Bad Guy Matt Martin-Monster Cages sold fake genetics, and now won't answer for it.

[Angel Rojas]

Because in the ad that the OP pictured a few posts back, it states on the ad itself that full paperwork with photo ID would be provided. If that was the real ad for the snakes in question, why weren't the papers provided?

What ad are you talking about ???

 

[Stone Reptiles]

First your saying he sold you possible Het's for an un[proven gene. Now your saying he guaranteed them even though you and everyone else knows the genes are still not proven?

Matt's past is his past. most of your thread links are from 2002.
You left out all the ones involving Harry.

You can't do business without someone not liking you. Especially in our world. if you did everything you could too please every child like yourself. You'd go out of business.

Please clarify? Your complaining cause he sold you fakes? Because he sold you pos. het. that havn't proven out? Or are you really just being a little child over the fact your big mouth brother was removed from the Kru page?

Seem's to me the last?

 

[Lucille]

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[Stone Reptiles]

What ad are you talking about ???

The one you posted a screen grab of above. Off Matt's site. WTH does that have to do with anything?

 

[Angel Rojas]

Why because there was no paperwork? The paperwork is only as reliable as the person it came from and means little.... The only hets I have ever purchased that came with paper work is a pair of dh blood type 2 anery boas... does that mean the rest of my hets are not truely hets?

I understand some people feel more comfortable with having paperwork, but that doesnt mean that they are not what they are not what the seller states they are..... And how do you write getetics paperwork on unproven genetics...... Possible het? possibly this is a gene that it could be het for?

So JJ, since you mention boas in this above post, I'll use them as an example. Let's say you bought some double het blizzard boas from me. I sold them to you as double het blizzard boas. You breed them, and then call me letting me know what happend and how happy you are........I HIGHLY doubt you would be thrilled to here me say to you....."oh yeah, about those double het blizzards....I never proved it out....."

 

[Angel Rojas]

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Oh ok...But yeah, they didn't come with paperwork. And Mr. Stone, I think it has a lot to do with it. Seeing as how on Matt's OWN COMPANY'S page they were superdwarf het albino......Then magically they are now superdwarf double het blizzards....Can anyone explain to me how snakes magically change their genetics.

 

[Angel Rojas]

First your saying he sold you possible Het's for an un[proven gene. Now your saying he guaranteed them even though you and everyone else knows the genes are still not proven?

Matt's past is his past. most of your thread links are from 2002.
You left out all the ones involving Harry.

You can't do business without someone not liking you. Especially in our world. if you did everything you could too please every child like yourself. You'd go out of business.

Please clarify? Your complaining cause he sold you fakes? Because he sold you pos. het. that havn't proven out? Or are you really just being a little child over the fact your big mouth brother was removed from the Kru page?

Seem's to me the last?

Of course I did, this is not about Harry, and doesn't have anything to do with him.

 

[jj-mitchell]

So JJ, since you mention boas in this above post, I'll use them as an example. Let's say you bought some double het blizzard boas from me. I sold them to you as double het blizzard boas. You breed them, and then call me letting me know what happend and how happy you are........I HIGHLY doubt you would be thrilled to here me say to you....."oh yeah, about those double het blizzards....I never proved it out....."

Sir you have thrown this at me twice now.... let me say again I understand UNPROVEN GENETCS... That being said are trying to insinuate he did not tell you that axanthic was unproven ? And just to get an idea of how badly you were screwed what were the animals that you traded for the dh blizzards worth? and how big were the dh blizzards that you purchased? I would like to take that price and compare it to a pair of het albino sd's........

Now what I am saying is I have purchased unproven genetics and do so cautiously (gambling is gambling in vegas or your snake collection) I personally evaluated the price of simmilar sized albino sd's and the price of his double hets (knowing that they may not be het for anything but albino) and that a double recessive sd retic that should be cleaner (at least in this guys oppenion) than the snow is worth a good chunk of change...... I realized that it was an acceptable gamble.....

I do get what you are insinuating and the only way that you have a legitimate complaint about the genetics of the pair you traded for is if you were unaware of its unproven status...

My point being I still dont see your point

 

[Lucille]

Oh ok...But yeah, they didn't come with paperwork. And Mr. Stone, I think it has a lot to do with it. Seeing as how on Matt's OWN COMPANY'S page they were superdwarf het albino......Then magically they are now superdwarf double het blizzards....Can anyone explain to me how snakes magically change their genetics.

I think that such a change has a lot to do with how a seller is perceived.

The paperwork is only as reliable as the person it came from and means little...

Maybe you are right.

I'd like to hear from the seller as to how this change came about, and why paperwork was not provided as the ad promised it would be.

 

[jj-mitchell]

I personally evaluated the price of simmilar sized albino sd's and the price of his double hets (knowing that they may not be het for anything but albino)

I did mean het albinos lol my fingers dont work as fast as my brain.... and that says something lmao

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Seeing as how on Matt's OWN COMPANY'S page they were superdwarf het albino......Then magically they are now superdwarf double het blizzards....Can anyone explain to me how snakes magically change their genetics.

I wouldn't think magic had anything to do with it. I would assume (and I am assuming since I don't know any of the people involved) that they are SD het albino as was stated in the ad and then he realized (or someone else hypothesized) that the sire might be an axanthic.. therefore, they were now sd poss dh.

You only posted the ad for them as sd het albino, where is the ad when they were sold as dhs? Did the ad say 'unproven' or not? The other people that got involved in the project and that have posted in this thread seem very clear that the genetics were in process of being proven out.


on a side note, people seem to be having less and less patience.

 

[Angel Rojas]

The one you posted a screen grab of above. Off Matt's site. WTH does that have to do with anything?

Since you're so adament about Matt's character....Maybe you can explain his name change, and ALL the other BOI stuff on him

 

[Angel Rojas]

on a side note, people seem to be having less and less patience.

Patience has nothing to do with it, as we would have been happy to wait and hear from Matt. It's just that everytime my brother posted a question as to the findings of the breeding, they were removed. That would make anyone think that something shady is going on

 

[Angel Rojas]

Here's on of Matt's ads....Now everyone, and not all at once, raise your hand if you can see where Matt calls them possible hets or states the the genetics aren't proven....And here's the link to the ad http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/snake-classifieds/569775-retic-morphs-shipped-uk-others.html

 

[Angel Rojas]

And here you are JJ....not once did you call them possible hets, or state that the gentics weren't proven....And it's quite clear that you don't even know their genetics, as there is NO jamp blood in them...smh

 

[jj-mitchell]

LOL thanks for pointing that out...... Now I learned something but I still understand UNPROVEN GENETICS LMFAO

Everytime I spoke to Matt about the pair he told me that the axanthic may not prove out.. If someone can tell me how to pull screen shots like that I can post a simmilar thread from the same time frame where I clearly state that the axanthic is not proven......

Yet it still doesnt change the fact your face book post to matt asked if the eggs hatched and if so if the axanthic had been proven you knew what you were getting into

 

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New SD Retics.... Double Het Blizzard
They are 2009 50% sd's 25% dwarf double het albino and axanthic..... I am amazed by thier personality so much easier than the long term captive sd's I have dealt with.
here is the male Wee-Man



and the female Bridgett the Midget


I know they are nothing special to look @ but they will produce some wicked cool stuff.....
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im sure they will produce some kick ass babies.

has the blizzard been made yet?

never heard of it till now. heck- i dont even know there are axanthic retics. i only knew the different anery lines
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No blizzard has not been made, Matt Martin (who I got these from) has a double het female gravid now, and we should see exactly what it looks like soon... I got a good deal on these because the sd axanthic is not proven (i know the risk of it not being proven not proving out) But they are 100% het for albino and one albino sd baby will get me ahead of what i payed for them. If the axanthic proves out it will have been a solid investment as snows are going for 15k plus, and they still show yellow, the axanthic male that matt has is a solid black and grey snake, and the blizzard should produce a nearly solid white sd retic......

As I said the axanthic is not proven, but i have seen pics of the male and believe there is something going on there.... We will see if it was a decent investment or a great one
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thats what i basically meant. i knew therere some "axanthics" but all are unproven. on top of that have all of these little yellow blotches here and there. of course theyre grey and black and have silver eyes etc, but i havent seen a true axanthic yet.

wether mainland or sd.

anyway- hope urs will prove out. but even if not- sd albinos are my favorit albinos of all sorts. espacially the lav version
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Nice and good luck on the pairing!

( I like your pjs, btw )
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Thanks my kids got me the stewie pj's I love family guy

Yeah I have always liked retics but have no desire for anything that big, my first go round was with wild caught sd's and I enjoyed them to an extent, they were beautiful, but they were not comfortable being handled, and I got tired of basically having snakes that were like a fish tank...

These guys are so amazing personality wise... I still enjoy my ball pythons, and my boas. But these guys are so amazing beautiful active, and they seem to thoroughly enjoy being out of the cage cruising, after the wild caught sd's my kids were terrified of them, and now they even enjoy these guys. I can honestly say I think i have found another favorite
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[jj-mitchell]

Not smart enough to post the pretty pics and such..... but that copy and paste job from Bush league breeders shows that I clearly undersood that axanthic was not proven and there was actually some conversation about it......

I can say one thing I will admit there is a good chance I misunderstood the fact there was no jamp in these... I clearly understood they were 50% sd..... But unlike you you I am willing to admit I made a mistake.....

 

[jj-mitchell]

http://www..net//showthread.php?t=34655
Here is a link if any one wants to see the acuall thread..... coincidence same pic.... He knows these animals more than I did apparently as I misunderstood the locality genetics but still understood UNPROVEN GENETICS LMFAO

 

[maddox]

Ya, I think you had the background wrong, but it sounds more like a misunderstanding on your part. The description you gave made no sense. I believe the small adults you were thinking of were the '07 batch. The parents were a sd male (axanthic) and a 12'+ female (albino). Hence the 50% Superdwarf.
I didn't even buy mine from Matt, I got them secondhand. But I called matt to see if he'd vouch for the snakes, he did, and he gave me all the background. I was very aware of the situation. When did his website not say blizzard? This was 18 months ago and I saw the pics and stuff on his website then.