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Luc Cauthorn and Matt Cauthorn of Mckenzie_river_reptiles are bad buyers

The buyer was justified to be concerned of IBD, although consultation indicated that it was more likely that one snake clung to the other and unfortunately strangled it a bit.

IBD cells would be present if one snake strangled another snake, and as expected, the report did show IBD cells.

Despite live arrival and the other animals were healthy and continued to show proper health, the customer was provide an immediate cash refund for more than half the purchase despite the snake arrived alive.

The snake that caused the strangluation never showed any sign of IBD nor has any from the same litter and it has been months, so a disease can be ruled out. However, if it were indeed a true case of a disease, the buyer was well informed he would be compensation. But as is the case, it was not a disease, and it has been months, and the issue is closed.

Dan
 
E2MacPets said:
Why is this thread being allowed to continue? The other thread, which was started first, has not gone in Dan's favor so he posts effectively the same accusations here.
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I'm asking myself the same question! There seems to be a lot of "tit-for-tat" stuff going on around here lately!
 
Dan Scolaro said:
IBD cells would be present if one snake strangled another snake, and as expected, the report did show IBD cells.

Dan
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Dan

Can you explain a little more?
 
Dan Scolaro said:
The buyer was justified to be concerned of IBD, although consultation indicated that it was more likely that one snake clung to the other and unfortunately strangled it a bit.

IBD cells would be present if one snake strangled another snake, and as expected, the report did show IBD cells.

Despite live arrival and the other animals were healthy and continued to show proper health, the customer was provide an immediate cash refund for more than half the purchase despite the snake arrived alive.

The snake that caused the strangulation never showed any sign of IBD nor has any from the same litter and it has been months, so a disease can be ruled out. However, if it were indeed a true case of a disease, the buyer was well informed he would be compensation. But as is the case, it was not a disease, and it has been months, and the issue is closed.

Dan
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Dan, I'm kind of trying to figure out what you mean IE "strangled it a bit" If it died I would think it was more than a bit.

Also how does strangling cause IBD cells? and why would you expect a snake that was strangled to show inclusions??

Chuck, you need to get chicken little to post here, this is way to serious for he said she said. This person needs to post their side of the story and they best have documentation to back them up.. This has taken an ugly turn..Randy
 
critical bill said:
Question. I dont do much shipping of snakes anymore. Is it common practice to ship multiple snakes in the same bag?
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I've never received 2 snakes shipped in the same bag, Chuck.


Dan, you know, yesterday you could have solved everything for a lizard plus shipping. I don't think that is an option any more without a lot of explanation. Who is going to accept a shipment from you after a report of IBD? Perhaps, you should post the report.....
 
Strangled means the one snake clung onto the other apparently squeezing it tightly and almost demised it during shipping. And am not sure how their bodies adjust to produce such cells but it obviously did despite the one doing the choking and the others from that litter never showed any diseases.

Dan
 
Dan, I Seriously hope you have had your animals tested for IBD if in fact the buyer DID get a vet report that confirmed the presence of IBD. IBD dosnt just randomly appear because a snake killed another. it is a DEADLY disease that has destroyed MANY collections and is highly infectious * right word?*!

You dont SEE IBD until it is too late, and in boas * not sure about pythons* it can remain hidden for a decent amount of time. Ask ANYONE who has had this disease within their collection before, its not something you skirt around and make excuses for!

I am concerned for all the people who have gotten animals from you, and who they do business with too, unknowingly possibly passing this on to others! this is NOT some stupid joke! this is peoples livelihoods and lifetime long commitments/collections.....
 
Oh and for the sake of this discussion...
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/171413.htm
Inclusion Body Disease (IBD) of Boid Snakes:
Boa constrictors and several species of pythons are most commonly affected by IBD. Boas are considered to be the normal host for this retrovirus because so many (up to 50% of those tested) are infected and they can harbor the virus for years without symptoms. Early symptoms, possibly precipitated by any factor causing immune suppression, include a history of unthriftiness, anorexia, weight loss, secondary bacterial infections, poor wound healing, dermal necrosis, and regurgitation. In essence, IBD should be considered in every sick boa. Typical findings in the acute phase of the disease include leukocytosis and a normal chemistry panel. As the disease progresses, white cell counts tend to decline to subnormal levels. Blood chemistry results are variable depending on how debilitated and dehydrated the boa becomes, but organ damage may appear. As the disease becomes chronic, some boas will exhibit neurologic symptoms ranging from mild facial tics and abnormal tongue flicking to failure of the snake to right itself when placed in dorsal recumbency and severe seizures.
Pythons are thought to be an abnormal host to the IBD retrovirus because the course of disease is more acute and neurologic symptoms more profound. In most pythons the acute symptoms that boas exhibit will be missed, and they will be presented with severe neurologic disease. While the active disease can linger for months or more in boas, most pythons die within days or weeks of the onset of clinical signs.
Exposure to this retrovirus appears to be due to a transfer of body fluids. Breeding, fight wounds, and fecal/oral contamination are common ways of transfer. Casual handling of an infected specimen and then a normal specimen does not appear to create enough viral exposure to cause infection. However, any immunocompromised reptile may be susceptible under the right circumstances. The snake mite is assumed to be responsible for the spread of the virus in large, well-maintained collections.
A tentative diagnosis is based on the history and clinical signs. Blood work will vary depending on the stage of the disease, but few diseases in snakes will cause such elevated white cell counts in the early stages. On blood smears, inclusion bodies are frequently found in the cytoplasm of leukocytes. One strain (3 strains have been isolated) of the virus frequently produces inclusion bodies in the cytoplasm of erythrocytes. The inclusion bodies are highly suggestive, but not 100% reliable. A definitive diagnosis is obtained via biopsy of internal tissues in which the characteristic inclusion bodies are found, eg, the liver, kidney, esophageal tonsils, and stomach. An ELISA is being developed.
IBD is not curable, and many clients may choose euthanasia. However, individuals may elect to isolate their snakes and treat with supportive and palliative measures. It is essential to educate clients not to sell infected specimens or their offspring, as this has caused the disease to spread worldwide.
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ravensgait said:
Chuck, you need to get chicken little to post here, this is way to serious for he said she said. This person needs to post their side of the story and they best have documentation to back them up.. This has taken an ugly turn..Randy
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Dude, I don't know why the guy hasn't posted here already and especially about something so serious. He is a member here in good standing. And honestly, I wouldn't have taken a 50 point whack like I just did from Webslave if it didn't have all the documentation to satisfy me. I wouldn't have posted about it all if it was just words in an email.

In any event, Dan has confirmed what I posted to be true about the customer and the case of IBD. I think Dan can name the customer if he'd like to and even PM him to come share his side of the story. I think Dan is even privy to the same photos and necropsy report, so he can post that just as easy for everyone to see if as he says its not doing him any harm.
 
I copied/pasted Dan's comment (about the IBD being caused by strangulation) in Luc's thread about Dan. Since this thread, theoretically, isn't about Dan...how about moving some of the conversation back over there?
 
let's talkover there

:iagree: with rrmonroe.

Dan it seems that I am not the bad buyer, but you are an awful seller!

Dan you lie about pink tongues not eating pinkies!

Anyways I was Pinky Pumped it only twice with a small amount! 1-2 tiny pinkies, the second time only half because that is all it could hold down!

So don't start telling me that I killed another one of your sick animals that you piled on some guy that didn't know of your reputition!
 
Luc, drop it. In my mind you contributed to the death of that skink. Pinkies are completely inappropriate as food for a malnourished pink tongue skink, if we are acting under that pretense.

Dan dropped the ball on shipping, as apparently he has a history of doing (packing snakes together so that they could harm eachother). That is the primary reason that I would consider him liable. If he was to take the high ground, I do believe he should replace or refund the skink.

You two need to work this out, but right now we have a much bigger issue regarding Dan and IBD.
 
E2MacPets said:
Luc, drop it. In my mind you contributed to the death of that skink. Pinkies are completely inappropriate as food for a malnourished pink tongue skink, if we are acting under that pretense.

Dan dropped the ball on shipping, as apparently he has a history of doing (packing snakes together so that they could harm eachother). That is the primary reason that I would consider him liable. If he was to take the high ground, I do believe he should replace or refund the skink.

You two need to work this out, but right now we have a much bigger issue regarding Dan and IBD.
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Agreed. Save it for a rainy day Luc.
 
E2M: Wrong again on the shipping as the pet shop repacked the stuff. Neat virus information though. Proves the snake did not have any diseases to transmit. Thanks but I knew it anyway.

Chuck: Nothing you can do or say make your sociopath condition better.

Luc: Yea, you are still a bad buyer.

Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Chuck: Nothing you can do or say make your sociopath condition better.
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Perhaps, but nothing you can do or say is going to make this issue of you selling animals with IBD go away. :)

I can find a pill to fix me but you my freind are :censored:!!!
 
What else do you want me to say?

The snake squeezed the other snake and that was all. Those ill directed comments by the other idiots are fooling no one. There was no disease transmitted or disease in the first place, so what is your problem?

Oh, I see, you want me to retract the statement that you're a sociopath. Ok, your not a sociopath although everyone else says you are.

Dan
 
Thank you everyone for making this forum such a good engine! Thanks for putting your tiime and effort in this. I hope all is resolved. Dan If I hurt your feelings, then I am sorry, things get heated. Peace to you man.


Wow Dan! forget talking about my skinks!!! This issue is way more improtant(IBD).

The last thhing I have to say is this: Dan I will send back the skinks for $675.00 +shipping....Do you agree? Peace to you and your family. I hope you get your reptile problems (IBD) figuered out.

The OP Luc Cauthorn
 
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