Bad Guy Matt Oakley

[Gary O]

I know Criag and he is a fair guy. He would not complain at all if it was one or two of the rodents off. It is hard to meet Rodent Pros wieghts but you should be able to meet the wieghts that are posted in an ad.

Criag, If if you ever need us to pick up some rodents let me know. We see Casey(Rodent Pro) twice a month. We can pick it up and bring it to Taylor. That might help on shipping bro.

 

[craig kade]

That would be awesome, I usually rent a cargo Van but that sux, whole day wasted, this was just kind of an emergency thing. I needed a few odds and ends. I am glad I did not place a $4000.00 dollar order with this guy and get ripped.

 

[Casey Hulse]

(casey you know those little cinnys I bring to the show? those males from July? they ate em no problem

Well if your 08' bps are eating xl rats, then you need to raise the prices for sure I feed xl rats to my adult male boas.

I know Criag and he is a fair guy. He would not complain at all if it was one or two of the rodents off.

I would agree Gary.

 

[Seamus Haley]

By this guys logic, he could include a few mice that could be BONES. Hardly worth even feeding, and a few decent ones, and since the whole bag equalled however much weight.... it would be legit. Pretty scummy if you ask me.

Given a weight range associated with a size, I can see double checking the weight of bags to ensure that they are close to the average weight that would be appropriate- and possibly throwing in a couple extra rodents if the bag consists of animals which are on the smaller side of the listed range.

What I cannot see is sorting the bags in such a fashion that there would be any rodents that are outside of the listed weight range for the size. They shouldn't be smaller or larger than advertised, since people will order the most appropriate size for their animals.

He's also flunking junior high physics.

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

I don't believe that Matt produces any of the rodents he sells. I have seen him at the Havre De Grace show towing around multiple coolers. There is no way he can control the sizes/quantities of rodents he doesn't produce.

Obviously from this statement you haven't been in my rodent room. I have over 275 LIVE rats which I breed for my own collection. With less than half of these being females (lets say 100) I could produce 1000+ rats every 3 weeks! And that's not even counting the offspring that were produced breeding. Anyone who breeds rats knows that younger females avarage about 13 pups each litter. Producing 1000+ rats every 3 weeks is over 17,000 rats a year that I could produce(this figure also does not include breeding the offspring produced). So, you are definitely wrong about how many rats you think I can produce.
~Matt Oakley

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

Also, if anyone wants to find out more about who I am and how serious I am about what I do I have a myspace:

myspace.com/matthew160 or search for me under [email protected]

Look at my pics and read my profile.

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

... so?

Freezing will change many of the liquids in the body into solids but it doesn't inherently add or subtract any mass from the amount of matter that's present. The volume may change, the mass won't.

They'd weigh the same frozen or freshly thawed.

I've worked in a seafood department for the last 6 years and deal with frozen product everyday. A frozen 2lb bag of shrimp will weigh approx 2.40lbs but when thawed will weigh 2lbs. The reason I thought of this is because I weighed some today so, frezing does make a difference with a solids weight also especially since people for example are 70% water!!

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Maybe Seth's statement should have been "doesn't produce all of the rodents he sells"? I was told you buy left overs from others as well when I inquired on your rodent breeding through the local reptile vine.

 

[Seamus Haley]

I've worked in a seafood department for the last 6 years and deal with frozen product everyday. A frozen 2lb bag of shrimp will weigh approx 2.40lbs but when thawed will weigh 2lbs. The reason I thought of this is because I weighed some today so, frezing does make a difference with a solids weight also especially since people for example are 70% water!!

... only if some of that water weighed with the frozen object is unassociated with the thawed object. Frozen shrimp tend to be sitting in bags with a load of loose ice. When thawed, that loose ice is drained away and not measured.

Freezing does not make a difference in the weight. The mass is the same, the gravity is the same, the weight is the same. Your grasp of the physics behind this are ridiculously wrong.

The plain facts are that you were selling rodents labeled as being a specific weight and sent rodents which were not. You ripped off your customer by sending a product they did not order. You should fix that.

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

I copy and pasted my rodent pro order, I ordered weaned, I assume that is hopper on your ad. Unfortunately I had fed off most of the weaned but the 60 I had left weighed 633grams or 10.55 grams each your ad says Hoppers~~~~~~$.45~~~~~8-12g~~~~50 for $22.50 So I would say those are right on par, unless they lost weight in shipping too???The weanlings I could have cared less about 7 grams, 5 grams, 13 grams, I assume xl mice are larger then large and I assume XL rats are larger then other places mediums. The worst part about your shipping was def. the loose rats, those were the only thing completely thawed. On the plus side since I fed those"Xl rats" to some of my 08 ball pythons I guess now I can say my 08 balls eat xl frozen thawed rats(casey you know those little cinnys I bring to the show? those males from July? they ate em no problem) I admit to not reading your ad in full, no doubt it is misleading to call those XL but to not even meet your own very low standards is ridiculous. The mice your shipped you even admitted in email were smaller then advertised. It would be like me advertising an adult male ball python 120 grams then shipping a 100 gram ball. Even in your great testimonials there is a complaint about being shorted I figured all that needed to be posted was the sizes and prices. As far as not sending you a link here immediately that was my bad, I figured somebody found the kingsnake post and had it pulled within an hr. you would figure to look here ecspecially after I said I would let everyone know how I was treated, I should have sent you a link sooner though. Craig Kade

I sent you 390 rodents and you're complaining becaues 10 were not in a bag. I was trying to use the space in the box as efficiently as I could. I sorry that that bothered you so much but if you have as many snakes as you say I doubt if it caused you any trouble.

Also, you say your 08' balls ate them, unless they're 1000g+ or you picked out the smallest ones that's not true. I weighed each of the bags of rats I sent you and all were above the minimum weight multiplied by the amount that I was in the bag.

In my e-mail I stated that the mice were the largest ones I had at the time. You have the rodents now so it's not like I can say anythign about them. It's like you shipping a snake to someone ant the say it had mites or URI when you know it didn't when you shipped it...

I didn't write the ad to be misleading, I wrote it expecting people to read it. I don't know why I expected that when I get e-mails everyday asking me questions that have already been answered in the ad. I expected people to place orders by their weights, not by what size they are called since everyone's definition can be different.

As far as shorting the guy, yes, I was one mouse off and I refunded him the price of that mouse. I dont believe you cut that off because all that the post needed was sizes and prices, you knew that positive feedback from prior satisfied customers wouldn't look good on your complaint...

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

... only if some of that water weighed with the frozen object is unassociated with the thawed object. Frozen shrimp tend to be sitting in bags with a load of loose ice. When thawed, that loose ice is drained away and not measured.

Freezing does not make a difference in the weight. The mass is the same, the gravity is the same, the weight is the same. Your grasp of the physics behind this are ridiculously wrong.

The plain facts are that you were selling rodents labeled as being a specific weight and sent rodents which were not. You ripped off your customer by sending a product they did not order. You should fix that.

You say that without seeing the rats at all, so how can you say either way?? I weighed all 140 of those rats and each bag was above the minimum weight for that size that I have stated in the ad. With me actually being there and seeing that I know they were no way smaller than what the ad states. Yes, I do only go by the average weight of each bag but all of the rats in the bags are rougly the same size so like I said SOME might have been lower than the minimum but others had to be above the max weight to average those out. It's no way that most of them were smaller than the minimum weigh stated in the ad. And f.y.i. I got a B in college english...

 

[SPJ]

you're complaining becaues 10 were not in a bag.

That is completely unacceptable.
I would have called you and reamed you a new one and posted a bad guy thread as well if I had an order show up with undersize feeders and some of them loose in the box.

I have been watching your ads lately (you know the "collection reductions ads for the past year ) and had considered purchasing but if you can't send the right size feeders or even pack them correctly, I would never take a chance on buying an expensive BP from you.

You need to stop making excuses and give this guy a full refund and examine your shipping and weighing practices to prevent this from happening in the future.

 

[Seamus Haley]

You say that without seeing the rats at all, so how can you say either way?? I weighed all 140 of those rats and each bag was above the minimum weight for that size that I have stated in the ad. With me actually being there and seeing that I know they were no way smaller than what the ad states. Yes, I do only go by the average weight of each bag but all of the rats in the bags are rougly the same size so like I said SOME might have been lower than the minimum but others had to be above the max weight to average those out. It's no way that most of them were smaller than the minimum weigh stated in the ad. And f.y.i. I got a B in college english...

Someone asked me directly what I thought about the idea of weighing out bags of rodents, the way crickets are sold... With an average weight noted and then just heaping them in there until the weight is met.

It works when buying 30,000 insects. It doesn't work when buying or selling rodents.

The size of a prey item matters a great deal to people keeping snakes, there's a very specific range that makes for an appropriately sized prey item and too large or too small makes it impossible for the person to use for the intended purpose. While it's not wrong to weigh a bag as a quick means of making sure they're getting a fair value, counting the rats and then dividing the weight by that number is not going to be an accurate assessment of the weight (and usefulness) of the individual rats.

Mathematically, having the bag meet the average weight also doesn't indicate that some *must* have been over the maximum weight. It indicates that some were higher than the average weight and some were lower- how far off in either direction any individual rodent is, it changes the leeway allowed for others in determining that average weight.

Further, I'd be just as angry to get feeders that are too large as I would be to get them too small. Both are equally useless and equally not what were ordered.

If you think the weight disparity is due to a bad scale... measuring inaccurately, then say so and request some third party confirmation. But given your own descriptions of your practices for measuring them and your attempt to claim they weighed less when thawed (I'm going to call that a Scolaroargument), I am left thinking you probably screwed up.

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

That is completely unacceptable.
I would have called you and reamed you a new one and posted a bad guy thread as well if I had an order show up with undersize feeders and some of them loose in the box.

I have been watching your ads lately (you know the "collection reductions ads for the past year ) and had considered purchasing but if you can't send the right size feeders or even pack them correctly, I would never take a chance on buying an expensive BP from you.

You need to stop making excuses and give this guy a full refund and examine your shipping and weighing practices to prevent this from happening in the future.

I have many many positive references and I posted almost 10 in my responce. I wouldn't have been doing this for the past 5 years without you hearing of me being a bad guy before now. Now one can screw people for this long and everyone in the reptile community not know about it, and why would I start now?? That makes absolutely no sence.

You say that assuming evering he said was true. If that was the case I would have never said anything back. I already had people write things in the boi about me stating that I was a good guy (It's actually a couple of lines under this bad guy thing). And I dont even have anything to say to the affect of giving him a full refund (that's crazy to anyones standerds) especially if you know you weighed the animals before they were sent and they WERE within the weight range that I have listed in my ad. If the rodents I sent were so unsatifactory Craig would have sent them back and asked for a fefund instead of feeding them to his animals...

 

[jasballs]

I have many many positive references and I posted almost 10 in my responce. I wouldn't have been doing this for the past 5 years without you hearing of me being a bad guy before now. Now one can screw people for this long and everyone in the reptile community not know about it, and why would I start now?? That makes absolutely no sence.

You say that assuming evering he said was true. If that was the case I would have never said anything back. I already had people write things in the boi about me stating that I was a good guy (It's actually a couple of lines under this bad guy thing). And I dont even have anything to say to the affect of giving him a full refund (that's crazy to anyones standerds) especially if you know you weighed the animals before they were sent and they WERE within the weight range that I have listed in my ad. If the rodents I sent were so unsatifactory Craig would have sent them back and asked for a fefund instead of feeding them to his animals...

Matt, You have also been selling off your Collection for the last 5 years it seems?? Are you really selling them ALL off? Or just selling the new ones you buy each week as your collection?

 

[EastCoastReptiles171]

Matt, You have also been selling off your Collection for the last 5 years it seems?? Are you really selling them ALL off? Or just selling the new ones you buy each week as your collection?

It says collection Reduction Sale... I'm not selling off my collection. I'm a breeder and currently own well over 100 snakes. If I have new animals for sale, I ad them to the list. I hardly see how long I use the title of my ad to be something worth criticizm.

 

[roadking]

Good Transactions

I usually don't post on these BOI's as they seem to turn into witchhunts. But I have to add my 2 cents. I've met Matt and traded with him 3 times over the past 2 years for 100's of his rats. Our last transaction was about 3 weeks ago and I was pleased with the size, packaging, and condition of the rats. I really don't believe Matt would knowingly try to cut corners or short change anyone. He impressed me as a very personable and stand up guy and I plan to get more rats from Matt in the near future.

Allan Shultz

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

He said he weighed all 140 of the rodents, but before, he said he did not weigh them individually. HOW exactly... do you sell rodents of a CERTAIN size. You may as well sell bags of RANDOM animals dependant solely upon weight!

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

He said he weighed all 140 of the rodents, but before, he said he did not weigh them individually. HOW exactly... do you sell rodents of a CERTAIN size. Without Weighing each one, as you said earlier, but then only upon how much each bag weighs? You may as well sell bags of RANDOM animals dependant solely upon weight!

I mean.... ^^^

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

If the rodents I sent were so unsatifactory Craig would have sent them back and asked for a fefund instead of feeding them to his animals...

How when there was no dry ice, and he would have to pay shipping back?

I think you are full of it. Post pics of your rats that you are breeding. Prove that you breed the rats you do, lets see your setups for these hundreds of rats, and all the grow out enclosures, with rats inside of different sizes. Put a piece of paper with the date on it, so we know they are your images. That might lend you some credibility. But you still need to get your PROPER SIZED ANIMALS YOU HAVE FOR SALE AS FEEDERS, down.

If someone buys animals of a CERTAIN GRAM weight, they better get animals WITHIN that range. Not less than, with animals enough in a bag to Equal up to it.... Not Bigger animals that equal the bags weight for THOSE SPECIFIC size animals. They better get, within absolute reason, individual animals that are WITHIN those weight ranges!