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Marcus@Todo Fina Constrictors - W/C HOG ISLAND BOAS!!!

Hmmmm....he might be confused rather than dishonest. Maybe someone can email him and ask for clarification?
 
Marcus Quesada

Nothing wrong with inquiring.I dont even know who I am sometimes(LOL).It is what it says,I know hard to believe.Quick rundown,Less than 100 of these guys came out.An unnamed importer brought them in under a legal cites permit for Boa Constrictor.There is no sub-species designation yet for Hog Island(should be one,just my humble opinion).They are here,I am not the only person selling them.There are a few well known retail outfits selling them.This is a rare event.You are entitled to your opinion,hope I have helped in some way.Marcus Quesada@Todo Fina Constrictors
 
Marcus@Todo Fina Constrictors

Terese,complex,maybe,confused,nope.Check with Glades Herp,and a few others have them.Not everybody is admitting it :no_evil01 .Check around.Take Care,MARCUS
 
true epople are offering them for sale BUT... under honduran law they are not allowing the exportation of them and they are protected by law. they are not a sub species but are in insular form protected by the honduran government the cayos los cochinos consists of 9 (or 10 i believe) lil bitty islands
so
a) its a wild caught with inproper paperwork
b) cb being passed of as WC
d) wc and obtained by illegal or other avenues
or
d) wc and has proper doumentayion and CITIES paper work blah blah

if i was to buy one i would sure want the CITIES paperwork straight in my hands. i would in no way want to have my entire collection taken or even one animal taken away for the possible illegal pocession... not to mention the fines and penalties
 
Robin S

I would like to respond to your post.There is some truth to your post.I never said that Hog Islands were a subspecies.I beleive that there should be taxonomic review to see if there are systemic or morphological differences to warrant species elevation beyond generic Boa Constrictor Imperator status.My opinion,albeit humble,and from a non-scientific perspective,believes there should be a change.The HOG ISLANDS are two islands,the rest are the Bahia Islands or "Bay Islands".The original permits granted in the early 80s were completely abused.Nobody taking any of those boas from anybodys home that Ive ever heard of,as far as your mention to your house being raided.I would rather see these animals in the hands of some very ethical breeders,dedicated to the proper care and propagation,than watch them sent overseas and suffer through more transit horrors.THEY ARE HERE,PLAIN AND SIMPLE.We will not see this again.I agree with some of your concerns.Good Day,Marcus Quesada
 
W/C Hog Island boas

:2gunsfiri Just a little more for you digestive tracts.The importer/exporter is a well respected person in this industry,and before I posted on kingsnake,several WELL RESPECTED locality specific breeders were contacted and purchased the lions share of what I had.No reason to drop names.They saw what I saw,intrinsic value because these are PURE UNTAINTED INSULAR BOAS that offer a fresh infusion of healthy genetic variance to the existing bloodlines out there.The last pairs were for the general public. ;) Marcus Q
 
it consists of two main islands and 9 smaller islands (some say a couple of more other say 1 or 2 less)
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these islands are protected
The original permits granted in the early 80s were completely abused.Nobody taking any of those boas from anybodys home that Ive ever heard of,as far as your mention to your house being raided.

maybe so but i believe the year was 84 when the exporation of the hogg island boas ceased andthe islands became protected....... and to currect i do not believe they are exporting any, at least as of 2004 IF they are and its a protected animal.. no matter b.c. imperetor or not there is certain documentation you must have along with CITIES paperwork.
Trust me, if you do not think USFW will raid you for non documented animals you are foolish. I would suggest whomever you bought them from provide you with such paper work, and if they can't i would want my money back and send them the animals back. i wouldn't want ANY undocumented animals in my collection and you are right out there in the public eye advertising them.
HEY USFW look at me i have WC hog island boas.
personally, those are just something i would stay far far away from unless proper doumentation can be provided, plus you in turn would need to give any customers that buy from you copies of said paperwork
 
i also know of some locality breeders whom wouldnt touch the "wc hoggs" out there right now with a ten foot pole. Trust me if i would get some legally imported wc hogs i would but with out any verification or paperwork i wouldnt take any chances
 
Robin..

These WC Hogs ( I understand some rosy boas as well) came into the US to a very big importer in FLA with "legal" paerwork as BCC sp. boas. Apparently the exporter found a loophole and was able to ship them out of as such.
As far as the USFW is concerned how would they enforce any US law on these since they were shipped legally.
These are definetely protected in that country though. Here is a piece of a article i was reading.

During the early 1980s, hundreds (if not thousands) of Hog Island boas were exported from Honduras to the United States and Europe. By 1986, however, the numbers began to dwindle, and instead of the small, pale (often pink) boas, larger and darker specimens began to take their place. Rumor through the commercial grapevine was that the intensive collecting on the Cayos Cochinos had nearly depleted the population, and dealers had to turn their efforts to other areas-like the Bay Islands. Almost immediately there were widespread concerns as to how commercial collecting on the Cayos Cochinos may have affected the population of Boa constrictor. This led two prominent field biologists to conduct a herpetofaunal survey of the islands in March of 1988 (Wilson and Cruz, 1993). The results were staggering-not a single specimen of B. constrictor was found! Given the amount of boas that were collected for the commercial trade, it is interesting to note that as of 1993 not a single specimen of B. constrictor from the Cayos Cochinos was available for study in a museum collection! The specimen from the Cayos Cochinos pictured in the book by Wilson and Meyer (1985) is the boa brought to Miami by an animal dealer in 1978, which alerted commercial dealers to the existence of the population.

During the early 1990s, tourists reported seeing specimens of Boa constrictor on the Cayos Cochinos (G. Brewer, pers. comm.). More recently, however, specimens bearing a strong resemblance to Hog Island boas have been imported from Nicaragua and marketed as "white boas" (R. MacInnes, pers. comm). Perhaps the population on the Cayos Cochinos has started to make a comeback, but nevertheless, there is no doubt that during the past two decades what was once a thriving population of B. constrictor has been severely depleted.


I hope that the exporter realizes he is only hurting his own country by collecting and exporting these out of his country.
 
This sounds similar to....

Was it 2 or 3 years ago when "A well known importer" from the Weft Coast was getting in a "legal" shipment of chameleons from Madagascar, including Parsons.

I searched but couldn't find the thread(s), but to make a long story short, word got out that these were being offered for sale a few days prior to their arrival. The end result? USFW met the shipment and confiscated the illegal Chameleons, who knows what ever happened to them, guess the shipment wasn't as "legal" as first suggested?

I'm not saying this is the same thing, just that it sounds similar, and when dealing with USFW you just never know..... :confused:
 
Like Marcus has said a few times now...

THEY'RE HERE!! If that excites you, (I think it's pretty cool myself), get one or two of the very few available. If it doesn't and you have all these questions and aimless accusations that are in the long run completely irrelevant because - THEY'RE HERE, then shut up. By the time you're done whining and trying to find something wrong with them, they'll be sold. Why does everything have to be such a big damn deal? He's even asking what you'd pay for regular old CB animals anyway. 2 very clear cut choices, buy or don't buy. End of story.
 
RyanT said:
THEY'RE HERE!! If that excites you, (I think it's pretty cool myself), get one or two of the very few available. If it doesn't and you have all these questions and aimless accusations that are in the long run completely irrelevant because - THEY'RE HERE, then shut up. By the time you're done whining and trying to find something wrong with them, they'll be sold. Why does everything have to be such a big damn deal? He's even asking what you'd pay for regular old CB animals anyway. 2 very clear cut choices, buy or don't buy. End of story.

Based on your well documented history of less than honest business practices, I can see why you wouldn't have a problem with it........ :no01:
 
Probably all gone.

I just saw his ad yesterday. I can't remember which site it was on. But I can't find it anywhere either. I think there was only 2.2 left. They were nice. The one showed in the pic had a very well defined pattern and had really nice orange coloration, particularly on the back of the head. Better looking than MOST offered. I have seen the WC's offered by 2 other people also but I can't remember exactly who. Marcus's were babies. The others I saw were sub adults or adults. Keep an eye out. Maybe they'll pop up again.
 
Well, i seem to have gotten a little bit of info regarding this situation, kinda interesting.. we have some "loopholey" imported island boas without documentation, only the admission of the seller that his importer "found a way around the law" to get him some undocumented protected animals.

i was kinda hoping he just didn't know exactly what he had...


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