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[ChamLvr]

Well if you actually paid him in full, then he got extra because I paid him $55 yesterday as well.. Its your lucky day, Scott.

 

[gillian25]

amanda . thank you for everything you did to help scott get paid .i am sooooooooo glad its over . at least for us three

 

[ChamLvr]

Yea, me too. Can Scott verify that he was indeed paid? i havent checked out the other link on Chris lately, so Im wondering if its really just the beginning again..

 

[Lucille]

Well if you actually paid him in full, then he got extra because I paid him $55 yesterday as well.. Its your lucky day, Scott.

This thread was started on 10/24/08 and it has taken over 400 replies and months to get to this point. Delays, recriminations, broken promises were all part of this vendor's way of handling his business. Whether or not proof shows a final settlement, I would not send my money to such a vendor after what I have seen here.

 

[rosebud945]

I have been watching this thread with great interest, because it was started shortly after my dealings with Mr. Sulwer. I have kept silent because I eventually got the lizard that I paid for, though it was not send via the shipping method that I paid for and that we agreed upon. I now feel that I cannot be silent, because Chris, your behavior toward your customers is atrocious, whether you eventually live up to PART of your agreements and responsibilities or not. No one should have to PAY to put up with your lies, your abuse, and your disrespect without being forewarned. My transaction with Chris went in a very similar fashion as those expressed here. I have emails if anyone doubts, but they contain vile language, so I thought it best to wait on posting them. Toni has seen them and can speak about them.

Chris, it should be no shock to you that people think you are a coke head, because you act like one. I am a professional musician, and have had the displeasure of dealing with coke heads for years and they act much like you: they lash out at people toward whom they have unmet responsibilities, they have every excuse in the world and blatant lies to explain why those responsibilities have not been met, and the respect no one, including themselves, enough to make those responsibilities a priority.

You left me hanging for months, and you jeopardised the life of the lizard that I bought by sending it by STANDARD PRIORITY. When I complained, you abused me. You have done the same to everyone in this thread and the other thread, and I agree that the snakes that you sent to that guy in the other thread are dangerously thin. You are not interested in making customers happy. You are clearly only after a quick buck. What don't you just go into dealing coke, for the sake of the animals and for the sake of potential unsuspecting customers. Its more profitable, and innocent people and animals won't get hurt.

 

[ChamLvr]

Lucille: I didnt pay Chris, I bypassed him and Paid Scott what Iw ould have owed Chris. If Chris really did pay Scott, then I overpaid Scott, but thats not a big deal. I would rather it go to Scott than Chris anyways. My frogs are doing great and are quite active, so Im content with that.

Sidenote: While I do not approve of Chris' demeanor/attitude, ect.. I did actually offer him a few bucks for communication and health and for going along with the plan. While most of you would not have done so, I was always taught to reward those who do good and the transaction was good regardless of anything else.. However, CHRIS denied me. He told me if I wanted to give him something, to give it to Scott instead so he was at least, not selfish in that aspect. Not saying it excuses anything.. But I was impressed at that moment.

 

[Lucille]

Lucille: I didnt pay Chris, I bypassed him and Paid Scott what Iw ould have owed Chris. If Chris really did pay Scott, then I overpaid Scott, but thats not a big deal. I would rather it go to Scott than Chris anyways. My frogs are doing great and are quite active, so Im content with that.

Sidenote: While I do not approve of Chris' demeanor/attitude, ect.. I did actually offer him a few bucks for communication and health and for going along with the plan. While most of you would not have done so, I was always taught to reward those who do good and the transaction was good regardless of anything else.. However, CHRIS denied me. He told me if I wanted to give him something, to give it to Scott instead so he was at least, not selfish in that aspect. Not saying it excuses anything.. But I was impressed at that moment.

I understand the transaction. I am simply reiterating, after skimming through parts of this thread again this morning, that I would never again send any money to Chris, there are so many vendors out there where it is not necessary to go through months of wrangling and drama to accomplish a simple transaction.

It is my belief that whatever this vendor is doing now by way of amelioration, is being done because he perhaps has felt the bite of the BOI.

There is no doubt in my mind that what has transpired on this thread will affect this vendor's future business, and I see some justice in that. No one should go though what these buyers have been put through.

 

[spawn]

Sidenote: While I do not approve of Chris' demeanor/attitude, ect.. I did actually offer him a few bucks for communication and health and for going along with the plan. While most of you would not have done so, I was always taught to reward those who do good and the transaction was good regardless of anything else.. However, CHRIS denied me. He told me if I wanted to give him something, to give it to Scott instead so he was at least, not selfish in that aspect. Not saying it excuses anything.. But I was impressed at that moment.

Did these conversations happen over the phone or email? I feel you must post the emails as per the BOI rules.

 

[gillian25]

well some of the things that are to be posted as per bio rules you can not post as to per bio rules . i was flagged for posting what chris wrote me , and was told as bio rules go you can not post profanity even if it is ********* out . so i don't think all can be posted .

 

[rosebud945]

That is why I haven't posted my email exchanges, but I think he meant Amanda's conversation. Surely Mr. Potty Mouth behaved himself in THAT conversation!

But I can tell you what was in them.
Two weeks after I paid him, and didn't hear a thing, he finally responded that he was "out of town" and couldn't send until the following week. Sound familiar?

Then nothing, no response to any of my emails, for around a month. Sound familiar?

Then it was that his FATHER died, not brother. Sound familiar?

Then we hit hurricane season, and he was real nice every time I sent him an email saying we had a storm threat, claiming that he was glad I emailed because he was planning to send that very week. YEAH RIGHT!

Then he claimed that he was hit with a hurricane, and that was a gross overstatement. Florida was hit with a tenacious tropical storm, and Tampa barely got anything from it.

Then he was broke, yada, yada, yada. Sound familiar?

Then my area was hit by Ike, and he promised to send as soon as I got back home from evacuation and gave him the okay. Well, I was lucky as hell, and emailed him immediately that he could send the next week.

Nothing. Another Month. Sound familiar?

So I threatened to expose him on BPI, he said he couldn't care less.

Finally, 4 MONTHS LATER, he sent the lizard on a Thursday by Standard Priority. I had paid for overnight, and had agreed later to two day because of his belly aching that he was broke. He said it was his brother's fault, that his brother sent the lizard by the wrong method. Same brother, you think?

So I was livid and warned him that if the lizard died, I was going to blast him on BOI, and he threatened to send HELLS ANGELS to my house! LOL! Then he proceeded to rail at me with a litany of vulgarities and insults.

The way he treated me and others in this thread clearly shows a pattern. This is obviously Chris's modus operandi, at least where snakes and lizards are concerned. If he is a good bromeliad, moss and frog vendor, then maybe he should stick to selling those, or drug dealing, a profession in which you will have return business no matter how badly you treat your customers.

The only reason that I got the lizard alive is because my Post Office knows me and I had bugged them for days. They called me after hours on Sat. evening to come get it or it would have sat there until Monday and probably died.

I can post the actual emails with his vulgar tirades if you all like, but i don't want to break BOI rules.

 

[spawn]

Wait, so are the mods warning against vulgarities even if they're direct quotes??? Surely Webslave isn't going to be mad/enforce the vulgarity rule if it happens in a quote? Why by those standards, what if ALL of one's interaction with Chris contained cuss words?? Please PM one of the mods to see what you can do about this.

 

[Lucille]

So I was livid and warned him that if the lizard died, I was going to blast him on BOI, and he threatened to send HELLS ANGELS to my house! LOL!

Mmmm,mmmm,mmmm.

The Meanie and the BOI must have some pretty bad mojo if he has to call out the Angels to try to stop you from talking here. Which means, of course, that the BOI is all working the way it should, and striking fear into his misbehaving heart

Send me the emails please, I can just imagine, but I'd rather know.

 

[ntfish]

Just letting everyone know that I did indeed receive all of my money. I have more to say on this whole matter but I'm crunched for time right now. Thanks to everyone who stuck with this thread. -Scott

 

[rosebud945]

Lucille, I just sent you a pm. I had to cut out all of the email addresses to get it under the character limit, but if you think they should be posted, I will post them unaltered.

 

[Lucille]

Lucille, I just sent you a pm. I had to cut out all of the email addresses to get it under the character limit, but if you think they should be posted, I will post them unaltered.

I am horrified by the language used in the pms, and the mention of the Hell's Angels. While I feel that the rules here about profanity ought to be honored, I would at least suggest you send the pms to the mods and Rich so they can decide on the balance between relevant evidence of Chris' character and the need for board decorum.

 

[gillian25]

yep i am positive .......... i let amanda read it cause she helped me a lot with posting . she was floored . she couldnt believe it either.

 

[rosebud945]

I will send them to Rich and ask him to look in on this thread. Would that work?

Yeah, I felt violated on the one hand, and cracked up on the other! I wondered how he must speak to his significant other!

 

[gillian25]

oh ya i did pm the mod that gave it to me he said it didnt mater if it was ****** out or not . or quoteing someone else. and yep most of chrisis words to women do.

 

[rosebud945]

I sent Ken a pm with the emails,but I can't find Rich! LOL! Can someone pm Rich and send him the emails?

 

[Lucille]

I sent Ken a pm with the emails,but I can't find Rich! LOL! Can someone pm Rich and send him the emails?

I have confidence in Ken, that he will make whatever decision needs to be made and share it if he feels the need.
When a vendor uses language like that in the context of a transaction, it certainly does not reflect well on him as a businessman.