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Bad Guy Matt Martin-Monster Cages sold fake genetics, and now won't answer for it.

Boys,Boys, why don't we use the time and energy to attack the people who are attacking us and our hobby...most people say I am just paranoid...but watch while we bicker upon ourselves, our government takes more rights away from us while we continue to have our guard down...they already have successfully done so once....it is going to happen again and again if we do not unite together...as for Angel and Matthew, I am sure you two adults can work something out to satisfy both parties...
 
Yes, that site is blocked...and I would suggest not trying too hard to circumvent that. Also, screen shots and copy/pastes of other forum posts set you up for anonymous third party quotation infractions (check the announcements at the top of the BOI for an explanation).
 
hhmoore said:
Yes, that site is blocked...and I would suggest not trying too hard to circumvent that. Also, screen shots and copy/pastes of other forum posts set you up for anonymous third party quotation infractions (check the announcements at the top of the BOI for an explanation).
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Got it! will not try again..... and I apologize I merely wanted to show that the conversation revolved around me acknowledging that I understood the morph genetics..... I will openly admit I am not a huge wealth of retic knowledge and misunderstood the locality....

Again thanks for explaining that to me
 
The Op originally asked if the genetics proved out.

Everything else the Op is trying to crap shoot here to make him look like the winner, fails.

You obviously knew they were un proven. you ASKED if it showed up..

Sigh.
 
LOL at the "evidence" posted by the OP. I read these threads almost on a daily and never post on them. But this is just hilarious. People ask him questions and he just posts up these random screen shots that proove absolutely nothing.
 
Looky looky what i found. Don't know how to do the screenshot thing so copied and pasted from my email search.

On 10/17/2011 6:27 PM, Matthew Martin wrote:
> Well yearling SD het albinos are $1500-2000 or so also and if they prove out the pair is going to worth alot more. Limited time cash price on the Dh blizzards are only $3k so i can pick up another animal. Nothing else you are going to make darker SD albinos than most can which will make the SD albinos sell easier than others too.

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Lol awesome! For a screen shot hit the button that says "Print screen" on the right hand side of your keyboard above the number pad. Then paste it in "Paint" or some other random program that allows pictures and save it.
 
Once again Matt, if that's your real name, I go to my original post....When my brother posted on your page asking about the outcome to the breeding, why was his posts deleted....Oh yeah, that's right, you blamed that on some one else. Someone who didn't have any right to do so, as it was a question directed at YOU, on YOUR page, about YOUR animals. And I could care less about what everyone else here thinks as I'm quite sure if they were to post on a breeders page about animals they got from that breeder, and their posts were deleted with no word or answer from the breeder, they would think something shady was up too
 
mattie92479 said:
Boys,Boys, why don't we use the time and energy to attack the people who are attacking us and our hobby...most people say I am just paranoid...but watch while we bicker upon ourselves, our government takes more rights away from us while we continue to have our guard down...they already have successfully done so once....it is going to happen again and again if we do not unite together...as for Angel and Matthew, I am sure you two adults can work something out to satisfy both parties...
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It sounds like you think the BOI on this site is a diversion of valuable time and energy when parties disagree.
I don't feel this way.
Should the reptile community have more unity? Undoubtedly. Does this mean a person who feels aggrieved by a transaction should just shut up? No. Angel has some issues he has brought here, whether one agrees with them or not they should not be swept under the table.
 
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I would be very interested to see proof of this. Particularly the portion where you inform him you were recording it and got his consent to continue.
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I would be very interested to give you proof that the law clearly states, that as long as one party in the conversation know its being recorded, then its legal. His consent was not needed
 
Here you go. And because Matt lives in the state of Minnesota, which only requires ONE party to know the conversation is being recorded, its legal. There were 2 parties in the convo, my brother and matt, and my brother knew the call was being recorded......That's all that's needed....a simple Google search, and I'm sure you won't need any more proof.
 

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Matt, that email was sent to me....please post an email where you told my brother that the genetics weren't proven... And you have yet to answer my question, so I will repeat it..... How did these snakes magically become double het blizzards, when you started selling them as het albino.... A friend of mine has a nice yellow pastel ball python, given your logic because the ball has high yellow, he should sell it as a het albino right
 
Angel Rojas said:
Matt, that email was sent to me....please post an email where you told my brother that the genetics weren't proven... And you have yet to answer my question, so I will repeat it..... How did these snakes magically become double het blizzards, when you started selling them as het albino.... A friend of mine has a nice yellow pastel ball python, given your logic because the ball has high yellow, he should sell it as a het albino right
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So again. Your circling with nothing.
Your trying to destroy a person over the fact that someone else in his group thought your brother was a retard (NO idea where that idea would come from???) so your starting a BOI.

That e-mail above that Matt quoted clearly states he said they were un proven.

NOT to mention. If you openly purchased SD Blizazard pair for 3k. and truthfully thought they were proven. Your an idiot.

But you seem to acknowledge you knew they were pos. Het. Than circle back around.
Maybe they changed because after the breeding he discovered it was possible they had other genetics? Or maybe your linking too completely different animals.
It's highly unlikely. but some snakes do look alike..
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