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Bad Guy Manny Frade of Prefect Predators

The first pic is from the ad. The second pic is the boa just moments after being unboxed. The second pic is illuminated by natural sunlight only. He's still a nice snake, and I'm not unhappy with him given the price I paid, but I thought he would be more vibrant.
 

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It's worth saying, I don't remember if the flash went off in the pic I took or not. I'm not super savvy with cameras so I have it set on automatic usually.
 
I am not at all camera savvy, would a flash one way or the other make such a difference?
 
What I was really hoping for was that he would have orange eyes like he does in the ad. In person his eyes are more of a silvery beige color.
 
It looks like a Photoshop hack-job on the pic from the ad. The white background is even tinted red. Maybe you could email the original pic to one of the PS sleuths on here so the EXIF data can be checked out to confirm or deny what seems obvious. If the photo is as altered as it appears, surely it was just an honest mistake, and not a product of manny's well-documented lack of ethics or integrity. :rolleyes:
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
It looks like a Photoshop hack-job on the pic from the ad. The white background is even tinted red. Maybe you could email the original pic to one of the PS sleuths on here so the EXIF data can be checked out to confirm or deny what seems obvious. If the photo is as altered as it appears, surely it was just an honest mistake, and not a product of manny's well-documented lack of ethics or integrity. :rolleyes:
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Well, you can't save photos from the website. That photo is a screenshot that I cropped down.
 
Actually, just spoke to my husband (he's a computer programmer), and he showed me how to access the image file. So here is the original image from the website.
 

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None of the EXIF data would be available because you posted it as an attachment, you'd need to e-mail it to someone or post it on Photobucket and post it here.

Not to defend Manny, but DLSRs can sometimes (on the auto function(, give a red tint to photos. I've seen it happen a good bit, even on my own photos. So, that could be a factor in the red tint on the background.
 
Mike adams recently bought a boa from manny the comparision pics were drastic. Several others out there I hope they contribute as well

Also ever notice he advertises things as such "bloody sunglow possible hypo female" in a boa group on fb this guys like hey look at my bloody sunglow i just bought i dont understand the possible hypo part kinda new with genetics?"
Alot of people commented um thats a hypo ñot a bloody sunglow.....he argued with us. I said what the ad should have said hypo possible het blood possible het albino female. No this guys like oh hes a really big breed and sells hundereds of babies i think he knows what he is talking about!!



Sneaky and shady all trying to make a buck this poor new kid didnt even know anybetter...im going to search for this convo it was awhile back several people had commented on it ill try and copy and paste it here too
 
jendee said:
Mike adams recently bought a boa from manny the comparision pics were drastic. Several others out there I hope they contribute as well

Also ever notice he advertises things as such "bloody sunglow possible hypo female" in a boa group on fb this guys like hey look at my bloody sunglow i just bought i dont understand the possible hypo part kinda new with genetics?"
Alot of people commented um thats a hypo ñot a bloody sunglow.....he argued with us. I said what the ad should have said hypo possible het blood possible het albino female. No this guys like oh hes a really big breed and sells hundereds of babies i think he knows what he is talking about!!



Sneaky and shady all trying to make a buck this poor new kid didnt even know anybetter...im going to search for this convo it was awhile back several people had commented on it ill try and copy and paste it here too
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The way he lists his snakes is a little confusing, but it's not dishonest. A bloody sunglow possible hypo boa would be a hypo that is a possible het for bloody sunglow.

Here is the picture from photobucket:

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You can easily see by that photo and if there is one thing I do know it is photos the white balance was changed making the photo warmer than it really is which is why you see the unreasonable amount of red on what once was a white background.
 
meowmeowkazoo said:
The way he lists his snakes is a little confusing, but it's not dishonest. A bloody sunglow possible hypo boa would be a hypo that is a possible het for bloody sunglow.
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This is actually exactly what I was mentioning in my post

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As much as I want to suggest why I'm not a fan of loans (even with contracts) & usually rather deal with a smaller name because the personal attention usually lacks dealing with a business over someone with a hobby I cant over look some of the responses said here.

I never been a fan of the wording PP used to label a lot of het animals but it never differed me enough to not want to do business with them, such as the responses I read here no matter how nice some of the animals they have are.
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Your right it is not dishonest but definitively not the norm. There have been more then a few time I clicked on a link to see a snake & seen something totally different then expected. I never did any business with PP to date but I'm pretty sure his play on words was mentioned earlier in the thread by folks who have.
 
I'll admit to kind of falling behind on reading EXIF data these days ... but the photo was put through Photoshop, not that that generally means anything. Manny is also using a Photoshop ICC Profile, which, if I remember correctly, is basically a way to let Photoshop automatically adjust the appearance and coloration of your photos via the specifications set by that profile.

This does not necessarily show malicious intent or a means to deliberately alter photos (even the proper light box can exaggerate an image), however, I did go ahead and drop down the Hue and Saturation of the photo a bit until I could no loner see the red tint on the white background and got this:

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Also, Manny was shooting using an auto function, specifically, Auto 3 on a Nikon D60, for anyone that knows cameras.
 
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I'll admit to kind of falling behind on reading EXIF data these days ... but the photo was put through Photoshop, not that that generally means anything. Manny is also using a Photoshop ICC Profile, which, if I remember correctly, is basically a way to let Photoshop automatically adjust the appearance and coloration of your photos via the specifications set by that profile.

This does not necessarily show malicious intent or a means to deliberately alter photos (even the proper light box can exaggerate an image), however, I did go ahead and drop down the Hue and Saturation of the photo a bit until I could no loner see the red tint on the white background and got this:

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This picture is a closer representation of the animal, although he is a little more red. I get the feeling he will gain more color as he ages, so I'm not unhappy with the purchase. If I had paid full price I would probably be unhappy.
 
I'm assuming that's a Jungle boa. The natural progression of the Jungle gene (in most instances) is that they gain color as they age, however, that is not a reason for you to be happy or to not be unhappy, rather. It was advertised as a baby that was already pretty red, which means it should be a blinding adult (logic would suggest this anyway), but I doubt that is the case.

It does not really let Manny off the hook, even if he is not intentionally altering anything, it is his job, as a businessman, to make sure photos are as close to real life beyond a camera as possible.
 
ShadowAceD said:
I'm assuming that's a Jungle boa. The natural progression of the Jungle gene (in most instances) is that they gain color as they age, however, that is not a reason for you to be happy or to not be unhappy, rather. It was advertised as a baby that was already pretty red, which means it should be a blinding adult (logic would suggest this anyway), but I doubt that is the case.

It does not really let Manny off the hook, even if he is not intentionally altering anything, it is his job, as a businessman, to make sure photos are as close to real life beyond a camera as possible.
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Yeah, a hypo jungle. And that is true. I guess all I'm saying is that I'm not making a big deal out of it because I got him for such a low price. If I had paid full price it would be worth pursuing, but it's just not worth the trouble in this case. I hope these pictures will help people who are considering his snakes, though.

I would probably buy from him again if I only had pattern in mind, because the snake is healthy and arrived well packed and in a timely manner. While I'm disappointed at the somewhat false advertising, everything else was spot on.
 
So, his immature attitude despite being a grown man that is supposedly some kind of "leader" in the industry would not deter you from purchasing from him again?
 
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