In the middle of February I engaged in a trade deal with Mandy Parrish (who also goes by Mandy Frye). She posted up here on FaunaClassifieds in the trades forum offering the following "Topic: 7-8ft female red tail for trade". Here's the content of her post (whoops!! The content of her post must have been deleted only the subject/header is there). In a nutshell she advertised a TAME, Healthy, 7-8 foot normal columbian red-tail, FEMALE. I was offering her 2 young leucistic rat snakes and a rubber boa. Without getting into all the details (see below for a complete transcript of all our email exchanges) I shipped her my animals (regardless of the whole who ships first issue it's irrelevant in the case) everything was cool. She was very happy. I (actually my wife was home and accepted the animal) received the boa and my wife put the bag in the cage unknotted the knot, and was attempting to open the bag a little to see her and let her out. Well the next thing she knew the boa tagged her (pretty bad, borderline a couple of stitches). To my wife's DISGUST she noticed that the boa was COMPLETELY INFESTED WITH MITES. Not like one or two or even ten or twenty. But 100's. In her eyes, in every orafice, etc. We treated her for the mites and they are 100% gone (though, my wife and I made our own newbie mistake and put her (when she first arrived and not knowing about the mites) in the cage (in the bag)near one of our 8 foot boas and she ended up with mites also, all animals are mite free now. Phewww!<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='
'>. Now remember, she advertised that the boa is TAME. Now before anyone starts nailing me to the post, I do understand that animals get very stressed out and have more of a tendancy to hiss, bite, etc. BUT, almost a month later, if I go to clean the cage, feed her, etc. (NOT EVERYTIME BUT WAY MORE THAN A "TAME" ANIMAL SHOULD, my other 8+ foot boa is "TAME". I can go in her cage move her around, handle her, etc. Not a peep or sign of aggression.) she hisses and strikes once or twice before I can secure her safely in a temporary cage. Again this isn't a big deal BUT IT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADVERTISED. Lastly, she advertised a 7-8 foot boa. The animal I received is about 6 feet. AGAIN, NOT WHAT SHE ADVERTISED. Oh yeah, and stupid me, again, I even gave her $20 dollars (not her request just because I am a nice guy and don't mind splitting the shipping cost)towards shipping since it cost about double what my costs were (RED FACE).
I have to add it's pretty embarrassing owning up to my newbie mistakes here on the forum in a public arena, but how else will I learn but to make the mistakes own up to them honestly and move on.
I will end with this. I sent this as part of an email exchange with Rachel Rodgers and I stand by my statement. Here it is:
P.S. Even though all this really rattles my cage there is one thing I know that Mandy or anyone can't ever take from me. I may be a newbie (herping for about 2 years) but I know how to take care of my animals (i.e. husbandry,handling, etc.) and can see when other people aren't taking care of their animals. Plus, I am a VERY honest, caring, loving, considerate, and up front person. In addition, I can admit my mistakes, errors, short comings, as well as learn from them. I will leave it at that.
Please see below for all the email messages Mandy and I exchanged. Also note, the messages start at the very bottom in chronological order moving upward.
Thanks for listening.
Joshua Ingram
[email protected]
****EMAIL EXCHANGE****
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Please!!!!! Don't talk to me about being lied to. You did plenty of that already!!! Your last email said that you didn't know she had mites otherwise you would never have gone through with the deal. Well, I have to tell you she was SO INFESTED with mites that the only way she could have gotten that was was to have had them for AWHILE, YOU HAD TO HAVE KNOWN!!!! She was such a beloved pet that you allowed that to happen, right? Mandy, one other thing. Don't continue to email me your bull#### okay. I now know that this animal was most likely a rescue. Take the CAPTIVE BORN AND HEALTHY animals I gave you and keep your ####ing trap shut. Or, tell me, will I see my animals on your site one day (http://www.angelfire.com/super/unwantedpets/Frontpage.html)?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: boa
I traded you my snake with the knowledge that you were going to keep her and breed her..If I had known that you were just going to turn around and trade her away I would never have let you have her. She was our pet and was very much loved. We did not want to part with her but felt it would be better for her to be with someone that needed her for breeding or such.
I feel that I have been lied to and, have doomed our pet to be traded over and over again through many homes. She deserves better than that.....
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:54:17 -0500
Mandy,
I did not ever receive you last email. I sent you the email after I received the boa and, to my knowledge, never heard back from you.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
I just wanted to see if you ever got my last email since I never heard anything from you....
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>3<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
You should at least have the integrity to reply to me. I was just disappointed not so much angry though at the time i was. I still wish you the best, good luck with the new ones.
Josh
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Mandy,
The boa arrived this morning. I have to say that I am pretty angry, disappointed, and/or confused!!!!!!!!!!!! To start you advertised that she was 7 - 8 feet long. In actuality she is 6 feet bordering 7 feet. Big difference when you want to potentially breed. BUT, the biggest issue is that she came FULL OF MITES. This is unacceptable!! In all our conversations you NEVER mentioned she had mites. You only commented that she was healthy and eating. I would find it difficult you would miss the fact that she had mites. Especially since she was COVERED with them. Plus, not telling me about this jeopardized all my other animals. Most of my other animals are high-end very expensive animals and would be disasterous if they would (or could have) have mites, I will/might have to isolate all of them. In addition I have three cats that could be comprised. Not to mention my wife and me.
I have been nothing but COMPLETELY HONEST with you about EVERYTHING (i.e. not eating, etc.). Plus, I was trying to be nice and I sent you $20 towards the shipping cost since it was double what I had to pay. Now I will have to purchase medication to rid her of the mites. Plus, you never mentioned the lesion on her nose and underbelly. I understand this animal came from someone to you BUT, all this information would have been VERY HELPFUL upfront. I am a very honest person and believe in full disclosure, especially with dealing with any animals.
Also, you mentioned that she was/is tame. She lashed out and bit my wife upon putting the bag (with her in it) in her cage. Basically she put her in and opened the top of the bag. As she was pulling her hand away she bit her. It was a pretty nasty bite also. Granted, this can totally be from the shipping. It's not unusual for a snake to exhibit this type of behavior after shipping. BUT, you have to understand. I feel I have not been told the truth about other details and I am now questioning whether her tameness is true.
Lastly, I sent you three perfect animals, in perfect condition expecting the same from you. To me at this point it doesn't seem what you advertised and commented on in our emails is what I actually received. Though, and I'm sure you agree, that you received exactly what you expected BASED ON THE FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL INFORMATION I PROVIDED.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Hi Josh
Was just getting ready to email you that number. Husband said to tell you thanks. He was working at Lowes garden center. The new job is working for the water company the next town over. Not as far to drive...ten times better pay. This way he can start what he wants to do...open his own greenhouse. It has been in the works for quite a while..so now is plans are falling into place it seems. *crossing fingers*
Here is the tracking number for the big girl.
EF160072197US
They said she should be to you by about 10<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am tomorrow. Now it is my turn to be nervous! I do hope you like her as much as we did. Husband and I both gave her a pat goodbye. We will miss her very much.
Mandy
These little guys sure make up for her being gone though! They are SO cute!
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Congrats!!!!!! To your husband (If you don't mind me asking, what does he do for a living?). That's great!!!!! Have great time! I will look for the tracking number this evening.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Just wanted to let you know my husband is finishing packing her up and we are on our way to send her. We are going to be gone today...celebrating..husband got the new job he was hoping to get so I will send the tracking number later today...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:35<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
Okay, I will be online for at least another 30 minutes.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
I was really glad to see the female eat...if you are still online hang on a second. I am going to take a pic of the rats she has been eating so you will know on size...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:24:25 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Great!!!!! I'm so glad they all are eating. Especially after traveling. What have you been feeding the boa? I have about 12 medium rats ready to go at anytime. Plus, I am planning on purchasing large and/or jumbo's very soon. My existing large female boa at her last two last week. I will probably go purchase a dozen or two to have on hand. I am also purchasing a small freezer within the month. It's funny, the pinkies, fuzzys, even adult mice are okay in the freezer and don't take up that much space. Now with the medium, large, and jumbo rats it's a little too much. Plus, my wife will be thrilled when I walk in the door with a new freezer, LOL.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Thanks for the great info Josh...just wanted to let you know I went ahead and tryed them eating today..all three! took down one pinkie. Yes even the female! Male took it right out of my hand..female ate right after I closed the lid on the feeding tub....wubbie waited until I was not looking..lol
I am going to try the boa again today..see if she is interested..won't push her though since she will be traveling on Tuesday...just hate for her to leave on an empty stomach. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
CC: "Joshua L. Ingram"
Subject: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 03:14:30 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Sorry for the delay. Things got really busy here. Here's when they ate last, as well as, their feeding and shed history below.
Female Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Frankie) - 2/23/2002
Male Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Johnny ) - 2/21/2002
Rubber Boa (a.k.a Wubbie) - 2/21/2002
Also, Frankie last shed on 1/15/2002. She's due for another very soon. If you remember I had mentioned when we first discussed the trade that she hadn't eaten for two or three weeks which was leading up to when she "should" have shed. Plus, now, with the transport (i.e. stress) I'm not sure how it will manifest (i.e. sometimes they have a stress shed which in this case could be her normal shed).
I hope you all are doing well.
I will talk to you soon.
Josh
___
PL = Pinkie Large | PM = Pinkie Medium | PS = Pinkie Small
Female Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Frankie)
FEEDING HISTORY
12/7/2001 1 PL
12/10/2001 1 PL
12/13/2001 1 PL
12/17/2001 1 PL
12/20/2001 1 PL
12/24/2001 1 PL
12/27/2001 1 PL
12/31/2001 1 PL
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 2 PL
1/16/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 1 PL
1/28/2002 1 PL
2/18/2002 2 PS
2/23/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/15/2002
Male Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Johnny )
FEEDING HISTORY
12/7/2001 1 PL
12/10/2001 1 PL
12/13/2001 1 PL
12/17/2001 1 PL
12/20/2001 1 PL
12/24/2001 1 PL
12/27/2001 1 PL
12/31/2001 1 PL
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 2 PL
1/10/2002 2 PL
1/14/2002 2 PL
1/17/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 2 PL
1/24/2002 2 PL
1/28/2002 2 PL
2/11/2002 2 PL
2/14/2001 2 PL
2/18/2002 1 PL
2/21/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/3/2002
2/8/2002
Rubber Boa (a.k.a Wubbie)
FEEDING HISTORY
12/19/2001 1 PM
12/24/2001 1 PM
12/27/2001 1 PM
12/31/2001 1 PM
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 1 PL
1/10/2002 1 PL
1/14/2002 2 PL
1/17/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 1 PL
1/24/2002 1 PL
1/28/2001 1 PL
2/4/2002 1 PL
2/11/2002 1 PL
2/14/2002 1 PL
2/21/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/10/2002
2/13/2002
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hey Josh..
If you get a second could you send me the eating info for them..that way I will know when they need dinner...
My order of pinkies arrived from rodent pro the day before they did. I did not have anything small enough for pinkies until these guys. So they have an order of pinkies all for them! lol
Thanks
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:39:15 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Phewww!!!! I'm so happy that they arrived alive, warm, active, and well. I feel so much relief having one successful shipping under my belt. Especially with the weather being the way it is/was.
I meant to send their eating/shedding info yesterday but forgot. I am at work now but when I arrive home this evening I will email you what they have been eating, as well as, when they shed from when I got them up until the last time I fed them.
No problem on the shipping $$$.
Excellent, I can't wait for Wednesday!!!
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Just wanted to let you know that everyone is here safe and sound and are settling into their new homes. They are some great snakes! This is my first rubber boa in person. Very cool!
They were warm and toasty and very active when I opened them. You did a great job packing them. I am going to let them get settled in and then I will get to know them better.
All is set to send the big girl on Tuesday. Just let me know if anything changes on your end for that day. I will be happy to send her whenever you need. Thank you for the money towards her shipping costs!
Thanks again!
Mandy
PS when was the last day these guys ate? I think you told me but I can't remember..that way I can keep them on about the same schedule.
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Mandy,
Sounds good. How's the weather there? The heat packs I put in there are good for 40 hours. I opened them at about 7:30 am Wednesday morning. They should be okay though. Especially if they are in a building waiting to be shipped from warehouse to delivery point.
Yes, definitely let me know if you receive any further information. I will also let you know if anything changes with regard to Tuesday.
Talk to you later,
Josh
P.S. Does the shipping process/thing get easier as you do it more. This being my first time, I have found it pretty nerve racking with regard to me being anal about tracking and making sure all the details are in order (containers, heat packs, shipping materials in general, etc.). I worry so much about the animals and that they arrive alive and well. They are such innocent creatures and we (herpers) put them in these situations (with all love, care, and good intentions) and I would hate to know that something I did added to their demise.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Josh,
Our mail has already come for today. I went and checked about 10<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am this morning and they were not there. I was just getting ready to email you when I got your message..Bloomington is about 25 miles from here. I am not sure if they will come today or not since our mail truck has already come. I am going to go down and ask though. They may still bring it since it is express. If not they will be here first thing in the morning. I will keep you updated....
Tuesday will be fine sending the boa. Just let me know if anything changes.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:29:45 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Just checked the tracking. Here's the latest.
Your item has arrived at the BLOOMINGTON, IN 47404 processing center at 10:13 am on February 28, 2002. Status is updated every evening. Please check again later.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
I have sent like two or three emails today??
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:39:14 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Everything okay? Haven't heard back from you.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Ya no problem picking them up....let me explain will make it easier <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>...we live in a very tiny town only about oh 20-25 houses. We don't have anything here except a small postal building where our mail comes to. There is one person that works there...That is where your guys will arrive. I can walk there if I have to. Can see the building from my house. But to send anything we have to go to the next town over about 10 miles away through the country. Our building does not have outgoing mail. Pretty weird and a big pain in the tush! *smiles* One of the only bad things about moving here...
So yes I will pick them up the moment they arrive..will check the tracking number so I know right when they get there.
The only thing is I have to try and get the 10 miles in the morning to get boa girl on her way...and it is still coming down like a blizzard outside..BUURRR! I keep getting this urge to put on a christmas cd! Anyway....I will let you know if I am ! able to make it out ...Can't tell you much until I see how things look in the morning..
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:58<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
Mandy,
Will you be able to get out to accept the animals? Do you think it would be better to wait? The reason being is that I was going to ship them out to you early tomorrow morning (8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 am EST). I'm not so worried about the cold (while in transit) but rather sitting in the cold post office for a prolonged amount of time. I will be putting in a 40 hour heat pack.
Let me know.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Ok just wanted to send you an update..it's 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0pm here. We have had a TON of snow come down here this afternoon and evening. I am going to do my best to get out to the post office in the morning with her. They said they are supposed to have our roads partly cleared by early morning. (we live out in the country) So I should be able to make it. I will let you know what happens as I do it..so you will know how everything stands..
Here is my address again to confirm...
Mandy Parrish
PO Box 16
Freedom IN 47431
I will be shipping USPS overnight as well..I will send the tracking number as soon as I get back..
Thanks!
Mandy
From: "Joshua Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Sounds good. Yes I have your address but if you could re-send it to my to confirm that would be great. Also, do you think one heat pack will suffice? It's a 40 hour heat pack.
My Address is (just to confirm):
Joshua Ingram
XX-XX Queens Blvd, Apt G21
Woodside, NY 11377
I will be shipping via USPS overnight priority.
Talk to you later,
Josh
P.S. Once I have the tracking number (Wednesday morning) I will email it to you. Can you do the same?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Josh,
Should be ok on this end. I checked for here. Highs in mid to upper 20's and lows down to 10 for those two days...we were supposed to get a ton of snow, but so far only a little...so may not be as bad as what they were calling for..
Don't think it will be a problem..she should not be in tran. to long...I am going to replan some of her packing to account for the colder weather...
We are all set I think.. you have my address right? and I have yours?
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Yes, everything looks good. My delivery of deli containers and heat packs are arriving tomorrow. Snow near you doesn't make a difference for me. I checked www.weatherchannel.com and Wednesday and Thursday here have a high of 46 and low of 26. No rain or snow though. What about on your end? Do you feel the snow impact the shipping (i.e. timing, etc.)?
I'm a go for shipping if you are.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hello,
Just wanted to touch base with you and make sure all is well. We are expecting some snow here tonight. Didn't know if that would make a difference to you with shipping on Wed.?? Anyway...just get back with me when you have a minute so I will know that we are still a go for shipping.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Shipping Date
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:33:29 -0500
Hi Mandy,
I realized I was incorrect with regard to the shipping date I mentioned in my last email. Would it be possible to ship one week from today (2/27/02) for delivery on Thursday (2/28/02)? Also, were you able to get the shipping rate? I would be able to contribute some of the shipping cost (would $20 be okay, I could put it in an envelope inside the box).
Talk to you later,
Josh
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hi Mandy,
No problem on the cups of water. I ordered the containers and heat pack from LLL Reptiles online yesterday. I'm going to give them a call today to get a tracking number and ETA. I also have two other snakes coming (a male Ghost Boa and a female DH Ghost) so I am trying to coordinate all of them arriving on the same day. If okay with you I'd like to ship them to you a week from this coming Thursday (2/28/02) to arrive at your door Friday (3/1/02).
Let me know if you are okay with this.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Josh,
I would say that is all A-ok...I don't think I would bother with the little cups of water though..they are most likely going to spill and then the poor guys..oops and gal would have to spend their whole trip wet. Not much fun I would think! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> It is a kind thought though.
Everything else sounds good just let me know what day is best and when you are ready. Have you tryed walmart for the heat packs? Hunting section...
You are right USPS is cheaper by far than UPS. UPS was going to be about $70-80 for the big girl. I have not checked USPS yet. Will do that though. If we do use USPS then I would not bother with the labels. Some of the offices I have heard are giving people a hard time about mailing reptiles since the Sept 11 thing. So you might be better off just to stay low key about what is in the box just to be safe.
Keep me updated about how your search for packing stuff goes and then we will go from there..
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:18:34 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Would USPS be a better way to go. I was actually just reading in Reptiles (a back issue) that USPS is one of the more reliable and better priced overnight services to go with. Plus it would be probably going directly to your "post office", as opposed to, having UPS have to deliver to the "post office". At 5lbs (which it probably won't be I just used as a max) the Express Mail (to you by noon the next day) delivery charge is $24.85 (via USPS).
Also, with regard to packaging I'm going to do the following.
1. Place the snake (each individually) in a appropriate sized deli container with 1 or 2 paper towels, as well as, a little cup of water (like the size of a, don't laugh, Pepto Bismol or Robotussin cup, you know the one that comes with the bottle.
2. Place the deli containers snuggly inside the box which is either insulated and padded with Styrofoam and/or newspaper (I think I have one of each at home).
3. Staple the heat pack to the top on the inside somewhere, or deep into the newspaper so that they don't get "cooked".
4. Seal it up. Using the USPS should I put or make labels that say "Live Harmless Animals"?
Also, I have to find a place to purchase the heat pack, as well as, either purchase or acquire some deli containers. Both shouldn't be a problem.
Let's set up the shipping for sometime next week. That way it will give me a little time to get the deli containers and heat packs. I just called a few places near me but they don't carry them. I'm going to order them online. Which could take a few days for the products to literally get in my hands. Usually Tuesday is a good day to ship as my wife is home on Wednesdays to accept the package. Plus, I will try to take the day off from work.
Let me know if you have any criticisms, suggestions, comments, etc. about my packaging methods. I'm open and just want the animals to arrive safe and sound.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello,
That is how I got my Uro also. As far as heat packs that is a big YES. That way they will stay all nice and toasty. So you are familiar with packing? If you need any info just let me know.
I will check on shipping costs for the big girl here in just a bit..see if I can't get a rough idea.
My address is..(lets see UPS only delievers to home addresses....??)
Mandy Parrish
RR 7 Box 956
Spencer, IN 47460
That is my parents house..we live in a small town only about 25 houses so we don't have a house address just boxes at the little tiny building they call a post office! *smiles* But I can be there to pick them up no problem.
Let me know what a good day for her would be. That way I can work it out to get my husbands help to pack this big girl up.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500
Hi Mandy,
I'm okay with shipping UPS. I just received a Uromastyx via UPS and it had "Live Harmless Animal" labeled on the package. I'm sure they knew what it was. I guess as long as they only know it's a "Live Harmless Animal", as opposed to, a "Live Harmless Snake". With regard to heat. Will you/should I put a heat pack in with the package? As far as packaging goes, I have boxes and materials from when I received my snakes that I will used to ship to you (just have to find an appropriate sized new deli container). I believe it will probably cost me roughly $25 - $35 for shipping (overnight priority).
My full address is:
Joshua Ingram
XX-XX Queens Blvd
Woodside, NY 11377
What is yours? Also, I need to schedule it for a day when my wife will be home accept the delivery. I'll confirm with her which days she will be home.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again,
Sorry I did not get right back to you I had to run to my parents house the next town over. My dad is having some treatments done for a nerve disease he has so I needed to check up on him. Anyway... Have you ever shipped a snake before? If so what method do you use?
If not what method would you want to use? I have shipped some snakes through USPS and UPS but they will not knowingly ship snakes...so you are on your own as far as guarantees go. I have bought and sold before but this is my first trade also. I would think that we would both be responsible for our own shipping although since the boa would cost a good deal more to ship than your three any help you would want to give on shipping costs would also be appreciated.
Can you let me know where you are located that way I can start getting a rough idea on shipping costs...
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
CC: "Joshua L. Ingram"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0500
Hi Mandy,
The rubber boa was born in July 2000 (making him about 7 1/2 months old). I have attached 4 pics of the rubber boa. Plus, I have attched 4 additional pics I took this morning of the rat snakes (2 of the male Texas Rat and 2 of the female Texas Rat).
Yes, this is my first trade. My question was about how we deal with shipping, etc.
Thanks and talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Well I think we would be even on that. The boa has been a bit slow in eating as well. She had not eaten for about oh a month or so. Then yesterday out of the blue she took down a F/T jumbo rat no problem..?? So guess she just was not hungry...lol
I think I would be willing to trade..do you have a pic of the rubber boa..and how old was it again? I know you said somewhere along the line but can't remember.
Also were you the one that said this was your first trade? I have talked to so many people in the last few days!
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:24:25 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Yes I have and she has given her thumbs up. I also want to be up front in saying that the female rat snake still has not accepted food. It's her third week. Though, she still hasn't shed. Again, to be honest it concerns me a little because this behavior is different then normal. Usually she would only go one week of refusing food when shedding. With this knowledge if you want to move forward I am game.
If you want to give me a call so we can discuss please feel free to give me a call anytime.
Home 718-565-XXXX
Work 646-227-XXXX
Thanks,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again Josh
Sorry about the delay getting back with you..boy have I had a time.
I to be honest was going to go with another trade offer. I tryed to contact the people multiple times, but no reply. So I get an email this morning saying they have already traded the snakes because they had not heard from me! I tell ya...
Anyway...since they are out of the pic. you are my top offer. Have you talked with you wife about the rubber boa? Boy do I know that one..everything I do consurning this boa is having to be run past my husband also! lol
Thanks for being patient...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6:24 -0500
Hi Mandy,
You hit the nail on the head. I really want to have (my dream) a pair of albino, snow, and sunglow boas, as well as, all the boas I have now. I think the albino, snow, and sunglows are beautiful animals.
I'll tell you what. I have to speak with my wife (we do this stuff together) in the morning about it first but I would be willing to include the Rubber Boa. He has been feeding on one pinkie every four days, never had any problems feeding him. The Rubber Boas are know to be difficult feeders at first. For example, many times after being born they have to be cooled down for close to three months. Only when they are warmed up do they start to feed. Even then breeders have to start them feeding vis the "Split Brain" method. This may not be true for all Rubber Boas but at least the ones that I have spoken to people about. Also, he is about 10 - 12 inches long. I don't have any pics but can send you some if you would like.
Either way let me know when you have made a decision.
Thanks for the latest pic.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again Josh,
As far as her age..I have no idea to be honest...
Sounds like you have a nice snake there for future breeding! I would love to have an albino boa one day..
As far as the trade. I am still waiting to hear from a couple of interested parties before I decide. I have had quite a few good offers for this girl. I am also hoping that I might be able to set something up with who I trade her to to get one of her babies if she is bred.
I really hate to part with her but need the room. I am also wanting to get started into corn breeding. I think they are just the neatest snakes. That is why I was looking for some in trade. I like fool got rid of most of my corns a few years ago so now am starting from scratch.
If I had anything to trade I would love to have a rubber boa. They are SO cool. I have never been able to find one here local. Have been watching our show but no one here breeds them.
I also have a male uro mali...aren't they great. I hope to find a femal! e and maybe some others at some point also.
I am sending along another pic of the boa. I should get back with you in the morning most likely. Depends on when I hear from those people and what my schedule is like in the morning.
Thanks!
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:13:31 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Thanks for all the info. I have another question, how old do you think she is (ball park)? I have a 3 - 4 foot 18 month old male Columbian Hypo that I could attempt to breed with her now (probably won't produce anything and will be practice for the male newbie). I have him in with my 7 1/2 foot female normal columbian right now but doesn't seem like it will be a match this year. He's still young though. Plus, I purchased a normal male that is possible het for Anery, Snow, and possibely Albino (from Rich Ihle). So I would have a nice mate for her in the future.
Are you interested in making the trade? If so, how do we handle shipping (This will be my first trade)? Also, I have a male Rubber Boa if you are interested in any other trades. Basically, I want to work strictly with my corn snakes (I have an Anery B (Charcoal) female and Yellow Cremsicle female, plus a pair of Kisatchies, a male Yellow Cremsicle, and a male blood red coming this May/June) and BCI's for now. Though, I also have a Brazilian Rainbow boa and a pair of Mali Uromastyx. I am also interested in monitors (Red & Yellow ackies, Storrs, etc. the smaller ones).
Let me know.
I really appreciate your time.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hi Josh
thank you for the pics they were great.
I don't know anything about her genetics I am afraid. I had considered breeding her myself but have a few other projects that I would rather work on right now. Besides the fact that I don't have a boyfriend for her.
I got her from a friend locally and we did not get into specifics about where he got her. (I believe she lived in a one snake home) She is fine when handled but can get a bit jumpy when excited. My friend said she did strike at him once but she never has with us. She just put down a F/T jumbo rat this afternoon with no problem. I have not had one bit of trouble with her eating although she does tend to go a little bit longer spans in between feedings than some of my others. At this point I have no idea on her weight..I truthfully just have not had reason to weigh her. As far as being proven?? at her size she could be but not by me or my friend that I got her from. Before that??? Anything goes.! ..
Thanks
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:53:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Thanks for your email and the pics. Yeah, those digital cameras can be tricky sometimes. I'm still getting used to mine also. Here is a pic of each one (Frankie1.jpg=female & Johnny1.jpg=male). This pair is unrelated and about 5-6 months old. I want to be honest in telling you that they both have been eating great up until about two weeks ago the female started refusing food. She could be in shed (it's sometimes hard to tell they don't go blue in the traditional sense. Their eyes gloss over, as opposed to going blue. Definitely noticeable though.). They started out on 1 f/t mouse pink every 4 days and now I have them up to 2. Oh yeah, they are from Don Soderbergs stock.
Is your female a BCI (Boa c. Imperator - Columbian) or BCC (Boa c. Constrictor)? How friendly/tame is your female? What do you currently have her feeding on? You mentioned in the ad she is 8ft, do you know how much she weighs? Is she proven? Do you know anything about her genetics?
Take a look at my pics and let me know. Either way thanks again for your email and pics.
Josh
718-565-XXXX Home
646-227-XXXX Work
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:33 AM
Subject: red tail boa
Hello..here are some pics of the girl...sorry about the quality..a new dig. camera is in my future...
Do you have pics of your two?
Thanks,
Mandy
'>. Now remember, she advertised that the boa is TAME. Now before anyone starts nailing me to the post, I do understand that animals get very stressed out and have more of a tendancy to hiss, bite, etc. BUT, almost a month later, if I go to clean the cage, feed her, etc. (NOT EVERYTIME BUT WAY MORE THAN A "TAME" ANIMAL SHOULD, my other 8+ foot boa is "TAME". I can go in her cage move her around, handle her, etc. Not a peep or sign of aggression.) she hisses and strikes once or twice before I can secure her safely in a temporary cage. Again this isn't a big deal BUT IT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADVERTISED. Lastly, she advertised a 7-8 foot boa. The animal I received is about 6 feet. AGAIN, NOT WHAT SHE ADVERTISED. Oh yeah, and stupid me, again, I even gave her $20 dollars (not her request just because I am a nice guy and don't mind splitting the shipping cost)towards shipping since it cost about double what my costs were (RED FACE).I have to add it's pretty embarrassing owning up to my newbie mistakes here on the forum in a public arena, but how else will I learn but to make the mistakes own up to them honestly and move on.
I will end with this. I sent this as part of an email exchange with Rachel Rodgers and I stand by my statement. Here it is:
P.S. Even though all this really rattles my cage there is one thing I know that Mandy or anyone can't ever take from me. I may be a newbie (herping for about 2 years) but I know how to take care of my animals (i.e. husbandry,handling, etc.) and can see when other people aren't taking care of their animals. Plus, I am a VERY honest, caring, loving, considerate, and up front person. In addition, I can admit my mistakes, errors, short comings, as well as learn from them. I will leave it at that.
Please see below for all the email messages Mandy and I exchanged. Also note, the messages start at the very bottom in chronological order moving upward.
Thanks for listening.
Joshua Ingram
[email protected]
****EMAIL EXCHANGE****
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Please!!!!! Don't talk to me about being lied to. You did plenty of that already!!! Your last email said that you didn't know she had mites otherwise you would never have gone through with the deal. Well, I have to tell you she was SO INFESTED with mites that the only way she could have gotten that was was to have had them for AWHILE, YOU HAD TO HAVE KNOWN!!!! She was such a beloved pet that you allowed that to happen, right? Mandy, one other thing. Don't continue to email me your bull#### okay. I now know that this animal was most likely a rescue. Take the CAPTIVE BORN AND HEALTHY animals I gave you and keep your ####ing trap shut. Or, tell me, will I see my animals on your site one day (http://www.angelfire.com/super/unwantedpets/Frontpage.html)?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: boa
I traded you my snake with the knowledge that you were going to keep her and breed her..If I had known that you were just going to turn around and trade her away I would never have let you have her. She was our pet and was very much loved. We did not want to part with her but felt it would be better for her to be with someone that needed her for breeding or such.
I feel that I have been lied to and, have doomed our pet to be traded over and over again through many homes. She deserves better than that.....
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:54:17 -0500
Mandy,
I did not ever receive you last email. I sent you the email after I received the boa and, to my knowledge, never heard back from you.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
I just wanted to see if you ever got my last email since I never heard anything from you....
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>3<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
You should at least have the integrity to reply to me. I was just disappointed not so much angry though at the time i was. I still wish you the best, good luck with the new ones.
Josh
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Mandy,
The boa arrived this morning. I have to say that I am pretty angry, disappointed, and/or confused!!!!!!!!!!!! To start you advertised that she was 7 - 8 feet long. In actuality she is 6 feet bordering 7 feet. Big difference when you want to potentially breed. BUT, the biggest issue is that she came FULL OF MITES. This is unacceptable!! In all our conversations you NEVER mentioned she had mites. You only commented that she was healthy and eating. I would find it difficult you would miss the fact that she had mites. Especially since she was COVERED with them. Plus, not telling me about this jeopardized all my other animals. Most of my other animals are high-end very expensive animals and would be disasterous if they would (or could have) have mites, I will/might have to isolate all of them. In addition I have three cats that could be comprised. Not to mention my wife and me.
I have been nothing but COMPLETELY HONEST with you about EVERYTHING (i.e. not eating, etc.). Plus, I was trying to be nice and I sent you $20 towards the shipping cost since it was double what I had to pay. Now I will have to purchase medication to rid her of the mites. Plus, you never mentioned the lesion on her nose and underbelly. I understand this animal came from someone to you BUT, all this information would have been VERY HELPFUL upfront. I am a very honest person and believe in full disclosure, especially with dealing with any animals.
Also, you mentioned that she was/is tame. She lashed out and bit my wife upon putting the bag (with her in it) in her cage. Basically she put her in and opened the top of the bag. As she was pulling her hand away she bit her. It was a pretty nasty bite also. Granted, this can totally be from the shipping. It's not unusual for a snake to exhibit this type of behavior after shipping. BUT, you have to understand. I feel I have not been told the truth about other details and I am now questioning whether her tameness is true.
Lastly, I sent you three perfect animals, in perfect condition expecting the same from you. To me at this point it doesn't seem what you advertised and commented on in our emails is what I actually received. Though, and I'm sure you agree, that you received exactly what you expected BASED ON THE FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL INFORMATION I PROVIDED.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Hi Josh
Was just getting ready to email you that number. Husband said to tell you thanks. He was working at Lowes garden center. The new job is working for the water company the next town over. Not as far to drive...ten times better pay. This way he can start what he wants to do...open his own greenhouse. It has been in the works for quite a while..so now is plans are falling into place it seems. *crossing fingers*
Here is the tracking number for the big girl.
EF160072197US
They said she should be to you by about 10<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am tomorrow. Now it is my turn to be nervous! I do hope you like her as much as we did. Husband and I both gave her a pat goodbye. We will miss her very much.
Mandy
These little guys sure make up for her being gone though! They are SO cute!
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Congrats!!!!!! To your husband (If you don't mind me asking, what does he do for a living?). That's great!!!!! Have great time! I will look for the tracking number this evening.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Just wanted to let you know my husband is finishing packing her up and we are on our way to send her. We are going to be gone today...celebrating..husband got the new job he was hoping to get so I will send the tracking number later today...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:35<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
Okay, I will be online for at least another 30 minutes.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
I was really glad to see the female eat...if you are still online hang on a second. I am going to take a pic of the rats she has been eating so you will know on size...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:24:25 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Great!!!!! I'm so glad they all are eating. Especially after traveling. What have you been feeding the boa? I have about 12 medium rats ready to go at anytime. Plus, I am planning on purchasing large and/or jumbo's very soon. My existing large female boa at her last two last week. I will probably go purchase a dozen or two to have on hand. I am also purchasing a small freezer within the month. It's funny, the pinkies, fuzzys, even adult mice are okay in the freezer and don't take up that much space. Now with the medium, large, and jumbo rats it's a little too much. Plus, my wife will be thrilled when I walk in the door with a new freezer, LOL.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5 AM
Subject: Re: Feeding and shed history
Thanks for the great info Josh...just wanted to let you know I went ahead and tryed them eating today..all three! took down one pinkie. Yes even the female! Male took it right out of my hand..female ate right after I closed the lid on the feeding tub....wubbie waited until I was not looking..lol
I am going to try the boa again today..see if she is interested..won't push her though since she will be traveling on Tuesday...just hate for her to leave on an empty stomach. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='
'> Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
CC: "Joshua L. Ingram"
Subject: Feeding and shed history
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 03:14:30 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Sorry for the delay. Things got really busy here. Here's when they ate last, as well as, their feeding and shed history below.
Female Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Frankie) - 2/23/2002
Male Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Johnny ) - 2/21/2002
Rubber Boa (a.k.a Wubbie) - 2/21/2002
Also, Frankie last shed on 1/15/2002. She's due for another very soon. If you remember I had mentioned when we first discussed the trade that she hadn't eaten for two or three weeks which was leading up to when she "should" have shed. Plus, now, with the transport (i.e. stress) I'm not sure how it will manifest (i.e. sometimes they have a stress shed which in this case could be her normal shed).
I hope you all are doing well.
I will talk to you soon.
Josh
___
PL = Pinkie Large | PM = Pinkie Medium | PS = Pinkie Small
Female Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Frankie)
FEEDING HISTORY
12/7/2001 1 PL
12/10/2001 1 PL
12/13/2001 1 PL
12/17/2001 1 PL
12/20/2001 1 PL
12/24/2001 1 PL
12/27/2001 1 PL
12/31/2001 1 PL
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 2 PL
1/16/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 1 PL
1/28/2002 1 PL
2/18/2002 2 PS
2/23/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/15/2002
Male Leucistic Rat Snake (a.k.a Johnny )
FEEDING HISTORY
12/7/2001 1 PL
12/10/2001 1 PL
12/13/2001 1 PL
12/17/2001 1 PL
12/20/2001 1 PL
12/24/2001 1 PL
12/27/2001 1 PL
12/31/2001 1 PL
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 2 PL
1/10/2002 2 PL
1/14/2002 2 PL
1/17/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 2 PL
1/24/2002 2 PL
1/28/2002 2 PL
2/11/2002 2 PL
2/14/2001 2 PL
2/18/2002 1 PL
2/21/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/3/2002
2/8/2002
Rubber Boa (a.k.a Wubbie)
FEEDING HISTORY
12/19/2001 1 PM
12/24/2001 1 PM
12/27/2001 1 PM
12/31/2001 1 PM
1/3/2002 1 PL
1/7/2002 1 PL
1/10/2002 1 PL
1/14/2002 2 PL
1/17/2002 2 PL
1/21/2002 1 PL
1/24/2002 1 PL
1/28/2001 1 PL
2/4/2002 1 PL
2/11/2002 1 PL
2/14/2002 1 PL
2/21/2002 1 PL
SHED HISTORY
1/10/2002
2/13/2002
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hey Josh..
If you get a second could you send me the eating info for them..that way I will know when they need dinner...
My order of pinkies arrived from rodent pro the day before they did. I did not have anything small enough for pinkies until these guys. So they have an order of pinkies all for them! lol
Thanks
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:39:15 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Phewww!!!! I'm so happy that they arrived alive, warm, active, and well. I feel so much relief having one successful shipping under my belt. Especially with the weather being the way it is/was.
I meant to send their eating/shedding info yesterday but forgot. I am at work now but when I arrive home this evening I will email you what they have been eating, as well as, when they shed from when I got them up until the last time I fed them.
No problem on the shipping $$$.
Excellent, I can't wait for Wednesday!!!
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Just wanted to let you know that everyone is here safe and sound and are settling into their new homes. They are some great snakes! This is my first rubber boa in person. Very cool!
They were warm and toasty and very active when I opened them. You did a great job packing them. I am going to let them get settled in and then I will get to know them better.
All is set to send the big girl on Tuesday. Just let me know if anything changes on your end for that day. I will be happy to send her whenever you need. Thank you for the money towards her shipping costs!
Thanks again!
Mandy
PS when was the last day these guys ate? I think you told me but I can't remember..that way I can keep them on about the same schedule.
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Mandy,
Sounds good. How's the weather there? The heat packs I put in there are good for 40 hours. I opened them at about 7:30 am Wednesday morning. They should be okay though. Especially if they are in a building waiting to be shipped from warehouse to delivery point.
Yes, definitely let me know if you receive any further information. I will also let you know if anything changes with regard to Tuesday.
Talk to you later,
Josh
P.S. Does the shipping process/thing get easier as you do it more. This being my first time, I have found it pretty nerve racking with regard to me being anal about tracking and making sure all the details are in order (containers, heat packs, shipping materials in general, etc.). I worry so much about the animals and that they arrive alive and well. They are such innocent creatures and we (herpers) put them in these situations (with all love, care, and good intentions) and I would hate to know that something I did added to their demise.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hi Josh,
Our mail has already come for today. I went and checked about 10<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am this morning and they were not there. I was just getting ready to email you when I got your message..Bloomington is about 25 miles from here. I am not sure if they will come today or not since our mail truck has already come. I am going to go down and ask though. They may still bring it since it is express. If not they will be here first thing in the morning. I will keep you updated....
Tuesday will be fine sending the boa. Just let me know if anything changes.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:29:45 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Just checked the tracking. Here's the latest.
Your item has arrived at the BLOOMINGTON, IN 47404 processing center at 10:13 am on February 28, 2002. Status is updated every evening. Please check again later.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
I have sent like two or three emails today??
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:39:14 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Everything okay? Haven't heard back from you.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Ya no problem picking them up....let me explain will make it easier <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='
'>...we live in a very tiny town only about oh 20-25 houses. We don't have anything here except a small postal building where our mail comes to. There is one person that works there...That is where your guys will arrive. I can walk there if I have to. Can see the building from my house. But to send anything we have to go to the next town over about 10 miles away through the country. Our building does not have outgoing mail. Pretty weird and a big pain in the tush! *smiles* One of the only bad things about moving here... So yes I will pick them up the moment they arrive..will check the tracking number so I know right when they get there.
The only thing is I have to try and get the 10 miles in the morning to get boa girl on her way...and it is still coming down like a blizzard outside..BUURRR! I keep getting this urge to put on a christmas cd! Anyway....I will let you know if I am ! able to make it out ...Can't tell you much until I see how things look in the morning..
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:58<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 -0500
Mandy,
Will you be able to get out to accept the animals? Do you think it would be better to wait? The reason being is that I was going to ship them out to you early tomorrow morning (8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 am EST). I'm not so worried about the cold (while in transit) but rather sitting in the cold post office for a prolonged amount of time. I will be putting in a 40 hour heat pack.
Let me know.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Ok just wanted to send you an update..it's 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0pm here. We have had a TON of snow come down here this afternoon and evening. I am going to do my best to get out to the post office in the morning with her. They said they are supposed to have our roads partly cleared by early morning. (we live out in the country) So I should be able to make it. I will let you know what happens as I do it..so you will know how everything stands..
Here is my address again to confirm...
Mandy Parrish
PO Box 16
Freedom IN 47431
I will be shipping USPS overnight as well..I will send the tracking number as soon as I get back..
Thanks!
Mandy
From: "Joshua Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Sounds good. Yes I have your address but if you could re-send it to my to confirm that would be great. Also, do you think one heat pack will suffice? It's a 40 hour heat pack.
My Address is (just to confirm):
Joshua Ingram
XX-XX Queens Blvd, Apt G21
Woodside, NY 11377
I will be shipping via USPS overnight priority.
Talk to you later,
Josh
P.S. Once I have the tracking number (Wednesday morning) I will email it to you. Can you do the same?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Josh,
Should be ok on this end. I checked for here. Highs in mid to upper 20's and lows down to 10 for those two days...we were supposed to get a ton of snow, but so far only a little...so may not be as bad as what they were calling for..
Don't think it will be a problem..she should not be in tran. to long...I am going to replan some of her packing to account for the colder weather...
We are all set I think.. you have my address right? and I have yours?
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Yes, everything looks good. My delivery of deli containers and heat packs are arriving tomorrow. Snow near you doesn't make a difference for me. I checked www.weatherchannel.com and Wednesday and Thursday here have a high of 46 and low of 26. No rain or snow though. What about on your end? Do you feel the snow impact the shipping (i.e. timing, etc.)?
I'm a go for shipping if you are.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping Date
Hello,
Just wanted to touch base with you and make sure all is well. We are expecting some snow here tonight. Didn't know if that would make a difference to you with shipping on Wed.?? Anyway...just get back with me when you have a minute so I will know that we are still a go for shipping.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Shipping Date
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:33:29 -0500
Hi Mandy,
I realized I was incorrect with regard to the shipping date I mentioned in my last email. Would it be possible to ship one week from today (2/27/02) for delivery on Thursday (2/28/02)? Also, were you able to get the shipping rate? I would be able to contribute some of the shipping cost (would $20 be okay, I could put it in an envelope inside the box).
Talk to you later,
Josh
From: [email protected]
To: Mandy Frye
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hi Mandy,
No problem on the cups of water. I ordered the containers and heat pack from LLL Reptiles online yesterday. I'm going to give them a call today to get a tracking number and ETA. I also have two other snakes coming (a male Ghost Boa and a female DH Ghost) so I am trying to coordinate all of them arriving on the same day. If okay with you I'd like to ship them to you a week from this coming Thursday (2/28/02) to arrive at your door Friday (3/1/02).
Let me know if you are okay with this.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Josh,
I would say that is all A-ok...I don't think I would bother with the little cups of water though..they are most likely going to spill and then the poor guys..oops and gal would have to spend their whole trip wet. Not much fun I would think! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='
'> It is a kind thought though.Everything else sounds good just let me know what day is best and when you are ready. Have you tryed walmart for the heat packs? Hunting section...
You are right USPS is cheaper by far than UPS. UPS was going to be about $70-80 for the big girl. I have not checked USPS yet. Will do that though. If we do use USPS then I would not bother with the labels. Some of the offices I have heard are giving people a hard time about mailing reptiles since the Sept 11 thing. So you might be better off just to stay low key about what is in the box just to be safe.
Keep me updated about how your search for packing stuff goes and then we will go from there..
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:18:34 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Would USPS be a better way to go. I was actually just reading in Reptiles (a back issue) that USPS is one of the more reliable and better priced overnight services to go with. Plus it would be probably going directly to your "post office", as opposed to, having UPS have to deliver to the "post office". At 5lbs (which it probably won't be I just used as a max) the Express Mail (to you by noon the next day) delivery charge is $24.85 (via USPS).
Also, with regard to packaging I'm going to do the following.
1. Place the snake (each individually) in a appropriate sized deli container with 1 or 2 paper towels, as well as, a little cup of water (like the size of a, don't laugh, Pepto Bismol or Robotussin cup, you know the one that comes with the bottle.
2. Place the deli containers snuggly inside the box which is either insulated and padded with Styrofoam and/or newspaper (I think I have one of each at home).
3. Staple the heat pack to the top on the inside somewhere, or deep into the newspaper so that they don't get "cooked".
4. Seal it up. Using the USPS should I put or make labels that say "Live Harmless Animals"?
Also, I have to find a place to purchase the heat pack, as well as, either purchase or acquire some deli containers. Both shouldn't be a problem.
Let's set up the shipping for sometime next week. That way it will give me a little time to get the deli containers and heat packs. I just called a few places near me but they don't carry them. I'm going to order them online. Which could take a few days for the products to literally get in my hands. Usually Tuesday is a good day to ship as my wife is home on Wednesdays to accept the package. Plus, I will try to take the day off from work.
Let me know if you have any criticisms, suggestions, comments, etc. about my packaging methods. I'm open and just want the animals to arrive safe and sound.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello,
That is how I got my Uro also. As far as heat packs that is a big YES. That way they will stay all nice and toasty. So you are familiar with packing? If you need any info just let me know.
I will check on shipping costs for the big girl here in just a bit..see if I can't get a rough idea.
My address is..(lets see UPS only delievers to home addresses....??)
Mandy Parrish
RR 7 Box 956
Spencer, IN 47460
That is my parents house..we live in a small town only about 25 houses so we don't have a house address just boxes at the little tiny building they call a post office! *smiles* But I can be there to pick them up no problem.
Let me know what a good day for her would be. That way I can work it out to get my husbands help to pack this big girl up.
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500
Hi Mandy,
I'm okay with shipping UPS. I just received a Uromastyx via UPS and it had "Live Harmless Animal" labeled on the package. I'm sure they knew what it was. I guess as long as they only know it's a "Live Harmless Animal", as opposed to, a "Live Harmless Snake". With regard to heat. Will you/should I put a heat pack in with the package? As far as packaging goes, I have boxes and materials from when I received my snakes that I will used to ship to you (just have to find an appropriate sized new deli container). I believe it will probably cost me roughly $25 - $35 for shipping (overnight priority).
My full address is:
Joshua Ingram
XX-XX Queens Blvd
Woodside, NY 11377
What is yours? Also, I need to schedule it for a day when my wife will be home accept the delivery. I'll confirm with her which days she will be home.
Talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again,
Sorry I did not get right back to you I had to run to my parents house the next town over. My dad is having some treatments done for a nerve disease he has so I needed to check up on him. Anyway... Have you ever shipped a snake before? If so what method do you use?
If not what method would you want to use? I have shipped some snakes through USPS and UPS but they will not knowingly ship snakes...so you are on your own as far as guarantees go. I have bought and sold before but this is my first trade also. I would think that we would both be responsible for our own shipping although since the boa would cost a good deal more to ship than your three any help you would want to give on shipping costs would also be appreciated.
Can you let me know where you are located that way I can start getting a rough idea on shipping costs...
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
CC: "Joshua L. Ingram"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0500
Hi Mandy,
The rubber boa was born in July 2000 (making him about 7 1/2 months old). I have attached 4 pics of the rubber boa. Plus, I have attched 4 additional pics I took this morning of the rat snakes (2 of the male Texas Rat and 2 of the female Texas Rat).
Yes, this is my first trade. My question was about how we deal with shipping, etc.
Thanks and talk to you later,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Well I think we would be even on that. The boa has been a bit slow in eating as well. She had not eaten for about oh a month or so. Then yesterday out of the blue she took down a F/T jumbo rat no problem..?? So guess she just was not hungry...lol
I think I would be willing to trade..do you have a pic of the rubber boa..and how old was it again? I know you said somewhere along the line but can't remember.
Also were you the one that said this was your first trade? I have talked to so many people in the last few days!
Thanks,
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:24:25 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Yes I have and she has given her thumbs up. I also want to be up front in saying that the female rat snake still has not accepted food. It's her third week. Though, she still hasn't shed. Again, to be honest it concerns me a little because this behavior is different then normal. Usually she would only go one week of refusing food when shedding. With this knowledge if you want to move forward I am game.
If you want to give me a call so we can discuss please feel free to give me a call anytime.
Home 718-565-XXXX
Work 646-227-XXXX
Thanks,
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again Josh
Sorry about the delay getting back with you..boy have I had a time.
I to be honest was going to go with another trade offer. I tryed to contact the people multiple times, but no reply. So I get an email this morning saying they have already traded the snakes because they had not heard from me! I tell ya...
Anyway...since they are out of the pic. you are my top offer. Have you talked with you wife about the rubber boa? Boy do I know that one..everything I do consurning this boa is having to be run past my husband also! lol
Thanks for being patient...
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6:24 -0500
Hi Mandy,
You hit the nail on the head. I really want to have (my dream) a pair of albino, snow, and sunglow boas, as well as, all the boas I have now. I think the albino, snow, and sunglows are beautiful animals.
I'll tell you what. I have to speak with my wife (we do this stuff together) in the morning about it first but I would be willing to include the Rubber Boa. He has been feeding on one pinkie every four days, never had any problems feeding him. The Rubber Boas are know to be difficult feeders at first. For example, many times after being born they have to be cooled down for close to three months. Only when they are warmed up do they start to feed. Even then breeders have to start them feeding vis the "Split Brain" method. This may not be true for all Rubber Boas but at least the ones that I have spoken to people about. Also, he is about 10 - 12 inches long. I don't have any pics but can send you some if you would like.
Either way let me know when you have made a decision.
Thanks for the latest pic.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 AM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hello again Josh,
As far as her age..I have no idea to be honest...
Sounds like you have a nice snake there for future breeding! I would love to have an albino boa one day..
As far as the trade. I am still waiting to hear from a couple of interested parties before I decide. I have had quite a few good offers for this girl. I am also hoping that I might be able to set something up with who I trade her to to get one of her babies if she is bred.
I really hate to part with her but need the room. I am also wanting to get started into corn breeding. I think they are just the neatest snakes. That is why I was looking for some in trade. I like fool got rid of most of my corns a few years ago so now am starting from scratch.
If I had anything to trade I would love to have a rubber boa. They are SO cool. I have never been able to find one here local. Have been watching our show but no one here breeds them.
I also have a male uro mali...aren't they great. I hope to find a femal! e and maybe some others at some point also.
I am sending along another pic of the boa. I should get back with you in the morning most likely. Depends on when I hear from those people and what my schedule is like in the morning.
Thanks!
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:13:31 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Thanks for all the info. I have another question, how old do you think she is (ball park)? I have a 3 - 4 foot 18 month old male Columbian Hypo that I could attempt to breed with her now (probably won't produce anything and will be practice for the male newbie). I have him in with my 7 1/2 foot female normal columbian right now but doesn't seem like it will be a match this year. He's still young though. Plus, I purchased a normal male that is possible het for Anery, Snow, and possibely Albino (from Rich Ihle). So I would have a nice mate for her in the future.
Are you interested in making the trade? If so, how do we handle shipping (This will be my first trade)? Also, I have a male Rubber Boa if you are interested in any other trades. Basically, I want to work strictly with my corn snakes (I have an Anery B (Charcoal) female and Yellow Cremsicle female, plus a pair of Kisatchies, a male Yellow Cremsicle, and a male blood red coming this May/June) and BCI's for now. Though, I also have a Brazilian Rainbow boa and a pair of Mali Uromastyx. I am also interested in monitors (Red & Yellow ackies, Storrs, etc. the smaller ones).
Let me know.
I really appreciate your time.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Hi Josh
thank you for the pics they were great.
I don't know anything about her genetics I am afraid. I had considered breeding her myself but have a few other projects that I would rather work on right now. Besides the fact that I don't have a boyfriend for her.
I got her from a friend locally and we did not get into specifics about where he got her. (I believe she lived in a one snake home) She is fine when handled but can get a bit jumpy when excited. My friend said she did strike at him once but she never has with us. She just put down a F/T jumbo rat this afternoon with no problem. I have not had one bit of trouble with her eating although she does tend to go a little bit longer spans in between feedings than some of my others. At this point I have no idea on her weight..I truthfully just have not had reason to weigh her. As far as being proven?? at her size she could be but not by me or my friend that I got her from. Before that??? Anything goes.! ..
Thanks
Mandy
From: "Joshua L. Ingram"
To: "Mandy Frye"
Subject: Re: red tail boa
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:53:28 -0500
Hi Mandy,
Thanks for your email and the pics. Yeah, those digital cameras can be tricky sometimes. I'm still getting used to mine also. Here is a pic of each one (Frankie1.jpg=female & Johnny1.jpg=male). This pair is unrelated and about 5-6 months old. I want to be honest in telling you that they both have been eating great up until about two weeks ago the female started refusing food. She could be in shed (it's sometimes hard to tell they don't go blue in the traditional sense. Their eyes gloss over, as opposed to going blue. Definitely noticeable though.). They started out on 1 f/t mouse pink every 4 days and now I have them up to 2. Oh yeah, they are from Don Soderbergs stock.
Is your female a BCI (Boa c. Imperator - Columbian) or BCC (Boa c. Constrictor)? How friendly/tame is your female? What do you currently have her feeding on? You mentioned in the ad she is 8ft, do you know how much she weighs? Is she proven? Do you know anything about her genetics?
Take a look at my pics and let me know. Either way thanks again for your email and pics.
Josh
718-565-XXXX Home
646-227-XXXX Work
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Frye
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:33 AM
Subject: red tail boa
Hello..here are some pics of the girl...sorry about the quality..a new dig. camera is in my future...
Do you have pics of your two?
Thanks,
Mandy
