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m.whitefeather- bad guy

okay, now I've gone and done it....

Just got an email from Mr. Whitefeather indian wanna be guy. He asked me very nicely to come to Daytona, walk up to his table, and call him that to his face. I do believe the suggestion was that he wishes to hurt me. He did not address my solution to the problem, but I do believe I have hurt his feelings. I am now sad. I don't want to make anyone unhappy. However, I will more then gladly do as he wishes, and anyone that knows me at all knows that I will. I can hear the tables crashing, and Wayne yelling out my name in dispair already. (just kidding Wayne, I will not trash your pretty show, I promise). Hey Mike, why not just do the right thing, and as I said in my email response to you, change your name again, start over, and be done with it all. Or, I will see you in Daytona pal. Whatever you want. By the way, just wondering....you have time to email and threaten me (very entertaining), but you can't post here and tell us what you are going to do about the animals or money you owe? And to Rich, hey man, you said you wanted me to use your site more then I have, well, here ya go, this is all your fault old friend. :D

Love you all
Ken Foose
 
another cyber punch...

Well, just got another threatening email. He did not like the idea of crashing tables, so now I have to take it outside. He is tired of my threats. Keep in mind, I have never threatened him at all, it's all in his mind. I have of course kept copies of all the email to and and from, so I'm pretty safe I think. He claims that he will be working for Freedom Breeders at Daytona. I wonder if they are aware of this thread, and if they know that a potential employee is threatening to do physical harm to what could be a potenital customer? I was thinking of spending a few grand on some freedom breeder racks, but now I'm just too damn scared to go to thier booth for fear of being beaten to death by an angry indian wanna be. I will just spend the money somewhere else instead I guess. Anyway, that's it for now. Paul, you are not getting your money, or animals. Might as well file now, end this whole thread, it's of no use anymore. He has ripped you off, period. Let the courts do the work for you now. Good luck.

Ken Foose
 
I haven't posted for awhile, just been reading, but a couple of things are VERY clear.


Whitefeather is just ignoring the thread, most likely in the hope it will go away.

Solution... Everybody here who knows of his business interests and potential partners should contact them and forward them a link here. That will have an effect no doubt. This thread has a huge number of views...........


Andy, whatever was worked out between Michael and Bob still hasn't been finished after all these years, that's not much of a solution. Also Michael should be posting that "come to my table and work things out" , not you.

You keep in touch Michael, you should have him post. He has clearly asked that Paul post his address and he'll refund him, Michael hasn't done that and there is no way of defending Michael in regards to that.




Paul, take it to court. Both civil and criminal.

Look through public records ,or have someone with that knowldge, to locate Michael's Parole officer and forward them a copy of any cases you have filed.

There's no point in trying to get michael to contact you anymore Paul. Just file the fraud charges and take a copy of this entire thread with you as well as any other paperwork and E-mails you have. Don't do business on the phone, if a sale is being done on the internet then the whole transaction should be on the internet as well.


This thread, as well as Michael's business Reputation , is over until the next victim comes to the BOI with a post. Hopefully this thread will continue to get the sheer number of views it has.

Ralph Chapman
 
Ken,

Telling us about a threatening E-mail is one thing, you should really post them since his character is part of this thread and somebody actually suggested people just go to his table and confront him at the public shows.

Andy,

If anyone is "hiding behind a keyboard" that's Michael. He's picking who he will and won't respond to.


Forgot to add that into the other post.....




Ralph Chapman
 
Andy,
Please stop trying to make excuses for Whitefeather...he has made enough of his own. There is little doubt in anyone's mind that he has ripped Paul off. He is obviously reading this thread, but refusing to post to it. He also has not attempted to resolve this issue with Paul directly in any way. In fact, Paul has sent him a few emails trying to find a way to resolve the situation and Whitefeather has responded to him with threats and replied to one of Paul's emails with a two word respnse "piss off."

These are not the actions of a respectable person, let alone a respectable businessman. These are the actions of a criminal.
 
Dr. Owens,

It would seem that convincing Andy of his misplaced loyalties might be just as daunting a task as convincing Mr. Whitefeather to respond to Paul's request for a refund. I don't think further attempts at either will be fruitful, regardless of whatever further information may or may not come to light.

Further, I don't believe I'll be wasting anymore time on this thread. Whitefeather is a scammer, and Andy simply will not see him for what he is. He's made his mind up, and so have I. So have a lot of people!

:unhappy:
 
Subj: boi
Date: 6/8/2003 7:58:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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hey ken, i have an idea for you. come to daytona and call me a indian wanna be man to my face. its easy to run off at the mouth on the computer isn't ? so if you can't be a man and confront me in person, maybe you should refrain your fingers from typing insults. michael whitefeather
Subj: Re: boi
Date: 6/8/2003 8:45:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: ExoticPets LV
To: [email protected]



Hi Mike. Let me get this straight. You want me to come to Daytona, tell you to your face that you are not an indian, and then attempt to pick a fight with me? Is this what I'm reading? Man, you are just living on the edge, huh? First of all, fighting you is the last thing I have in mind when I do come to Daytona, which, by the way, I will be there. Second, why don't you just do what I suggested, and ship the guy his snakes for goodness sake? Or, are you really the crook that everyone says you are? I don't know you personaly, nor do I want to know you. I was just trying to help out. Now, on the other hand, is Whitefeather really your name? I somehow doubt that. But I will tell you what. If you really, really want to be an ass about it, then, by golly, you are on. I will come to your booth, if Wayne allows you to even have one ( I might just have to talk to him about that, we go a ways back), and I will say anything you want me to say to your face. I understand you are a big bad ex-con. OH MY!! I'm not impressed. However, if that's what you want, you can TRY to take me down, good luck to you fella. Why don't you just grow up, take care of business, and be done with it. Then you can change your name again and start over. I have found that I make a lot more money being a good guy then I could ever being a bad guy. So, there you go. Do what ever you want, be a fool if that is your choice. Take care, good luck to you, and...hey, I'll see you in Daytona white man. KenSubj:
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since you seem so tough and want to crash tables i will make it easy. i will not have a table set up( boo hoo ) i will be working for the guys from freedom breeder. just come up say hi and since you seem to want to play we can kindly take it outside. then we can see if you have what it takes to back up your threats. i have tried to be as civil as possible about this whole thing but it seems that some people have nothing better to do than keep #### going. i did not have to refund todds deposit but i did. not once but twice. i was willing to work things out with paul even after he started this thread. he could not even be honest enough to admit he chose to pick animals up instead of shipping them. but i guess you missed that page. brian oakley tried to stir things up, andy corrected him on everything. but yet he had emails and taped phone conversations. everyone overlooked that. paul emails me saying he will take 2 albinos or a genetic stripe and an albino. do the math i am not just giving stuff away. then my criminal record gets brought into this. then i bring up bobs little slim deals, no one can prove me wrong but they do not even bring that up do they. and now you want to call names. come call these names to my face at daytona. it is pretty easy to see that i don't really have nothing else to lose so f*** it let go and play.
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Date: 6/8/2003 11:53:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: ExoticPets LV
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Know what, you are just a moron. When did I ever threaten you boy? You are the one that implied violence, not me. I have no desire to ever even meet you dumb ass. You are obviously a childish little bully, that thinks that fighting will solve anything. I have nothing to prove to you kid, and if you are so offended by me calling you an indian wanna be, then you must still have a lot of growing up to do. I don't care how old you are, you still need to grow up sonny. By the way, are you a native American? If so, then I might understand you being slightly peeved, but to actually challange me to a physical conflict over something as lame as that shows what an idiot you really are. I'll be in Daytona, and I'll tell you what you can do, page me. Or, walk into the bar at the Adams Mark, I'm pretty well known, most people there will know where I'm at. I tend to sit with Bob Clark on little outings like this, he and I go way back also. In fact, I go way back with a lot of people. Hell, you can even sit and have a drink with us if you have the guts. Then, if you are still set on getting it on, fine with me. Now, why don't you post on the boi like a good boy, and leave me alone, I'm sure we both have better things to do then to threaten each other over a computer. Keep in mind, I have never threatened you, by the way. So, once again, grow up little boy, or I might have to tell your mommy you are not playing nice with others. KenSubj: Re:
Date: 6/9/2003 5:24:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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hey ken run your mouth at daytona, if you hang with bob you must be a scum like him.f*** yes i pissed about you calling me a wannabe indian. bad enough i still get slack from my family for chosing to go by my natural fathers last name but thats my choice. i could care less who you know, i could throw names around to, stan chiras al baldogo, nerd, freedom breeder etc. so your little threats mean nothing to me. and as for me finishing by deal with paul, dont worry about it. it has nothing to do with you. so continue to play games and name call thats fine we will see if you do so face to face. and i never said being an ex con had any bearing on anything so leave my past out of it. make sure you can play at daytona as i will be looking forward to it. i was taught to respect elders but with being bobs buddy earns you the respect you give the piece of sh** on the bottom of a shoe to start with. make sure you mouth is as brave as your fingers are. michael
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Anyway, that's the jist of it all. There is more, but my replies are now reduced to one or two words. I bore easily. Sorry for all this, I will once again stay in the shadows and lurk.

Ken Foose
 
Darin,
I understand your point. The only reason that I have taken an interest in Andy on this thread is because I have known him for a long time on the BC forum and I have also met him in person. I have always known him to be a really good guy (and I still feel this way about him) but I'm just confused as to why he has continued in the manner that he has. To people who aren't aware of this, it might seem strange that I keep addressing him in the manner that I do, but I am actually addressing a friend over a matter that leaves me confused.
 
All I have to add to this is that I agree with Jay that Andy is a really good guy. This thread shows nothing about his character other than the fact that he's loyal to his friends. Sometimes you can just be too close to a situation to see it clearly.
 
Ken, regardless of this situation and this thread, I would like to know why in all these posts that you have made you feel that you need to attack Mike's racial background. How is it relavant? What business of yours is it if he is an Indian or not? Do you know that he is not? I tell you, with the current climate of the world today, if you talked that way to many other ethnic groups, they would be ruining your life with lawsuits and ethnic intimidation charges. Why don't you show some repspect and if you can't argue a position without bringing somebodies race into play, keep your mouth shut. Evan Stahl
 
Evan...

First and formost, let me say that I have never slammed anyones race, religion, or beliefs. I never tried nor did I insult anyones race, period. I have read almost every line of this thread. I was given the impression that this fellow is using many names in his business dealing. I was led to believe that Whitefeather was just another of these made up names. I'm not going to go back to find all the other names he has used that are posted here, but I read it, so did you. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry if it seemed I insulted anyone. I don't think I did. Even in my return email to him, I was civil, and even told him that if he really is a native American, I would not blame him for being peeved at my comments. However, I don't think he is a native American, and many of my native American friends would be insulted that such a person is claiming to be one. Most of the comments towards him about being a white boy were in jest. I see that people like yourself might have taken it the wrong way. I was mearly trying to help out, and throw in some humor at the same time. Sorry if anyone has been insulted, it was not my goal (well, I guess I did go out of my way to insult Whitefeather). I still don't believe he is a native American, they have a lot more class then this guy is showing. So Evan, slam me if you want, I guess that's what I get for posting here. But hey, I still like you, so there! Hey, I'm part native American too (well, at least they tell me that my grandpa was a horse thief, does that count?)((that was not an insult to Indians, if you're wondering)).

Thanks,
Ken Foose
 
Ken, I was not slamming you. I don't know you so I took your comments at face value. I understood that you may or may not have meant them to be derrogotory, but I feel my point is valid. There is no need for the "Indian wannabee" stuff. Comment on somebodies business practices, ethics, product quality, or other relevant factors to this thread and this board and I take no issue. I really don't care if anyone is a biggot or a racist. Freedom of speech is your right under the constitution and I am 100% for it. I just think this is a place where you should stick to the facts and to business. Evan Stahl
 
Ken the e mails from old Mikeie boy are a good comic relief. Coming from a coward like him who has to use a weapon in a fight is down right a laughing riot!! If it was me he sent those empty threats to I would have gotten on Flexjet and made a nice little visit to his home.

I guess there are no further developments in this as a way of a refund, which doesn't shock me at all. All I can say is take good old Mike to court, seems like he is use to that by now.

Andy how much money does old Mike here owe you? This is the only reason I could see why you would stand by such a low life at all. Just make sure he pays up before he gets sent away for 10 years as a repeat offender... Which reminds me how is good old Mike here going to make any of these shows from a Correctional Facility? Looks like he won't be keeping those promises either...
 
Looks like old Mikey here has a bit of a temper... Tell you what coward Mikey, this just speaks volumes of how chicken you really are. At least you could post here and try in vain to defend yourself But we all know that just isn't in your future. Let me look in my old trusty crystal ball and see what your future is.... Looks like a long sentence in a Correctional institution, cause all I see in your future is bars...



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instead of running your mouth like a little bitch hiding from your computer, why not put your money where your mouth is and come pay me a visit. i doubt you will as your a little punk. and if you recieved a pardon from the gov like you said you would not of had to pay restitution. also where is the court files on bob? to scared to post them. if your such a bad ass biker like to you claim come and we will see how bad you are. come show me how much of a coward i am. be pauls hero and come try to take his snakes or money tough guy. i will be waiting but i am sure you would rather talk tough from your computer instead of face to face like the true coward you are. michael
 
Show me a guy posting on a computer.

I will show you a guy who is all off a sudden 6 foot five weighing 350 pounds and has black belts in at least three different fighting styles.

So Mikey. have you paid the money to ALL the people you owe?
 
Again, Michael proves his character. He also even stated "Paul's snakes and money". What a thief in my opinion!


Hey Doc? When was he supposed to go in for his hearing and if it already happened what was the results?
 
Ritchie Luna said:
Show me a guy posting on a computer.

I will show you a guy who is all off a sudden 6 foot five weighing 350 pounds and has black belts in at least three different fighting styles.

So Mikey. have you paid the money to ALL the people you owe?
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Folks are always talk a good game when they have a backspace key to hide behind. Personally though, such threats bore me.

Edited to add: This reply was directed at no one in particular, but rather, at a specific type of behavior.
 
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Ken Harbart said:
Folks are always talk a good game when they have a backspace key to hide behind. Personally though, such threats bore me.
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Same here Ken, but i must admit I was stoked about recieving my first bonafied threatning hateful e mail..... I brightened my day so much to know Mikey thinks so highly of me...:D
 
Hey Brian, you are not planning on going to Daytona are you? If so, perhaps you and I can pay Mike a visit. Or hell, better yet, you just go as me and take him out for us, and I will have a cold one waiting in the bar for you. In fact, perhaps we can just get Bob Clark to buy us a few rounds if we do it right. (this is a joke in case anyone is wondering, I advocate no violence to anyone for any reason. But it's still the thought that counts).

Ken Foose
 
Ken Foose said:
Hey Brian, you are not planning on going to Daytona are you? If so, perhaps you and I can pay Mike a visit. Or hell, better yet, you just go as me and take him out for us, and I will have a cold one waiting in the bar for you. In fact, perhaps we can just get Bob Clark to buy us a few rounds if we do it right. (this is a joke in case anyone is wondering, I advocate no violence to anyone for any reason. But it's still the thought that counts).

Ken Foose
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Can I come too? :D
 
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