/2 ft. We have a couple of 7+fters here. It was our mistake, now that I think about it. We are just about finished that big multi-unit cage we have been building, only have a few finishing touches left. And I have a gravid boa on plain newspaper in one section, so we can feed her in her cage (so as not to handle her while gravid). Well, she had eaten shortly before we went to take Lori's boa out to eat (who is now right below her in the new cage), and the rat smell must have still been hanging around. Now we know, feed the others first, then the gravid one...lol  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

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Don't know how much he's grown, we only had him 3 months now, and he's only shed once. He sure knows how to eat though!...lol! Yeah, definately feed him first..lol! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>


Hope that helps shed some light on the matter even further at this point. Once we find the source/post of that other pic we shall note that here also.
 
Ok..Found that pic of the two boas on posting and for once rachel actually was correct on which boas they are. the pic is of two is of one of hers and a rescue she got in. Error on this side.. Now we gotta find the dang pic she had posted with the male and her female together. There is a pic that was posted and we should be able to find it .. at some point. There's only like TONS of posts on RTB atm..arghh.
Again .. sorry for placing the wrong pic up, mistook which one it was.
On a note.. that doesn't change ALL the facts which have come forth to date in regards to the females mating with my male at all none the less.
Now to find the dang correct pic....
 
OK.. Joe Brant of MOI really needs to stop the sending of crappo emails. He has sent 3 of this one to one of my email accounts in a matter of minutes today recently.

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I forwarded it to one of my other email accounts as I had gotten a pop up on the one it was sent to stating that it had html coding in it and possible virus'. I haven't opened the attachments and am forwarding them to someone who knows more in that area than I do in regards to virus' etc. BTW the file is 935kb and he has sent it 3 times now, that I know of...






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I've said it before, I'll say it agian.  I'm not a snake person.  

IMO, the pictures don't matter, since Rachel talked about your male being housed with a gravid female.  Do snake people usually breed a female, then house her with a different male?  Sounds conclusive to me, but this may just be my ignorance of snake husbandry shining through.
 
Ok.. It's not a virus..just a HUGE file of email crap is all. That I don't need none the less.

JOE BRANT ..STOP sending email like this to my account !!
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do snake people usually breed a female, then house her with a different male? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Umm.. Nope, not usually  AND for many reasons too. What i do in breeding is to ONLY allow the female to come in contact with ONE male for breeding season. That is how I am 100% sure of the parentage for one thing.
I have heard that when breeding certain species, the etb I think it is, that by placing two males with one female it works to stimulate the breeding of the snakes. I may be wrong though. Sure someone will come along and correct it if I am though. BUT as far as the Boa/BCi goes.. the answer I think you will find is NO for your question you asked.
 
Breeders Projects thread!

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Another RTB member pointed this one out in chat.
 
Well, I don't know all the details behind this but I did have one dealing with Rachel (aka Boababe) regarding a rescue. She had no clue how to care for it, had horrible instructions on her website about it, and well to make a long story short, the adoption didn't happen and I have no clue what happened to the poor snake. I don't believe she actually cares about the animals she takes in. My feeling is that she just wants to make a buck no matter what.
From seeing her take in rescues only to turn around and try to sell them, makes me doubt what she says about not having an agreement with Lori. It would not surprise me at all if she sold all the babies and stiffed Lori.
 
On a post on another site, Rachel says the boas were gravid when she picked them up at a Philly SPCA after they were picked up from a pet store.

Rachel can come here and post the paper work on that also.

I doubt she has that though.

ALL animals from shelters come with paperwork.
And the paperwork can be verified through the shelter.
Unless it doesn't exist or was faked.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Darin Chappell @ Sep. 17 2002,15:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I asked her for a post or an e-mail where I made that agreement. She won't have one because that agreement was never made. Who in their right mind would house and feed both parent boas and all the babies and then agree to half???!! All she did was have one less snake to feed for 4 months, I did all the work and put out all the $$ to make it happen. BTW, that pic that's being tossed around of "her" boa and mine breeding is 2 of my FEMALE snakes...lol! Check out other pics of Sidney and Aprodite in my photo album <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Um, Rachel, it is called a STUD FEE.  No matter how long you delay in getting the stud back to the rightful owner.
This is pretty standard across the board.
In dog breeding, the person who provides the stud also gets the pick of the litter.
And since you are so tight with the Brants, really how much $ could you have spent on feeding one snake for 4 months?
And I think Lori would have gladly taken her snake back after one month.  I guess she should be lucky you didnt decide to keep him as "payment" for housing/food costs, lol!
Pretty low.
Dana
 
Obviously, that would have happen if  Lori would have not sent a friend out to pick him up.
 
Ok..I am going to post on this.  It has to do with Rachel's ethics and practices, not with the current situation.  I believe that everyone needs to know what this woman is/has been doing to everyone.  I'm not the only one she has done this to:

I'm in CA...the snakes, Macklot's pythons, were in OR. 300 miles, not a big deal for a drive to give them a good home. Ritchie was kind enough to post the adoption on RTB after seeing it show up on his website. Rachel e-mailed him and I did as well. He preferred to do a local adoption. He agreed to let me have them and we were working on a date to meet. As soon as I posted I was getting them and needed more info on them, the guy's whole attitude changed. I started getting e-mails from him about absolute specific care (what substrate, are you going to handle them or will they be display animals, how big is the enclosure, will you house together or separately?) Question upon question...I knew in my mind, with NO doubt why I was getting the third degree...and she later admitted to me she was e-mailing him, feeding him questions to ask me. Good way to make someone look bad, don't you think, and to undermine the confidence of both parties? Well, my b/f decided I couldn't drive up to get them. I was simply heartbroken. But it was snowing in the passes and he didn't want me to get in an accident on the way up. After I posted that I could not get them, I also e-mailed the man and told him. I get a response saying I should start with something easier, such as a BRB??? Rachel posted after me saying, "Well..did anyone even bother to see who replied to this first anyway?" and, "....and they are a pair to boot!"   These posts have been since lost because of RTB's switch-over....Others knew since I talked to them about it and how hurt I was over the whole situation. When Rachel posted about people saying stuff about her and 'should she leave', I e-mailed her and tried to work it out. She lied to me! Told me she "had no idea it was me, or she wouldn't have stepped in..." Yeah, right, SHE POSTED AFTER ME!!! I went along with her little story and told her what Lin told me about the Mack's. They were bitey. Not just strike/release, but bite/hang on/constrict/chew, as poor Ritchie found out not too long ago since they went to him.. Next thing I know, she says she can't take them because she is just too busy (we all know she is intimidated by large snakes, especially those that bite).

I want the reptile world to know and beware.  After the first strike or bite, Rachel would have put them up for adoption or neglected them completely.  Certainly not what Lin had in mind for them....:angry:

I encourage all those who have had adoptions 'stolen' from under them because of her to post on this Board.  She does this for animals she wants in her personal collection.  Animals that are too sick or she does not want, she will claim she has no time or room.  I remember at one point she stated she was gettign out of the adoption/rescue business...but that has been conveniently deleted with the rest of the BOA on MOI.  

Another lie, Rachel?
 
Here's the two posts refering to the macklots...
There is a gap on one of them but I don't think it's from the site conversion.
On the first post, pay attention to the gap between Bocephus' post, Posted: Dec 20, 2001 - 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 AM
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Ritchies post, Posted: Jan 21, 2002 - 01:45 AM  

It looks like someone went in ad deleted the posts they made on there.
Maybe these posts will jog some ones memory to verify what was in the now missing posts.


Free macklots!


I need info!
 
Geez...
Look at all this friggin drama wil yah?
I didnt even bother reading them all, to many to sort through.

Ill come back to my original statement, breeding loans , especially with people you dont really knw or cant reach out and touch...SUCK.

Rachel...the standard split on a breeding loan is 50%-50%. If you expected more, perhaps you would have been better served by going out and BUYING your own boa versus borrowing someone elses. Without theirs you cant breed yours, so WHATEVER fee is charged is more than fare. You are not in a position of power because of your neediness.

What really eats me up about this situation is that it didnt have to be...the snakes would have lived just fine in their unbred state.Sometimes I think we overstretch ourselves
and in our zeal to make situatins work, leave ourselves vulnerable to others less than honest motives.



Fred
(Aztec Reptiles)
 
I usually don't get involved here but this takes the cake!! Hopefully EVERYONE that reads this thread will STOP buying from Mice on Ice, blacklist Lori?? What a joke, a chimp can breed mice. Fred said it best in his response, kudos to you Fred. I think Mike did everyone a great deed here, now we know who NOT to buy mice from. Lori you have 1/2 a clutch of boas due you, hopefully Mutt & Jeff will wake up and do the right thing. Mice on Ice.... what a class act you have there. Ron Radloff
 
The following post was actually written with the intent of posting on RTB.net, but my account is messed up there, and the info applies here too. I have forwarded this to a friend to post on RTB, but if someone else sees it first, feel free to do it for me (the entire post, not just the parts you like):

    I don't even know where to start. Ok, first I'll address the "we have to post in public because she doesn't respond to private e-mails". That is the biggest load of BS out there. I received ONE e-mail from Lori Sunday night. I was so upset about it, I choose to wait to reply because what I wanted to say at that point was not going to be nice at all. So I figured I would let myself cool off. Monday morning, it was all over the web. Unlike most here, I don't spend my life sitting on my butt behind a computer. To say that I don't reply to e-mails when less than a day is given to reply is jumping the gun a bit, don't ya think? When it comes to Albinoburmman, or whatever his name is, yes he had e-mailed me, and I turned on YIM last night for the first time in a week to see he had sent OFFLINE IM's. Plain and simple, it says it on my website, I don't answer e-mails as to what's available for adoption because it's all posted on the site. Doesn't Lori's site say the same thing?  Since I don't spend my life behind the computer, when I get approx 200 e-mails a day, I have to pick and choose what e-mails I do take the time to deal with. I had answered e-mails to him previously, and when it got to questions about things already covered, that's when it ended. The only other e-mails I haven't answered were excerpts from posts that Eddie forwarded to me. I didn't realize he wanted a reply, and it appeared to be that he was just taunting me. I don't play those childish games. I haven't posted on RTB for a few reasons. 1) My account is yet again messed up, and I can't log on, no matter what I try. 2) Why bother? None of you listen to me anyway. Just look at the thread that was supposed to be about my website. Every time I made a point, or asked a question that the answer would have proven a point in my favor, it just got ignored, or diverted. 3) There are sooooo many things that have been totally exaggerated, or flat out lies, it would take me a year to address every single one, and I'm not wasting any more of my time on those who have absolutely nothing to do with this. People are presenting things as "the truth". What makes it the truth? Because you say so? The pic of Sidney and Aprodite (my 2 females) was being presented as the truth until I made a comment. So it's truth until I prove otherwise? Last I checked, wasn't it supposed to be, "Innocent until proven guilty"? So the only way to prove myself is to play your game? I think not. I'm not being drawn into this waste of time. So now Lori's boa was returned to her with mites? This is the first I have heard of that one. What next, RI, IBD? C'mon people, the stories get bigger every time they are told. And plain and simple, that's all this is, a bunch of stories. I have yet to see actual proof, only people's ideas of the truth

    As far as MOI is concerned, what is going on between Lori and I has absolutely nothing with what MOI is about. MOI is about a place where people can seek out animals to adopt, and where people looking for homes for their reptiles can look. Nothing more, nothing less. All your dribble has done nothing other than discourage people from the site, and therefore leaving one less outlet for homeless reptiles to find a home. I do nothing other than moderate the site now. I have not contacted one person from that site in regards to helping with a reptile since the whole DE lizard thing. I'm busy enough with what comes from the shelters I deal with. So now I'm asking nicely, please leave all of this out of MOI. No matter what you think about Joe Brant, or myself it still doesn't make a difference to what the site is about. Posting there is doing no harm to him or me, it's only damaging the site. Post all you want on RTB, BOI, or anywhere else appropriate.

    As far as the situation currently at hand, that is no one's business except Lori and me. If it had been kept that way, it could have easily been worked out by now. I know I said in an e-mail to Lori, that she was getting nothing from me, but that was also written in a time where my name had just been smeared all over the web. I plan on giving her an offer to see if WE can work this out. Notice I said WE, as in Lori and I, not everyone on the web that has an opinion. Although, knowing Lori, it will probably be posted everywhere anyway (NOTE: Not posting everywhere would be beneficial to working things out). Anyway, I never said that there was no deal, I simply said there was not a deal for a 50/50 split. It was actually quite nonchalant. It was simply for SOME of the babies. I specifically remember thinking how strange it was after she left, to leave him here without a clearly defined percentage. In my mind, this is how I got set up.

    Geeze, I never even asked to borrow this snake! She had posted a pic of him, I commented on how beautiful I thought he was, and Lori knowing I had all females at the time, and no males, OFFERED him to me. She said he had already bred with her females, and she was sure they would be gravid by then, but he was still going. So considering she was already coming this way to bring me some rescues, she brought him along too. As far as returning him is concerned, I wanted to get him out! He had bred with 2 of my females over the course of 2 months, and then all together, stopped. So the rest of the time he was here, I was just feeding and housing him. When Lori dropped him off, she said she would pick him up on her next trip in FEB!! Well, Feb came and went, and she hadn't made the trip yet. At that point, I didn't mind because she was my friend. But once she did finally start her trip in late March or Early April (can't remember offhand exactly when), she was again supposed to stop by to drop off some rescues, and this time pick up her boa. Next thing I know, Lori is having a fit because there were some lizards in DE that she and another wanted that I had already contacted the guy about taking in. I wasn't planning on keeping them all, and was more than willing to have Lori take her picks, and even told the guy with the lizards about her. I offered to go get the lizards so she had one less stop along the way, but all she thought was this was my way of getting what I wanted. Talk about paranoid when you can't even trust your friends that are trying to do you a favor. She wanted them all, felt I had no right to any of them, and felt I was stepping on her toes. Even though I had contacted the guy first, he agreed to surrendering them to me, all before she had. Keep in mind, when I first contacted him, I didn't know she was interested in any of them, and when I found out, I said, "Sure, I figured you would take many of them anyway". But at that point, my name was already smeared all over the place. With that happening, of course I didn't want her in my home! Twice before I opened up my home to her. Let her and her husband stay overnight at my house. The first time I let her stay, I hadn't even seen a pic of her! It was a slap in the face the way she was acting because she got greedy over rescue animals. So I e-mailed her and told her she was no longer welcome in my home. Since SHE wasn't replying to any of my e-mails, I sent one to her (or posted, can't remember) saying I would ship her boa back to her in about 2 weeks to allow for her to get back from her trip. I abandoned RTB because of the smear campaign against me, and went out my life. Then approx 2 weeks later, I get an e-mail from Lori about her snake, and how she arranged for Billy to pick up. I had no problem with this, but couldn't do it on the day she choose, so Billy and I worked out another day. I never denied the return of the boa. I simply wasn't going to ship off a snake, when I didn't know for sure that she was going to be there to receive it. I never got an e-mail saying, "I'm home now, you can ship him out this day". In fact, I didn't know she was back until she sent the e-mail with the arrangement with Billy. Had SHE e-mailed me stating she were back, Billy would never had to pick up. Although, I was happy he did considering shipping is stressful on a snake. All in all, what I'm saying is that I agreed to ship back in about 2 weeks, and then about 2 weeks later, I get an e-mail about an arranged pick up. How is this holding the snake? Apparently Lori keeps a date book, and if you are 1/2 a day late, then you are not replying to e-mails or returning snakes. Guess I got to be lightning with her, even though she was about 2 months behind on her trip where she was supposed to pick up.

    Last, but not least, to address people accusing me of selling rescues. I charge adoption fees. So does Lori. Lori actually charges more than I do, but somehow I am selling, and she is not. Go figure. I would like to say this is the last you will hear of me, but considering the stories get bigger and bigger each time they are told, I'm sure you will. Just don't go expecting me to play along with your little flame war and answer every single question/accusation that's out there. As I said before, I have better things to do with my time (clean cages, feed reptiles, update the website, deal with shelters, WORK A FULL TIME JOB, moderate MOI, build newer better enclosures, answer e-mails in regards to rescues, screen applications, talk with potential adopters, talk with owners of surrenders, keep the rest of the house, spend time with my son and husband, and did I mention cleaning cages?). With all of this listed, IMO, it's pretty good that I found time to write this book. It just makes me wonder how much Lori does considering she's ALWAYS online. Oh, I forgot, she's got a huge family that does it all for her. Not surprising considering in the two stops she made here, I only saw her handle 2 snakes. One was a small Ball Python, and the other was a completely puppy tame albino burm (and it was my idea to take the burm out). And word gets passed around that I'm afraid of some of the snakes? Day one that she met me, my husband and I had to bathe a 10ft aggressive boa that had pooed all over himself. The hisses were so loud you could hear it in the other room. She didn't even come look when we asked. Oh, I'm sorry, she also handled a regular burm AFTER I took him out and saw how tame he was. She ended up taking him with her, and tried switching the adoption fees with another snake so she could pay a lower fee (the fees were from the shelter that Eddie got them from, not from me). And for the 50th time!! I did NOT reject CB76 from adopting, we had difficulties arranging getting the burm to him. After a few failed attempts, he finally said that if I have someone else, I might as well go with them, there would be plenty of other burms in the future. Don't believe me? Ask him yourself!

    Anyway, I'm trying to address as many things as possible now, because I will not be wasting this much time on this again. Let's see, I was also quoted about my almost circle backed boa being gravid. Well, I thought she was, but if she is, she's WAY overdue considering she only bred with the male for about 3 days in Jan. You mean to tell me no one (human even) has had a pregnancy scare? Geeze, there were times I was late and thought I was pregnant. Lucky for humans, we have pregnancy tests. I didn't have that luxury with the boa. I thought she was gravid. She started eating less, and appeared darker. After some time, she resumed eating normally, and after looking at some older pics of her, she really didn't get darker, I think it was just my wishful thinking.

    Here's another one. Pics of mine are now being shown all over the place as proof. I can easily recognize my snake at a glance, but Lori mistakes mine for hers? How often do you look at your snake Lori? I can understand Eddie making the mistake considering he hasn't seen either snake, but you mistake yours for mine? Just because the pic is titled "firstintro" that doesn't mean it was your snake's first intro. It was the first time I had introduced any snakes. Aprodite (the pink one on top) had just finished quarantine, and at the time, the only other place better than a Rubbermaid was with Sidney. Funny, with all that everyone claims to know, that was being passed off as proof, as a snake porn pic of the 2 of them. Well, not only was it 2 females, but when boas breed, the male is the one on top.

    Well, now my brain is fried, and I have gone on longer about this than I cared to. I'm sure there will be all kinds of comments on how I'm lying, and there's proof, "in these very threads", and it will add another 5 pages to the thread. Anymore, I really don't care. All it is, is a bunch of people who are not involved interpreting and piecing together things the way they want to. I honestly don't know why I'm even doing this. Every time I have posted in the past, everyone says it's all lies, but when Lori or someone else posts, it's gospel. It's already predetermined by all that it's going to be a lie, so why even ask for my words on this? Just so you have more to cackle over? Well, have fun, I'm outta here. The rest of this will be worked out with Lori privately through e-mail. Of course, Lori has to reply to work it out <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
 
Rachel you say the others twist your words....
Well can you "untwist" something for me?

First you write or post to her this
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NOT FROM YOUR BOA</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Then now I see this
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I plan on giving her an offer to see if WE can work this out.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

If those are NOT from her male.....why would you want to work things out?

I mean if that is the case.....I KNOW you had baby boas that were NOT from my male......Can we work something out too?

Also I know you posted that you were not into rescues anymore and you will not be involved with them anymore.....
So why are you still invovled.

Let me get this straight....you borrowed Lori's male for five months and mated it with only two females.  And the only one that took was the one you mated with your own male which you got at a later time?

Let me get this straight YET AGAIN
The female you mated Lori's male with was a RESCUE/ADOPTION
The male you took in and fathered your liter was a RESCUE/ADOPTION................
Gee when I said I had no problems with breeding adoptions.....
you were the first to respond negatively to me.
you were the first to say "under no circumsztances should rescue/adoptions be bred and produce more unwanted snakes

You say to me breeding rescue/adoptions is a no no.
But you can do it yourself?

By the way...when I find homes for animals...I do not charge adoptions fees....there were even a couple times I shipped with my own money.


Hello world...Rachel is a hypocrite with tones of double standards.  You can't breed adopted animals...But she can.
You can't sell adopted animals....But she can try
 
Rachael, your tale does not seem too sincere. For instance
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>I specifically remember thinking how strange it was after she left, to leave him here without a clearly defined percentage. In my mind, this is how I got set up.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> You had her male, and you would have all the babies, you realized there could be some confusion, and now you are saying she set you up??? Sounds to me like you are trying to take advantage of the situation and now that it is "out" for all to see,
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>I plan on giving her an offer to see if WE can work this out. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
When were the babies born? Why make an offer now? A little after the fact, but better late than never for Lori's sake.
You and Joe Brant from MICE ON ICE are BOTTOM FEEDERS.
 
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