Lori Kehoe/Lori_SnakesRule (not a good guy post, not a bad guy post)

[ReticEd]

woW!

ME??

news to me, that is me being the bad guy...

Seems that I asked Lori for proof of the accusations towards the other admins.
Guess what?
She has not shown any!

If there are complaints about me, pertaining to any actions I took in an administrative standing, guess what else?

I ran them through other members, usually Lori first, then other admins and mods and the odd occasion, regular members.
If any of the asked parties dissagreed, then I took NO action.

Let's see.. I locked 3 accounts while in the process, two of the accounts were at LORIS request since I am on cable and she on dial up. (she asked me since it takes forever for dial up to load){both accounts were Boababes)
The other account was a member that had 100% of his posts locked or deleted due to flames and ya know what?
NOONE dissagreed with it.

I also have proof of why I deleted posts, IE: Screen captures.

Does Lori?

I don't take things as personally as some others did.
If I have a problem with a post, if not a violation of common sense, then I get the member on PM or in chat and figure out what steps to take.
If I move a post or delete one, I often send a PM to the member, letting them know why.
Usually it is a double post or in the wrong forum.
Many times I even include the URL of the posts new home.

There are even a few members that have had many problems on many forums with many people other than the admins of RH.
There are some people that you just can't please.
Some will take ANY dissagreement with them as a personal attack.
The same people think that the higher the post count, the smarter they are and the better their image is seen.

Oddly enough, these people always start stuff, in forums and in PMs, then claim innocence and cry foul when they are told to knock it off.
Same type also goes absolutely bonkers when their post count drops, making flames and posting like a mad man to keep the post count as high as possible.
We did a major forum clean up on another site a few months ago, only ONE person complained since they thought it was a personal attack on them.
BTW, I am at a NEGATIVE 70 some posts there due to the clean-up.
Is that account locked?
No.

I have at least one person that I had a minor dissagreement with MANY months ago, that although this member tried to trash me, my entire family and everything about me, not just on RH but on other sites and their chats.

Did I lock their account?
No.
Others saw the same patterns and decided to simply ignore them.
Usually ignoring people like that will achieve a better result in a shorter time period.
Problem solved.

The only 'complaints' I can think of are most likely from the political threads that pop up from time to time.
If some one is offended that I show that they have ben miss-led
with REAL and TRUE information, then sorry, maybe they should have done their homework just a little bit better.
Then again, some of the nastiest threads and posts were from members that were only online to find pity for themselves, the 'Look at me!' types that are insecure enough that they need to be constantly praised otherwise they will wallow in depression and self pity.

Is it really right, to tell them that what they do is correct, although in our hearts and minds, we know, that it is not?

So Devin-puppet, until we see some actual proof of the accusations made by Lori, along with undeniable links and screen captures of where we went bad, then I suggest that you take the time to take up another hobby, besides being Loris puppet.

And also, Devin,
man, ya like a bro to me.
Unfortunately families fight and argue sometimes.
I do hope that after its all done with, we can both be men and get over whatever is going on.

 

[XzyluM]

Like I said before I don't hold grudges. Real life is always a different scene than differences related to a website. Just one thing I would like to clear and partially one of the reasons I decided it was best for me to leave the site. I am not sucking up to anyone, so I hope you and the others at RH would really drop that and get over it because I had a differing opinion. Pretty lame if someone thinks I am sucking up. Other than that, I think the RH issues should be dropped, as many know several members left the sites all due to their own reasons and I do not feel the need to be taking it to other sites when it is eventually a dead issue and noone really cares about it anymore.

 

[ReticEd]

Like I said before I don't hold grudges.

Nor do I.


Here's food for thought Devin.

Since the resignation and abscence of Lori, RH traffic has increased, with many older members coming back into the active field.
We also have others signing up, since they don't have a reason to avoid dictatorship now.

New life has been breathed into other areas of the site as well.

Just sit back and think about why.

 

[RachelRodgers]

Now many people will not like to hear from me, but I know this has at least influenced some people's thoughts now. Otherwise I wouldn't even know this thread was going. Either way, my name has been mentioned several times throughout this thread, and I also have firsthand knowledge of both Eddie and Ritchie's situations with her, so here goes...

>She forgets to metnion that the reson she resigned is because >she had to give up (share) her super duper powers.

I know this is a little OT, but if anyone remembers correctly, all the problems between her and I started when I stepped on her toes by picking up some rescue animals that SHE wanted. Originally to adopt out, but later she said she wanted them for herself and her friend.

Now Ritchie says this which totally shocked me because from his description of this I knew it had to be Princess's cage (correct me if I'm wrong). My knowledge on this is below the quote.

>Here is part of my post in another forum

quote:
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Lori was gonna go down the east coast to run some errands....pick up some FREE animals and such. _She was gonna go from Massachusettes down to North C?arolina and Georgia. _Well since she was gonna be passing through South Carolina.....i asked her to pick up an animal for me in Pennsylvania. _She was also supposed to pick up the animals cage for me. _I was adopting the animal and I was gonna pay her some gas money.....even though it was on her way anyway.
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Want to know what happened? _I got the animal...I gave her gas money. and everything was good. _Months later I was thinking to myself..."I thought I was supposed to get a cage?" _It just so happened the owner e-mailed me and asked about the animal and the cage. _I told her "What cage? _I thought you changed your mind and decided not to give it to me?" _I then asked Lori what happened to the cage. _All she told me was it would not fit with all the animals she had in the van.
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1. _There was room for a cage in the van
2. _You mean to tell me you went all the way South to pennsylvania picked up an animal and a cage....decided the cage would not fit and drove all the way North to massachussettes to conveniently drop the cage off at your house?
3. _Why was I not informed about the cage not fitting in your van when I picked up the animal?
4. _I fthe cage could really not fit in your van....why did you not just leave it with the owner? _Why did you feel compelled to load it up into your van (even though it did not fit) and then go out of your way to take it home?
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It must have been a really nice cage.
The owner made it specially for the animal. _it was custom made.
The owner was mad at me for a while thinking I refused the cage or something. _I had to explain to her that the cage was conveniently left out of the conversation...the cage was conveniently not fitting in the van so the person delivering it ...delivered it to her own home.
_
That is my story.
My cards are on the table.
What does your cards say about it?
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I am trying to let this die down.......but I fell compelled to tell my story every time someone thinks someone else is just so honest.

Oh addie. a tor a turt and a corn snake?
You know those things won't make any money.
So forget about having those things picked up.
You know it is not about love of animals.....it is about how much money those animals will bring. (No one else has the balls to say it...So I just did)

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Ok, in reference to Ritchie's situation....it was my knowledge that she was picking up Princess (Ritchie's Burm), I don't remember hearing anything about a cage. And then coming to my house in NJ to pick up numerous reptiles (2 box turtles, 1 ally snapper, 1 iguana, 1 12ft burm...not princess). When she arrived at my apartment, she only had Princess and no other animal. Now I don't know how much room she had in her van, or how big Princess's cage is, but she had enough room to decide at the spur of the moment to take another snake from me that was 10ft long and in a 4x2 Rubbermaid. And the thing that really stuck in my mind about her taking that boa was that when her husband found out, he said, and I quote, "Where are we going to put THAT?!" Whatever she said in responce was too quite for me to hear, but the way I interpreted that statement was that they had no room in their home for such a large snake. At that point she only had 9 snakes in her home. I specifically remember that because with the way she had talked, I thought she had at least 20 at home. Now back then, we were friends. As far as she led me to believe, she went from my house south, not back up north. To make this situation a little more interesting, ALL the turtles she took from me died on the trip from overheating. Funny because she told me she had AC.

Now onto Eddie's problem. I think everyone knows that Eddie and I are far from friends, but when I see someone ripped off and I have knowledge on the situation, I'm going to speak up, no matter who it is.

This is another trip of Lori's. She, Eddie and I had arranged that she would stop at his place, pick up the Boa for herself, the Caimen, and 2 Burms to bring to me for placement, along with a boa she was loaning to me for breeding. Once I had found homes for the placed reptiles, I would forward the adoption fees to Eddie (VIA CHECK, not PP). When Lori got here, she brought all the reptiles in, and took them straight to my main reptile room (this trip I now lived in a house we had bought). I wanted to freak because of the chance of mites from new reptiles. I have a quarantine room, but they were brought into the main room. I didn't say anything because at the time, I looked up to her as a more experienced herper and didn't want to offend her. So I bit the bullet and put confidence that she had taken all precautions. I had a bunch of iguanas at the time, and she offered to help out with them, which I thought was wonderful. We figured since she was here, and on the road picking up and delivering rescues, we would take advantage and call my partner Kathy to see if there had been anymore reptiles surrendered to the Pa SPCA. Well, there were, so she and I decided to drive up to meet Kathy (1 1/2 hours away), and while we were coming up, Kathy would go into the city, pick them up, and then meet us, along with the person adopting the Caimen. I can't remember exactly what Kathy had picked up, but I know there was at least a baby gator, an iguana and 2 or 3 turtles. Before Kathy could even finish a breath, Lori said, "I'll take em!". So there is was. Lori took all but the baby gator, and he went to the same person adopting the caimen from Eddie. I had no problem with this because I had a bunch of iguanas at home, and now 2 burms that needed placement. Later that night after we got back to my place, we were hanging out in my reptile room talking and I asked if I could take out one of the burms (since she hadn't). She said sure, so I took out the bigger one (think he was 7-8ft?). After she saw how calm he was she asked to hold him, and started talking about how she was thinking of taking him for herself. I thought that was great because what better home could he get, right? She then went on to tell me that she had discussed this with Eddie that she MIGHT want to adopt it, and she and Eddie decided together that if she were to adopt it that the adoption fees would be switched so that she only had to pay the $50 adoption fee that was actually the 5ft burms fee, and I could charge whoever adopts the 5ft burm the $75 fee that was actually the bigger burm's fee. Needless to say, I was SHOCKED. I told her I couldn't do this because the person who was planning on adopting her already knew the fee was only $50. She laughed and said something along the lines of, "Ok, no problem". My question now is, does this sound like something an honest person would do? I know Eddie and she hadn't talked about this because I told him about it and he said he knew nothing about switching the fees. Well, she never helped with the iguanas she said she would, and I didn't complain because she took the ones from Kathy. To top off this situation, the reptiles she had left at my house broke out with mites very badly only a couple days later. Before I knew it, they were in almost every cage in my main room and I was battling mites for months after that. Since I finally got rid of those mites, I haven't had a single problem with them, even with doing rescue. I simply treat all new reptiles upon arrival, and all are quarantined. As far as gas money, she was already planning on making the trip, I gave her a free place to stay (both trips), and since she wasn't going that far out of her way for Eddie, I don't see how she could say it cost $100 in gas money for his part of the trip. I just last month drove my gass guzzler 697 miles, to Tenn, that's 12 hrs of driving, and we only had to fill the tank twice, that's approx $40-$50. IMO, she doesn't owe Eddie $37.50, she owes him the whole $75. Why should he have to pay half the adoption fee because she decided to drive to his house to adopt a boa for herself, and since she was going there, she OFFERED to transport the others. It's not like she would have spent less $$ if she didn't pick up the others...she was going there anyway. I may not care for Eddie, but I understand what it's like financially running a rescue. Simply put, he put out his own $$ to save 2 snakes that are now in her possession. Somehow she convinced him that she should not have to reimberse him fully because she drove to pick up snakes she wanted to adopt.

Ok, I know I'm writing a book here, but I wanted to give every detail I could remember so that everyone can see it's the truth. I only wish this side of her had been noticed when she was talking all that BS on me. Between her attcking me, and everyone else joining her side because she's "Lori who does so much, how could she be telling anything other than the truth" I started to believe what I was hearing. Or at least doubt that maybe we had made some sort of deal. Now that I have had a year to sit back and think about things without outside bombardment, I know there was no deal. I was new to breeding, had never even bred before, but like so many, wanted to try it. All I had were females. In PM one night, I was whining about having no males and out of the blue, she said, "Well, want to borrow my male? If he hasn't knocked up the females here yet, he's not going to." I asked her if she was sure, and she said yes, he's done his job here, so why not? (not exact words, but close). And that was it. Considering I was new to breeding, had never even thought about it being a "deal", I assumed she was just doing a favor and helping out a friend to get the experience of breeding. Later, I made the mistake of stepping on the All Powerful Lori's toes by taking in the rescues she wanted for her and her friend. After that, all he!! broke loose, and suddenly there was a "deal" I supposedly broke.

Well, I'm done ranting...lol! Basically all I hope for is that people realise that maybe I wasn't the devil and lori the angel in that situation. If I were so dishonest, why does Lori still owe Ritchie a cage, and Eddie $$ more than a year done the line, and it was so long ago that I paid Eddie, I forgot about it until I was reminded by reading this thread??? Not to mention, all the people who decided to hate me did so because of the problem I had with Lori. No one else has ever had a problem with me.

People who have had a single "situation" with Rachel= Lori

People who have each had all different "situations" with Lori=Admins and Mods of RH, Eddie, Ritchie and Rachel

 

[Seamus Haley]

Now... I specifically asked back on page three if any of this had to do with any of that, simply out of curiosity and to gain a more complete understanding...

And was told that it was completely separate and that the issues were totally unrelated in any way, shape or form.

And now one of the individuals who played a major part in the previous thread has cropped up again and stated that there was some relation between the issues...

Now either Rachel here is mistaken...

Or I read it really... really wrong...

Or Eddie was mistaken when he said it had nothing to do with the earlier problems...

Someone want to please clarify for me exactly what the nature of these multi-pointed interactive relationships are?

Because it seems from the past thread... provided Rachel is correct in the connections she made, even as small as they seem... That there's some sort of triangle here where there have been problems... Possibly with Ritchie off to the side somewhere with peripheral involvement at some point.

Maybe it's just me but at this point... yes, I am moving a bit past curious into slightly suspicious (Of what exactly I'm still not certain, it just seems strange)... when the same cast of characters crops up having problems with one another more than once, it really starts to make me wonder.

 

[ReticEd]

Actually, it is still a seperate issue completely.

The earlier issue, that was asked about was on a breeding loan, where the deal was made between Lori and Rachel.

The issue at hand, is why it has taken so long, after being ignored in PMs, chats and mails, to get reimbursed for an adoption fee that was split in half, to help with fuel costs, AFTER the animal was in Loris possession and AFTER Lori decided to keep it.

Although Rachels post was a bit long and hard to follow this early, but I think she was trying to merely verify what was said by Ritchie, on the cage, and about the burms adoption by Lori, after the fact that it had been picked up by Lori along with the other animals.

As it stands, she also verified that the trip was already planned by Lori, and my house was part of the trip to pick up the 11' boa. The other animals, the two burms and the caimen, were picked up by me after Loris trip was planned. Since I knew she was going by Rachels house, I asked if she could transport them as well.
No problem at all with transporting as her van (like most full size vans) had room for all and the cage which I had received from the boas previous owner.

 

[HerpVenue]

but I have to honestly say you are wrong. Weeks before the meeting even took place, Lori had already resigned her position and was waiting for Shane to appoint the admins and mods. So no, she did not resign because everyone else resigned and she had to give up her privileges.

So who did you get that information from?
Did you get it from Shane the sites owenr?
Did you get it from the Admins or mods?
Or did you get it from Lori? (little hint...just because she says it does not mean it is true)

Cause if she did resign weeks before the meeting.....
I find it quite odd that I had not heard anything about it...I am a mod.
No other mods or admins told me about it etiher.
I wiould like to know if anyone else knew about it.
If they did not...then again proof of things being decided but not passed to other admins and mods.

My point again.
She has all these special super duper powers that she could tell everyone what to do.....but she could not tell her admins and mods how to properly act?
Devin.....write down what you know from observation and not what Lori tells you that you know.

My observation. The only two admin abuse complaints I ever saw were both directed at Lori.
My obesrvation. Everyone elses resignation was denied except for Lori.
My observation. Other people have left the site because of Lori.


Now on this money issue. Let us know when you finally get that stuff in the mail. Devin sounds like he/she spends a lot of time with Lori. Maybe he/she can go drop it off at the mail for her.


Yes Rachel it was Princess' cage I was talking about.
I keep trying to forget aboutit...but something keeps reminding me.
Sorta like how I had to tell the previous owner that princess is gone....So the cage thing came up again. So I keep trying to let it drop but it keeps coming back up.

 

[XzyluM]

First of all, I talk to Lori rarely and when I do you can bet it's not about RH. Never was and never will be. I have nothing left to say but the admins that cried power now has there way. We'll see how it lasts and who's to blame when noone that was there that took the blame before. With Shane relatively inactive and not having the time to work the site, I can only see RH's days as numbered. My humble opinion and as far as this topic, it is dead meat.

 

[BWSmith]

OK, this is turning into a definate Bad Guy Post. While I am not a fan of Lori and definately have my own personal opinions about her, I think that points have been made. Devin, I think it is good that you would come here and state your opinions knowing the opposition that you would face. While I personally agree with Ritchie's interpretation of complaints and reasons for issues and resignations on RH, you are correct in saying that only time will tell. My personal belief is that time will tell what most of us mods and admins thought it would.

We have seemed to have strayed off topic into a Bad Guy Post, rather than a collection attempt. However, i CAN see relevance in most that was said. At least (I feel) that it has not turned into a flame or outright bashing session.

I would like to address one thing.
Devin, you said:

Let's say this, Lori is dealing with an E. Coli infection in her kidney and is suffering from migraines as well. Of course the medication she is having to taking is causing her to sleep about 18 hours a day. So does this mean she is trying to ignore this thread? I doubt so. Anyone that has been that sick knows pretty well that the internet is the last thing they want to be on.

First, let me say that if that is the case, I hope she feels better and gets well soon. I suffer from Migraines as well and do not wish them on anyone. But you also said in that quote that you doubt that she is ignoring the thread and the internet is probably the last thing she wants to deal with. I would tend to agree with you, except for one thing. Since April 1 (the beginning of this thread) to yesterday (the 9th) , she has posted 26 times on RTBs.com. I don't know about any other sites. That tells me that she is online more than a little. That is 26 posts in 9 days. Just my opinion, but that does not tell me that she is not online. But if someone told me they were having the problems you described, i would have come to the same conclusion had I not noticed this.

 

[ms_terese]

Can we back up a little bit?

Eddie has made his case that Lori has been avoiding the debt. Even Lori isn't disputing it. It seems from the emails that Lori has agreed to send out a money order, eventually, and we'll all have to wait to see how that turns out. I hope for Eddie's sake he gets it in the mail by the time summer arrives.

However, I don't think the problems at RH have anything to do with this $37.50. There's no point in trying to establish credibility for either Lori or Eddie, because the debt is not in dispute. This is not a "he said, she said" in which people are pleading their case in the court of general opinion.

Furthermore, the breeding loan situation doesn't belong in this either. Rachel, I respect that you're trying to show a pattern here, but your reasoning is flawed....just because there are now other issues with Lori, it's not the time to debate whether you really entered an agreement with her on a breeding loan. Either way, I would hope that you two have worked that one out by now, or at least are fully entangled in the legal proceedings required to do so.

I don't know any of the people involved in this personally. I've read many posts from each of them, have gotten advice from a few, but I wouldn't know any of them if they walked up and bit me. I was a member of RTB, am a member of RH, and am on numerous mailing lists that many of the involved are also on. These situations have been beaten to death. I'm not trying to de-rail anyone's cause. I just don't want this thread to turn into a convoluted mess involving 2 years' worth of history and multiple incidents of supposed wrongdoing.

Just my .02

 

[Darin Chappell]

Devin,

You have to admit that 26 posts in nine days kind of DOES discredit the idea that she is just too sick to be on the internet to clear this up, don't you? Perhaps there is another reason Lori has remained silent on this issue?

Lori, pay the man what you owe him in a way that he can accept.

 

[ReticEd]

Very well put, Terese!

Yes, please leave any more RTB/RH issues to other venues of discussion.

I have brought some up here, but I will not do it further.
It is, or was a collection type post, after all other means were attempted for a long time.

We have a settlement of sorts, which is what this post was intended to bring about.

Devin, you know where most of us RHers hang out, just pop in or on and have a convo, or post on it there, in chat, PMs or however you like.

 

[BWSmith]

It would be nice for her to join in here or at least log in and post "M.O. is on the way". I can understand her wanting to keep it a private matter. But now that it is public, i think it would show character to at least address some things here. I am sure that things have been said that she would disagree with. I am one that likes hearing both sides of a story.

However, I don't think the problems at RH have anything to do with this $37.50. There's no point in trying to establish credibility for either Lori or Eddie, because the debt is not in dispute.

You are correct. But for some reason, i feel that much of what was said is relevant in some way. Not sure how. I think that it IS safe to say that this thread has changed course. And I think that many people are forming opinions about Lori based on much of what was said. Again, I have my personal beliefs and feelings about Lori, but as with anything else on this forum. I urge people not to take what is said as more than what it is, opinions, experience and individual incidents. For all I know, she may have changed her ways and become honest and productive or may be ripping off hundreds of people. I have no idea. I am not defending her (obviously from former posts) or condemning her. I just wanted to throw out the idea that we are only hearing from basically one side. Remember there are two sides to every story. I try not to form definative opinions until I hear both. Unfortunately, the other side is silent. And it has gone beyond the orginal $37.50 to other issues. Perhaps there was no need for Lori to respond before except in the email to Eddie, when it was mearly about money owed. But now, the thread has deviated, right or wrong, relevant or not. What is said is said forever. So whether it is justified the path this thread has taken is, in my opinion, irrelevant. I think it is time for Lori to come and defend herself. Even if she knows she did wrong and agrees with everything said, even a "I made some mistakes" would do wonders. I truly hope she at least posts something. i don't like one sided debates. It leaves people very little to base an opinion on.

Just trying to look at everything from both sides.

 

[ms_terese]

I see your point, BW.

*sighs*

It just seems to me that rather than rehashing it all again, maybe we should just post links to the various other threads on the various other sites (as Seamus had already initiated) and let it all be read AGAIN by anyone who is interested. I don't think there is a single new piece of information about any of it that warrants a new thread, or a resurrection in this thread. However, anyone who wants a better glimpse of the actions of all the parties could get a cold 6-pack and a pizza, pop on over to that thread, and read for a couple of hours.

The aggravating part is that Eddie has already proclaimed it a separate issue (in Rachel's case anyway) but it was thrown in anyway.

The RH/RTB issues have already given headaches to THEIR members, and if that spills over to this board, there just won't be enough Advil available.... but maybe Eddie or Ritchie would direct everyone to relevant links over there as well?

I'm not trying to squash any fact finding missions for justice, I'm really not. I'd have the same opinion of any thread that started to veer towards the Tampa Break Ins or the JPuker drama. It's just that it's all been SAID before, multiple times.

 

[BWSmith]

By the same token, new info has also been raised by Ritchie. i was not aware of any of that.

The aggravating part is that Eddie has already proclaimed it a separate issue (in Rachel's case anyway) but it was thrown in anyway

Yep. you are correct. People will post what they want. Noone has any real control over that. And if this is destined to go down the current road, it will. I have no room to talk I am notorious saying "Let's stay on topic" then get off on a rant or reply to something off topic.

I think relevant links would be a good idea if they exist already. But i don't think that anymore threads need to be raised. That would strike me as more of an attack.

 

[HerpVenue]

I do not feel the need to be taking it to other sites when it is eventually a dead issue and noone really cares about it anymore

Lori took it from RH and mentioned it on RTB.com so I saw it as an open invitation to take things to the to other sites.

First of all, I talk to Lori rarely and when I do you can bet it's not about RH.

That is weird. Because I read the following link
http://www.reptilehaven.net/modules...Forum&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=11220
and it tells me you talk to Lori about RH more than you claim

All the admins and mods who resigned are back........
except for you and Lori.
Why is that?and why the quote "I have nothing left to say but the admins that cried power now has there way."
You sound bitter that power was taken away from Lori.
Is that why you resigned? Because your master is now gone?

Who was it that said something about puppet?

So how many admins and mods should I get to post here to show you that no one knew about Lori's WEEKS of resignation besides you? and you claim to talk to her rarely. Shoot. you talk to her so rarely that you knew she resigned weeks ago.
You talk to her so rarely that you knew the reason why.
you talk to her so rarely that you also knew she was sick.
you talk to her so rarely that you knew she sleeps 18 hours a day.

 

[BWSmith]

I don't see on that thread where Devin mentions Lori Maybe I just missed it. I do remember the Mod/Admin Chat Log, but that wasnot posted, nor was anything definative in there.

Not taking sides, but it seams that Devin has been brought into the crosshairs.

 

[WebSlave]

Seems this thread is drifting into an area that is not appropriate for the BOI. I do have a forum set up for discussion about other message boards and websites, so please feel free to carry on the remainder of the off topic discussion there.

The remainder of THIS thread should be about, and ONLY about, a financial issue between Eddie Nolen and Lori Kehoe.

 

[Darin Chappell]

I don't know all of the "in's and out's" about the other forum being discussed (and quite frankly, don't care to, either!), but I think there is a difference between being "brought into the crosshairs" and jumping in front of them! Devin appears to be applying for the role of Lori's own personal "human shield," and we all know how well that works!

 

[HerpVenue]

yes you are right webslave.


and BW you are right.
Devin is in the cross hairs because something is not adding up in my gut.

I am getting my gut feelings.....and you know how I get when I am trying to get to the bottom of things.