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Marcus@Todo Fina Constrictors - W/C HOG ISLAND BOAS!!!

What Loophole?

If they were imported as BCC and they were in fact BCI then they were imported illegally. Just because the animals went by an uneducated inspector as one thing when they were in fact another doesn't make it right or legal. It sounds to me like outright fraud was committed and if this was the case then anyone that has participated in dealing with these animals (both buyers and sellers) could and IMHO SHOULD get nailed. There's a reason why they're protected.
 
Marcus@Todo Fina Constrictors

Actually Brian,you are correct.I didnt know what they were.I ordered them in two groups,a few days apart.I was told Hog Islands,babies and yearlings.Then I saw what Glades Herp was selling and they advertised them as W/C.I questioned the person and they were honest with me.As I have been.You may not like what happened.If people would not be crossing all these boas,a person like myself who likes locality boas would feel secure buying a purely bred whatever.Sometimes when people breed these hybrids,there are some that look like one of the parents and get pawned off as that because it wasnt the most striking "HYPO/HOG cross,so its sold as hog island.Anyway,they are gone,within minutes,long before you posted here.
There are probably more out ther,not much.Marcus
 
marcus q said:
Actually Brian,you are correct.I didnt know what they were.I ordered them in two groups,a few days apart.I was told Hog Islands,babies and yearlings.Then I saw what Glades Herp was selling and they advertised them as W/C.I questioned the person and they were honest with me.As I have been.You may not like what happened.If people would not be crossing all these boas,a person like myself who likes locality boas would feel secure buying a purely bred whatever.Sometimes when people breed these hybrids,there are some that look like one of the parents and get pawned off as that because it wasnt the most striking "HYPO/HOG cross,so its sold as hog island.Anyway,they are gone,within minutes,long before you posted here.
There are probably more out ther,not much.Marcus
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Marcus, your honety and civil tone are appreciated. However, I still don't understand how you feel it is justified to traffic in illegal imports. I'm also unclear as to what your statement regarding crossing Hypos and Hoggs had to do with the discussion.

"You may not like what happened.If people would not be crossing all these boas,a person like myself who likes locality boas would feel secure buying a purely bred whatever.Sometimes when people breed these hybrids,there are some that look like one of the parents and get pawned off as that because it wasnt the most striking "HYPO/HOG cross,so its sold as hog island."

Reading between the lines, and this is just my interpretation based on what you have posted, You purchased the Hoggs, didn't know they were illegaly imported, found out they were in essence smuggled in , then turned around and sold them, but don't feel it was wrong because you honestly represented them as WC.

Is that a correct assessment? Do you still think you did nothing wrong? :confused:
 
Wild Caught Hogg Island Boas are coming in....just not exactly from the protected range of Cayos Cochinos
 
shoot i am about as locality as you get but the buying and selling of protected animals is illegal... i have no morphs nor do i wish to. regardless those boas fall in one of the catigories above
a) its a wild caught with inproper paperwork
b) cb being passed of as WC
d) wc and obtained by illegal or other avenues
or
d) wc and has proper doumentayion and CITIES paper work blah blah
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if they did not come from the cayos cochinos and from some other island off of nicaragua... they arent hog island boas... even if they came from a captive breeding program from within honduras or on one of the cays (say by biologist studying the or something) they would still need proper documentation. and for the serious locality keeper the lack of documentation or varifyable info means a whole world of difference. if they can't trace the boa to the last spot it poo'ed in the cayos.. then they do not want it (thats the serious collectors) and now these "wc" hogs will now compromise the validity of any true cbb hog island boas bred to the new "wc" since there is no verifyable info
 
Also no one told the snakes they had to come exactly from the cayos cochinos.......who said there are not other islands within a 100 mile radius that are not protected?
They were all LEGALLY IMPORTED and cleared with USFWS 3-177 and CITIES documents.
They resemble Hogg Islands, but I do not believe they are. I am pretty sure the importers I have talked to say they came out of Islands where they are not protected. Now why would people want to get in trouble over some animals you can find here all over the place and make 20-30 profit and risk going to prison camp? With all the stings and raids, and laws going on, you think they would be smarter? I know they would be. That is why i do not buy these assumptions that they are illegal.
They also may have come out of panama, which has boas on their islands that look similar and I am not talking about Sabogae, of which I know of one importer working on getting paperwork for them.
If they have paperwork, they are 100% LEGAL becuase US does not issue paperwork for IMPORT. Only for exporting. Thus the government of these places would have to approve cities documents and exportation of these animals.
Whats the big deal anyways? I think that the misconceptions and assumptions of almost everyonet hat posted are because the boas are labeled Hogg Island Boas by the sellers due to similarity and ease of sale as people are familiar with them. If a list read Cayo Alejandro or Alex keys Boas, how many pet stores and the like would buy them?
The vast majority went to pet stores.
 
Sam

This is my last reply.You keep using the word illegal in regards to this shipment.It was a legal shipment,which I had nothing to do with.How many people have owned a bearded dragon.Do they have documentation from the original owner or purchaser.You can disect this all day.I give up.They are gone,end of story.Maybe look at the people you might suspect knowingly misrepresenting them as captive bred,with all due respect,I am sorry if I have offended anyone.Good Day,Marcus
 
"Whats the big deal anyways? I think that the misconceptions and assumptions of almost everyonet hat posted are because the boas are labeled Hogg Island Boas by the sellers due to similarity and ease of sale as people are familiar with them."

Michael, I think you answered your own question. The "big deal" is; are these illegal animals, or legal animals being represented as something that they are not?

I'm not passing judgement on anyone, simply trying to get facts and further educate myself.
 
They also may have come out of panama, which has boas on their islands that look similar and I am not talking about Sabogae, of which I know of one importer working on getting paperwork for them.
If they have paperwork, they are 100% LEGAL becuase US does not issue paperwork for IMPORT. Only for exporting. Thus the government of these places would have to approve cities documents and exportation of these animals.
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exactly
some places are closed to export and you can still get animals from these contries, through legal means but those animals are accompanied by the proper CITIES documentation
 
Alot of dealers wont provide cities even with blanked out info so you dont know their suppliers, simply because it can be forged on top of that. Now if they were Komodos, etc, sure they would offer you paperwork after a 30k deposit.:)
 
That's when you get a copy of it from USFWS using the Freedom of Information Act, I think I'll be calling the Miami USFWS tomorrow, I'm interested in where these guys came from and how they legally got here. It woudl be nice if someone would let me know the importer and aprox date. Just so I don't have to drudge through more paperwork then needed with USFWS.

miamireps said:
Alot of dealers wont provide cities even with blanked out info so you dont know their suppliers, simply because it can be forged on top of that. Now if they were Komodos, etc, sure they would offer you paperwork after a 30k deposit.:)
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They resemble Hogg Islands, but I do not believe they are.
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do you know how much more valuable they would be if it was another distinct insular form obtained legally and represented as what they actually are
Alot of dealers wont provide cities even with blanked out info so you dont know their suppliers, simply because it can be forged on top of that. Now if they were Komodos, etc, sure they would offer you paperwork after a 30k deposit
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i have boas here with cities paperwork.. not some super duper expensive animals (certainly not 30k animals) but animals that required CITIES paperwork... and thats exxactly what i got.. my animals with all the proper documentation. it does not matter how much an animal costs if it has to have CITIES documentation it has to have it, period. ANY reputable dealer would have made this available to you. If your dealer is not inclined to give you said paperwork.. then they are not as reputable and honest and therefore you should take your money elsewhere and stay far far away... i personally would not risk my collection with "iffy" animals.
the buying public needs to know what they are buying because apparantly the dealers will not provide these people with this info but they also should educate themselves with the animals and the country of origins rules and regulations, protected areas/habitats, CITIES animals and USFW laws
 
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