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Bad Guy MATT OAKLEY

Has anything been accomplished by the posting? I'm not trying to put down either party, but their has been no reconcilation of any kind from what i have read. It just keeps going on and on about Matt Oakley. Yes he shipped the animal VERY incorrectley, hell i even know that and im an amature. The animal was sick, infested with mites from what else i have read. We all get the point as to not buy from him until he proves himself otherwise. I see these posting now just bashing him... I think we all get the point and this thread needs to just get locked, and it is here to stay forever so there is no need to keep on.
 
Southern Wolf said:
Im sorry.... but I never made it past the second paragraph.

I learned all I need to know there.

Your listing an animal for sale that:
1... isn't even at your place
2... isn't even the animal that is for sale.

This just reeks of scam artist.

So tell me again why I should buy anything from you :shrug01:
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haha - this just keeps getting better everyday :)
 
Helenthereef said:
Actually I do think that the vet's report should probably outweigh a couple of photographs as far as the original complaint goes, and it does seem that no one wants to address that.

I am WELL outside this picture (not even in the USA and do not do business with anyone), but I have gone to his adverts and the clean healthy shots outnumber the wet cage shots.

Can anyone comment on the original problem? (Mites / Respiratory infection)
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You might want to research a little more ! There are a lot more bad then good ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
 
For those lost in this Novel (have we reached the magic 20 pages yet?) here are the vet reports and receipts on the original snake. Do these support the buyer or seller?:confused:


(From buyer)
2kdime said:
For those who were requesting this information here it is. The first three pages are the snake's history report. Beginning 6/30 and ending 9/9/09. The last three are paid receipts.

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Helenthereef said:
For those lost in this Novel (have we reached the magic 20 pages yet?) here are the vet reports and receipts on the original snake. Do these support the buyer or seller?:confused:


(From buyer)
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everything i read from 7-3 and later shows the snake had resp problems. read carefully lol. and even given certian injections the snake was still breathing with open mouth and having mucus bubbles. come on now... it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out does it? i agree with the buyer.
 
xanaxez said:
everything i read from 7-3 and later shows the snake had resp problems. read carefully lol. and even given certian injections the snake was still breathing with open mouth and having mucus bubbles. come on now... it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out does it? i agree with the buyer.
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snake got exited and regurgitated liquid and mucus? the snake was sick prior to being shipped out lol.
 
scaledverts said:
All of that being said, Trevor I have a some questions for you. Looking over the vet reports in detail shows me that during both of the initial visits, both recorded on 7/1/09, the vet found that the snake appeared normal and healthy and that there was no need for treatment for a respiratory infection at this time. Not until two FULL weeks later did the vet run the tests by taking oral swabs from the snake but only because you insisted that it be done (the notes say you requested the tests). It IS possible to over-treat a snake and cause more problems than were originally there. Fenbendazole (panacur) in particular can have drastic effects if the animal is not kept hydrated during treatment (not to mention it has NOTHING to do with a respiratory issue, the vet was merely broad spectrum treating for parasites). Looking at the reports in their entirety I see that you and the vet tried a total of 3 different medications within ~3 weeks and then finally moving to baytril during the final stages. This is a lot of antibiotics to be pushing through an animal. The vet also never notes mites on the snake until the 13th (again two weeks later). I also agree with other posters that looking over the posts from the other ball python forum, I see no mites on this snake at the time of the photos.

TWO WEEKS is a lifetime for a snake to develop problems. Please explain your quarantine procedures so we can make sure that there is not a possibility that during quarantine the snake got too cold etc. I have very little experience with bloods, however I have seen snakes develop respiratory wheezes REALLY quickly. Also, just to make sure we are on the same page blood pythons are, by their very nature, very "hissy" and this is not a sign of a respiratory infection.

I am just trying to reconcile the issues I have with the treatment of the snake and the claims that the snake was sick when it arrived but the vet noted that it appeared normal and healthy. And that's coming from a vet.
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Did you actually read the vet reports or did you just see "animal got excited and regurgitated liquid?

xanaxez said:
snake got exited and regurgitated liquid and mucus? the snake was sick prior to being shipped out lol.
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Reread the above post and help me reconcile the discrepancies! I for one DO NOT think that the snake was sick or had mites upon arrival.
 
scaledverts said:
Did you actually read the vet reports or did you just see "animal got excited and regurgitated liquid?



Reread the above post and help me reconcile the discrepancies! I for one DO NOT think that the snake was sick or had mites upon arrival.
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by the post above.... the initail exam was on 6-30? 7-1 its reguging with mucus? let me read all the way back through this thread and see the intial date the snake was first seen. as from the copys that keep getting posted 6-30 to 7-1 is hardly 2 weeks.
 
It is unclear what happened on the 30th...there are no notes from a Doctor...it seems that every other time the animal was brought in, the doctor made clear notes in the patients chart. This leads me to believe the animal wasn't actually seen by a vet on the 30th...?
 
scaledverts said:
Did you actually read the vet reports or did you just see "animal got excited and regurgitated liquid?

yes i did. and there are more than one statement on the exam for 7-1. look at it closesly lol

Reread the above post and help me reconcile the discrepancies! I for one DO NOT think that the snake was sick or had mites upon arrival.
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Originally Posted by scaledverts
All of that being said, Trevor I have a some questions for you. Looking over the vet reports in detail shows me that during both of the initial visits, both recorded on 7/1/09, the vet found that the snake appeared normal and healthy and that there was no need for treatment for a respiratory infection at this time. Not until two FULL weeks later did the vet run the tests by taking oral swabs from the snake but only because you insisted that it be done (the notes say you requested the tests). It IS possible to over-treat a snake and cause more problems than were originally there. Fenbendazole (panacur) in particular can have drastic effects if the animal is not kept hydrated during treatment (not to mention it has NOTHING to do with a respiratory issue, the vet was merely broad spectrum treating for parasites). Looking at the reports in their entirety I see that you and the vet tried a total of 3 different medications within ~3 weeks and then finally moving to baytril during the final stages. This is a lot of antibiotics to be pushing through an animal. The vet also never notes mites on the snake until the 13th (again two weeks later). I also agree with other posters that looking over the posts from the other ball python forum, I see no mites on this snake at the time of the photos.

TWO WEEKS is a lifetime for a snake to develop problems. Please explain your quarantine procedures so we can make sure that there is not a possibility that during quarantine the snake got too cold etc. I have very little experience with bloods, however I have seen snakes develop respiratory wheezes REALLY quickly. Also, just to make sure we are on the same page blood pythons are, by their very nature, very "hissy" and this is not a sign of a respiratory infection.

I am just trying to reconcile the issues I have with the treatment of the snake and the claims that the snake was sick when it arrived but the vet noted that it appeared normal and healthy. And that's coming from a vet.


the vet also stated on 7-1 that there was a oral swab preformed on 7-1. how is that 2 weeks later from initial visit of 6-30.
 
I dont know the op or the seller. And I do however believe the shipping job was just downright horrible. I dont believe the snake was sick on arrival. Most people would not post pics and threads like this when they get a sick snake that they just spent 500 on.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96664

He says nothing about mites or r.i in this post
 
JordanAng420 said:
It is unclear what happened on the 30th...there are no notes from a Doctor...it seems that every other time the animal was brought in, the doctor made clear notes in the patients chart. This leads me to believe the animal wasn't actually seen by a vet on the 30th...?
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that i cant answer either lol. but the vet made 2 staments on 7-1. one the snaked looked and appeared healthy , then another stating the regurge and bubbles after he gave a oral exam on 7-1. the buyer didnt get the snaked until 6-30 so i myself cant see a snake regurging liquds and mucus the next day if not sick prior to shipping. the doctor also states a few days later the snake still looked healthy but did have resp problems lol
 
xanaxez said:
by the post above.... the initail exam was on 6-30? 7-1 its reguging with mucus? let me read all the way back through this thread and see the intial date the snake was first seen. as from the copys that keep getting posted 6-30 to 7-1 is hardly 2 weeks.
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You are telling me that you have never had a snake regurge fluid when you were restraining it and holding its mouth open? The vet did not say ANYTHING about respiratory issues until then other than the owner reporting open mouth breathing. And since the owner/buyer has not come back on here to answer the questions regarding the vets statements I don't think that this snake had any respiratory issues until 13-July (14 days = 2 weeks).
 
JordanAng420 said:
It is unclear what happened on the 30th...there are no notes from a Doctor...it seems that every other time the animal was brought in, the doctor made clear notes in the patients chart. This leads me to believe the animal wasn't actually seen by a vet on the 30th...?
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The vet notes that one of the 7/1 visits was actually on 6/30.
 
scaledverts said:
You are telling me that you have never had a snake regurge fluid when you were restraining it and holding its mouth open? The vet did not say ANYTHING about respiratory issues until then other than the owner reporting open mouth breathing. And since the owner/buyer has not come back on here to answer the questions regarding the vets statements I don't think that this snake had any respiratory issues until 13-July (14 days = 2 weeks).
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as for the op i cant answer lol. but the vet also stated that after the regurge the snake had open mouth breathing and bubbles for a while after. and to answer the question, no i have never had one regurge liquids after restraining it, much less have bubbles and open mouth breeding for a while.
 
xanaxez said:
as for the op i cant answer lol. but the vet also stated that after the regurge the snake had open mouth breathing and bubbles for a while after. and to answer the question, no i have never had one regurge liquids after restraining it, much less have bubbles and open mouth breeding for a while.
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REALLY???

And I said restrain and opening the mouth during an examination! If you have never had a snake regurge because you were messing with it too soon after eating then you are lucky.
 
Matthew

He is hard to deal with cause he is too busy trying to be a pimp daddy or something. I tried to buy a pair of BT cribos from him a while back and he'd never tell me where to send payment or even reply in a week or so. I dropped the deal as I figured if you can't get him to send him $$$ - you sure won't get him if something goes wrong.

On the mite thingy.....I know I'll get blasted for this but here goes - I use 5% seven dust. I put it in the cage and on the snake. I remove water of course. Leave it a week. Clean the snake and hydrate - clean the cage of the seven and repeat in a week. Kills mites and their eggs. Never had an issue and I use it on sensitive stuff like green rats and zonata.
 
I think the vet reports say it all. The snake looked healthy and normal.
Also , I see NO mites on the snake.
It could be all the treatments and rough handling by the vet stressed an animal that had just been shipped (already stressed). I believe the snake was ok when it arrived. The shipping method was questionable , but not the downfall of the animal.
That being said , I would work out some sort of partial refund and move on.
Anybody looking to make a quick buck wouldn't find selling reptiles a viable option.
Someone on the MVF said it best." Know how to make a small fortune on Chondros? Start with a large fortune!"
 
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