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Well let's go to Mr. Webster for a definition of mediation:
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"a mediating, intercession or friendly intervention, usually by consent or invitation, for settling differences between persons, nations, etc."
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How about the word 'mediate' itself?
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"1. to settle by mediation; to bring about by intervention.
2. to be the medium for bringing about (a result), conveying (an object), communicating (information), etc."
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People will come to the BOI, by their own consent to tell of a situation they have been in, are presently in, or perhaps will be in, involving another party.  Normally they are consenting to the people frequenting this board to provide them with guidance, opinions, help, or advice on the matter.  In other instances, it is the public exposure of wrong doing that they hope will prod along the other party to do 'the right thing', whatever, in their opinion, that may be.  In some instances, the other party will get involved as well, and in some cases, a satisfactory resolution will be reached between both parties. In any event, even without a satisfactory resolution, people reading the information provided will form their own opinions about the people taking part in the attempted resolution.  In nearly all cases, the BOI, acting mediatorially, may have helped one or more persons by providing the medium to have this information publicly displayed.

Does that help you understand, Jeff, what 'mediation' means?

I hope this helps you a bit.


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The BOI was not designed to do this.  
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Oh, well pray tell, if you know what the BOI was designed for, and I don't, then please enlighten me.  I must be confused about whom designed it and what his intentions were.......

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Do I have a better idea?  Yes, I actually do.  
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We are still all ears...........

Oh, and one last quote from another message:
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Unfortunately, it has become a place of accusations and poor mediation attempts.  If everyone would use it as it was intended that would be great.  I am currently being criticized in another thread by a person who claims he never received something he purchased from me.  I admitted fault in the matter for not shipping the item timely, yet I am still being blasted.  I posted the tracking numbers in the thread, posted an ad on Kingsnake with my phone number, and emailed all the affected parties.  My point is, the board is being used in an improper manner against me (and certainly others).  
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Me thinks your concerns are rather self centered, are they not?  How about a show of hands from those people whom think the BOI is unfair?  Now, let's look to see whom those hands belong to..........
 
"Mediation being done by past, present, or future customers?  Mediation should be done by an unbiased party.  If somebody pays somebody else for a product or service, they are intitled to the item.  If they fail to receive the item or the item was not sent as described, then they need to take appropriate action to recover their loss.  The BOI was not designed to do this. "

Jeff, I think they call what you are referring to as court.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>  I've seen threads on this BOI that were resolved before it was taken this far. I've also seen threads that were not resolved and then taken to court. While the BOI did not solve that last situations problem it did place a warning with others before they made a purchase thereby saving them the court problems later on. Job accomplished.

You stated that you don't get online much. I'm an internet junkie and the psychotic behavior you see from time to time in some threads is common in online forums like this and also on online mailing lists. The secret is to not get personally involved, hit the delete  button (or don't open the thread in this case), and it will go away.

Public Opinion. If your a local car mechanic (as an example) and a customer has an issue he tells his friends and associates. That is all this board is for (except herp related). Course, it's magnified 100 times due to the volume of traffic generated here.  Be that good or bad, it's fact.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do I have a better idea?  Yes, I actually do.  Webslave, if you disagree with me, that is entirely your right.  I just don't understand the questions you have asked me. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  I can't speak for webslave.....  but let me try to clarify it.  It seems you have somekind of idea of the way you want this board to go or you have an idea of what you think this baord was designed to do....  and if you DO have a better idea....then like the man says..."we are all ears".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The BOI was not designed to do this. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
kindly tell the designer and owner of the board what this board is REALLY for.


I did not start this thread to thrash anyone.
I started this thread to point out two different companies (persons) that seemed to be just one company (person).  I included the necessary links and information.

I then proceeded to try and excite the person into making a mistake and exposing himself.  (They often do).

Then people started saying that I should have done my research and e-mailed Matt and Barry, and asked if they were the same person or not.  (I guess they think that every "thief" out there would easily break down sobbing and confessing their crimes.  Also I guess including all the links and info was not enough.)
 
Still waiting, Jeff.

On a side note, I think way too many people here are way too uptight. I understand being serious about your reptiles. As I am very serious about mine. However, what good does it do to take seriousness too far? To the point that it no longer beomes enjoyable. Tell me, what harm does having and/or employing a little levity do? Granted there are extreme cases of levity itself going too far here. But that does not excuse taking opinions opposite of yours personal. Given, we all have a right to express our individual thoughts. Certain people here make it seem that if anyone uses a little humor to express themselves, that they are then not credible. Not taking it seriously. That's a crock of bs. If you have to take seriousness to that extent, then you have no business being here or in the reptile industry in the first place. Because if you do have to take it that far, then you have forgotten the basis of herpetoculture. And that is to learn about and enjoy the reptiles you keep. Or if you have not forgotten it, then you've given it a lower priority in your life. These are my thoughts. Take them how you will.

Have a nice day!!!   <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Webslave,

My apologies for including this question here, but it doesn't justify a new thread, and it's related to the functioning of the BOI.

Just out of curiosity, why do we still have the Jennifer Curran thread (that has been "dead" for a while) on top of the list while the James Thornton thread (which has not been resolved yet) was allowed to sink to the bottom?

Regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Daniel,

Let's call it 'executive privilege'.  Jennifer still owes *me* money on the bad check she gave me.  With no one adding messages, there is a good chance she will fade off of the radar screen for most people.  I *personally* do not want that to happen.  I think I am entitled to take a liberty here or there on this board.

James Thornton, however, with the threads by, to, and about Neil and his store's breakins, is not likely to fade out of the limelight anytime soon.  So allocating the space at the top of the forum seemed to me to be a waste of space being where it was located.

If my reasoning is in error, I can certainly fix that if public opinion weighs against me.

I hope that explains it sufficiently....
 
Well,

Thanks for the straightforward answer, which sounds more than reasonable to me. I didn't remember your personal problem with Jennifer. Anyways, if you feel like it delete both my posts and your reply as they don't pertein to this post.

Thanks,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
First off, I am not trying to start an argument with anyone here.  Webslave and Ritchie, I apologize if I have taken the wrong approach.  I am merely saying that some users are abusing the BOI, and there are other ways to resolve conflicts.

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Well let's go to Mr. Webster for a definition of mediation:
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"a mediating, intercession or friendly intervention, usually by consent or invitation, for settling differences between persons, nations, etc."



How about the word 'mediate' itself?
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"1. to settle by mediation; to bring about by intervention.
2. to be the medium for bringing about (a result), conveying (an object), communicating (information), etc."



People will come to the BOI, by their own consent to tell of a situation they have been in, are presently in, or perhaps will be in, involving another party.  Normally they are consenting to the people frequenting this board to provide them with guidance, opinions, help, or advice on the matter.  In other instances, it is the public exposure of wrong doing that they hope will prod along the other party to do 'the right thing', whatever, in their opinion, that may be.  In some instances, the other party will get involved as well, and in some cases, a satisfactory resolution will be reached between both parties. In any event, even without a satisfactory resolution, people reading the information provided will form their own opinions about the people taking part in the attempted resolution.  In nearly all cases, the BOI, acting mediatorially, may have helped one or more persons by providing the medium to have this information publicly displayed.

Does that help you understand, Jeff, what 'mediation' means?
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Absolutely.  If one did not know what a mediator or mediation was, this would certainly clear up any questions.  I never did question what a mediator was--I questioned the role the BOI plays.
I checked with your friend (Mr. Webster) so I had a better understanding of the word inquiry.
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in·quir·y   Pronunciation Key  (n-kwr, nkwr, nkw-r, ng-) also en·quir·y (n-kwr, nkw-r)
n. pl. in·quir·ies
1. The act of inquiring.
2. A question; a query.
3. A close examination of a matter in a search for information or truth.
Synonyms: inquiry, inquest, inquisition, investigation, probe, research
These nouns denote a quest for knowledge, data, or truth: filed an inquiry about the lost shipment; holding an inquest to determine the cause of his death; an inquisition into her political activities; a criminal investigation; a probe into alleged police corruption; scientific research.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
By this definition, I understand the BOI to be a resource for the mediation process, but not a place for mediation.  Who is the mediator on the BOI?  Is it one person?  Is it several?  Is that party unbiased?  

I agree that resolutions can be reached here, but what if they aren't?  Threads can go on and on for no apparent reason other than a few individuals have nothing better to do with their time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, well pray tell, if you know what the BOI was designed for, and I don't, then please enlighten me.  I must be confused about whom designed it and what his intentions were.......</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Webslave, I apologize.  I did not know what your intentions were.  I took the word inquiry at it's most basic definition.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Me thinks your concerns are rather self centered, are they not?  How about a show of hands from those people whom think the BOI is unfair?  Now, let's look to see whom those hands belong to..........</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, my concerns are not self centerd.  I care about the herp community a great deal.  I don't recall saying it was unfair, I believe I said it was being used inapropriately by some users.  Do you disagree?
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Ritchie, I don't necessarily have a idea of the direction this board should take, but I do have an idea for "cleaning up" this hobby.  I know you guys are all ears, but I am all thumbs.  It will take a while, and I am not even sure if it is feasible.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I did not start this thread to thrash anyone.
I started this thread to point out two different companies (persons) that seemed to be just one company (person).  I included the necessary links and information.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>So what was my role?  You referred to me on page nine of this thread.  What necessary information was there?  Did you email me and ask how I was involved?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jeff, I think they call what you are referring to as court.    I've seen threads on this BOI that were resolved before it was taken this far. I've also seen threads that were not resolved and then taken to court. While the BOI did not solve that last situations problem it did place a warning with others before they made a purchase thereby saving them the court problems later on. Job accomplished.
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No, I am not referring to court at all.  I am referring to an impartial entity that could intervene before the problem went that far.  True, the entity does not exist right now, but why couldn't it?  The BOI is an online entity.  What if there were a place people could turn to for true legal resolutions?
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John, what are you waiting for?  I agree with people being way too uptight.  Why are you telling me this?
 
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That is what I am waiting for, Jeff. For an elaboration and/or an explanation of your "better idea". My reference to people being too uptight was not intended as a personal attack. It was more of an observation. As you came off sounding a bit uptight yourself. Have a good night and happy herping!!!
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is the mediator on the BOI?  Is it one person?  Is it several?  Is that party unbiased? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

The designer, owner, and sole moderator of the BOI is Rich Zuchowski. A.K.A. Webslave. As far as his being "unbiased", of that you can be assured. He does an impeccable job.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How about a show of hands from those people whom think the BOI is unfair? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I dont think the BOI is unfair persay however as we spoke about through email and over the phone do not agree with ever deleting anything, I think that type of editing gives an unfair outlook of the BOI,

to give an example to everyone here, a while back many of us in this thread were involved in some others, two people had replied in it and I replied to them, the websalve veiwed those two as off topic and deleted them, however left my reply to those two people(delted ones) stand as it was, anyone who was involved knows I was replying to two differant people that were invovled however now that he deleted their posts anyone who was not involved will read it and it appears that for no reason, what so ever I pulled two names out of the sky and started chewing them out for no reason, this is what I dont like, i feel everything should be left as it is, no deleting, it shows a persons charecter and a true veiw of this board and the ongoings not a buttered up version when nothing is deleted, anyway just my opinion, beyong that its two thumbs up to the webslave IMO

anyway lets not forget about Matt Martin thats what this thread is about and I would hate to see anything take away his thunder as the raining champ of theafiery
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (EMERALDGUY33 @ June 16 2002,03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is the mediator on the BOI?  Is it one person?  Is it several?  Is that party unbiased? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

The designer, owner, and sole moderator of the BOI is Rich Zuchowski. A.K.A. Webslave. As far as his being "unbiased", of that you can be assured. He does an impeccable job.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I know Ritch is the moderator, and I agree he does a great job with the board.  However, since it is his board I don't believe it is possible for him to remain impartial.  Because it is his board, he can invoke executive privelege when deemed necessary.

No, I didn't take your statements about people being too uptight personally.  I agree.
 
Jeff,

I think this is great discussion not an argument. There are professional mediation services out there. The problem is that they cost money. If you buy a $250 lizard why spend $750 on a mediator. The only way (my opinion) that you can get a 100% impartial opinion would be to have a paid counselor(s). Who would front the money? Government regulating committee? My personal opinion is that government agencies are ineffective at best, down right waste of tax payers money most of the time. Plus you'll then get a senator that wants to cut budget and just outlaw the reptile trade to remove the government oversight.

You are correct in that there is no way for Rich to be 100% unbiased. I am sure that he sees posts and thinks to himself that guy's a moron. But I also see where that post stays for the general public to view (probably would have been better for our imaginary moron if it did get deleted <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ). He does a very good job of not letting his personal views effect the postings on his BOI. I think if you had a volunteer committee to oversee everything you would have the same issues.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dwedeking @ June 16 2002,11:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jeff,

I think this is great discussion not an argument. There are professional mediation services out there. The problem is that they cost money. If you buy a $250 lizard why spend $750 on a mediator. The only way (my opinion) that you can get a 100% impartial opinion would be to have a paid counselor(s). Who would front the money? Government regulating committee? My personal opinion is that government agencies are ineffective at best, down right waste of tax payers money most of the time. Plus you'll then get a senator that wants to cut budget and just outlaw the reptile trade to remove the government oversight.

You are correct in that there is no way for Rich to be 100% unbiased. I am sure that he sees posts and thinks to himself that guy's a moron. But I also see where that post stays for the general public to view (probably would have been better for our imaginary moron if it did get deleted <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ). He does a very good job of not letting his personal views effect the postings on his BOI. I think if you had a volunteer committee to oversee everything you would have the same issues.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Exactly!  However, I think discussions like this would be better if held with a pitcher of beer were involved!  As I said earlier, I do have an idea.  It may not be perfect, but I am working on something!
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ritchie Luna @ June 15 2002,14:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The BOI was not designed to do this. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
kindly tell the designer and owner of the board what this board is REALLY for.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ritchie, sorry for not replying to your statement sooner.  I shouldn't have made this statement without backing it up.  I read the rules for posting here, and this is what I found.
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or business with whom they are considering doing business with.  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't trying to tell the designer and owner of the board what it is REALLY for, I think he already knows.
 
Given what Jeff has quoted above concerning the purpose of the BOI, does anyone else find it as humorous as I do that he is complaining about people posting in a manner not consistent with that purpose, and yet he himself is posting in a manner not consistent with that purpose!

Oh, the irony!
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Darin Chappell @ June 17 2002,11:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Given what Jeff has quoted above concerning the purpose of the BOI, does anyone else find it as humorous as I do that he is complaining about people posting in a manner not consistent with that purpose, and yet he himself is posting in a manner not consistent with that purpose!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, that is pretty funny.  It's pretty funny how I can see somebody here refer to me as being gay and being a false friend even though they have no idea who I am.  This thread had nothing to do with me.  How surprised would you be if you were reading a post and saw statements being made about you by people you have never heard of or met?  Hopefully you will understand why I strayed.  

You do have a point though.  The beer is on me.
 
Good point Jeff.

I for one thought those gay remarks were WAY out of line.

As for the false friend thing.....I was not saying you were a "false friend".
I was trying to figure out what was going on.
Matt says you called your friend names.
You say you didn't.
But then you turn around and say that Matt is not lieing.

I was asking questions because I was getting confused.
Like I am now.


now back to the subject at hand.
here is a time line

Matt is/was a crook
Barry is/was dealing with him.
All the clues pointed to them being the same person.
I posted to show all the proof and links of how they seemed to be the same person.
I got hate mail from Barry.
I posted pictures of matt that I received through E-mail a long time ago.n (at least one year ago)
Turns out the two are different people.
They are just very close to each other or something.
Matt says he knows how I got the pics. but is unable or unwilling to let us know what he supposedly knows
I myself know I got the pic from someone Matt has "Ripped off"
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ritchie Luna @ June 17 2002,12:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Good point Jeff.

I for one thought those gay remarks were WAY out of line.

As for the false friend thing.....I was not saying you were a "false friend".
I was trying to figure out what was going on.
Matt says you called your friend names.
You say you didn't.
But then you turn around and say that Matt is not lieing.

I was asking questions because I was getting confused.
Like I am now.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
All's good here Ritchie, and thanks for adding that about the tasteless remark that was made.  No I didn't say Matt was lying, I am just losing track of things here also and I stated I didn't recall what was said.
 
cool Jeff glad everything is okay.

here is a little something
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I was wrong for thinking you are the same person...my apologies

I was also wrong for not believeing you when you said you sold ALL your snakes except for a few personal pets.

I was also wrong for believing you when you said that you got out of this business.

I will now list matthews classifieds

0.1  1999.  Boa constrictor.  Normal female.  6 foot long.  
Proven.  $225 SHIPPED to your door.  Pics available.  Thanks
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04383

1.1  2002  Taiwan Beauties.  Awesome snake for people who like
bigger colubrids.  Eating everything put in front of them.  Nice
yellow colors.  Pics available also.  $125 + shipping.
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04443

0.1  2002  Sumatran Red Blood Python.  Awesome snake.  Good
feeder on frozen thawed.  Pics available.  PayPal or Money
Orders.
$150
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04499


0.1  1997.  Boa Constrictor.  Nothing fancy other than HUGE.  8 foot plus.  45 + pounds.  4 + inch head.  About as big around as a two litter bottle of pop.  Throw 50+ babies easy.  Taking 7-8 pound bunnies.  She will be expensive to ship.  $450 SHIPPED OBO
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04539

0.2  Fox Snakes.  LTCs.  Feeding on f/t small to medium rats.  
Flawless snakes.  Not a usual snake you see available or at
least for sale to often.  $50/ both + shipping.
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04861

1.0  2000.  Sonoran Gopher snake.  Awesome feeder.  Over 4 foot
long.  Suppose to be a Het for albino but no papers or nothing
so don't know for sure.  Going to breed this season no problem.  
Pics available.  $125 SHIPPED to your door.
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04863

0.1  1998.  Boa Constrictor.  Nothing fancy other than HUGE.  8
foot plus.  45 + pounds.  Throw 50+ babies easy.  Taking 7-8
pound bunnies.   Shipping available anywhere.  $400 SHIPPED.
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04865

0.0.19  2002.  Suriname Red Tails.  Have some normal looking
ones and then some screamers.  Pics available.  Have all eaten
and shed several times.  Prices starting at $150 each....
http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/u/50874/View?n=04915


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