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Mike thank you for clearing this all up. In one post no-less :) Unfortunately this is becoming common practice, as of late People trying to get something for nothing and when they cant get what they want, Lets just trash someones good name.It makes you wonder who's next and the future of this hobby/business. Adam, You are totally wrong for starting this Post, you dug yourself a hole that you may not be able to pull yourself out.But good luck trying.... :)
 
Jim O said:
Another case where the "Bad Guy" outs himself

That seems to be happening alot these days.....but I guess thats a good thing:)

Michael, thank you for posting your side to the story. I feel something is missing when someone is labeled a bad guy and never responds on the BOI.

Looks like Adam is out of here... :bolt01:

Daniel Hill
 
I just wanted to say that I received a sexed pair of Uroplatus phantasticus from Michael in February and haven't had a problem with them. They were shipped in cold weather but arrived no worse for wear (they handle lower temps well being that they are a temperate species). He sent me a lot of pictures to choose from and once I made my decision he shipped them the same day. On arrival I treated them with panacur and they have been outwardly healthy since I received them and I even caught them mating once.
 
mindcrash said:
I just wanted to say that I received a sexed pair of Uroplatus phantasticus from Michael in February and haven't had a problem with them. They were shipped in cold weather but arrived no worse for wear (they handle lower temps well being that they are a temperate species). He sent me a lot of pictures to choose from and once I made my decision he shipped them the same day. On arrival I treated them with panacur and they have been outwardly healthy since I received them and I even caught them mating once.

Great to here.
Adam received 2.1 and they are probably all doing fine too.
 
I will pay you if you so choose but I think it only fair to
warn you that if you want your money I will do everything in
my power to destroy your reputation. Two dead males is
unacceptable and both you and I know that you were selling
me under weight subadults. I have friends with phantasticus,
so I know what they're supposed to look like. I would
speculate a large parasite load in your animals. I don't
like being ripped off and I've lost a lot of money to you
already. So I will leave the choice up to you. Do you value
$68 more than your selling reputation?

Adam,

What you were trying to do was just shy of extortion, particularly when you never provided proof of the animals being dead. I’m in agreement with the rest. If you want to keep buying and selling animals you need to give Michael a sincere apology. Remember that you may still want to use this site in the future. Although at this point you will not how people will react to any future inquiries of yours, believe me, it is at least worth giving it a shot.
 
Dan I don't know about it being just shy! sure sounds like extortion to me. Sure looks like Adam thought he could get Michael to back off and if not then bring his story here in hopes of forcing Michael to do what he wanted.

This is a thread that should never have been started and maybe should be deleted or better yet put at the top of the BOI in bright red as a warning to others that using the BOI for extortion isn't a very good idea. Randy
 
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hmmmm.......Adam....Where are you at now?
Oh he's been here today...
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Adam, let me give you a simple breakdown here which will allow you to salvage a bit of something from this mess you've created.

Think about this whole mess. Who's really in the wrong here, you or Michael? Who has done everything he should to keep things honest and everyone happy? Who's been dishonest and attemped extortion to get his way?

The answers are as follows: you, Michael, and you again. If you can see this, which is honestly how it looks to me and apparently EVERYONE else here you can do one of two things.

You can tuck tail and slink out of sight, soon to be forgotten but ALWAYS to be laughed at upon remembrance OR you can appologize to Michael and learn a lesson here. Actually you can learn several lessons. Being dishonest is NOT easy here and it is NOT good period. That's lesson #1. Lesson #2 is that you CAN make up for it. If you really believe that you were in the wrong here, which I think you were but it's important that you do as well for the following to have merit and work, the tell Michael that you made a mistake, several of them in fact and ask him to accept your appology. THAT is the first step on the road to having a good reputation, which is not YET impossible for you to have.

It's not easy and is most likely somewhat embarrassing. Yet, for you to recover anything out of this mess YOU'VE created, YOU need to do it.

As far as I know this is your first big screwup and we have all had them somewhere in our pasts. The good guys as well as the bad guys. The difference between the good and the bad is what happens when all the facts are known. It seems we know all the facts now and YOU don't look good at all. It's still fresh enough and you're still new enough that you can turn that around by making amends and part of that is admitting that you screwed up.

If you don't you'll join the ranks of those guys in Fla. who are known worldwide as scumbags. I don't think you want to join their ranks.

Doing right isn't always easy. You still need to do it.

It's all up to you now, you're not so covered in poo that a good shaking won't get most of it off of you but you are REAL close to having it harden into a crust that will be with you FOREVER.

Don't be a crustedpoo puff. Stand up and be a good guy.
 
Adam,

What Wes said has a great deal of merit. Do the right thing now and this will pass with some time. Let it sit and fester and you will join the ranks of the other known "bad guys".
 
I just want to say I have dealt with Mike and Wes with some nice ball pythons. They sent out the ball python out first and it looked awesome. It was a super nice looking adult male pastel and I have not had any problems. Just thought I would that in the mix,

Joe Ellis
 
C'mon Wes, the left coast is the center of all evil !!

There are so many GOOD Florida people, Mike Cole included, its some of your westie neighbors that stink up the joint ... or fools like this jerk in NY. So Florida has a few problems .. they are the exception ... not the rule, etc. I feel like I'm kicking a dead horse here, really dead, as this poor under-estimating fool Adam was cooked long ago. Wes, your advice was dead on ... once again. I can sympathize with the frustration Adam had in losing two animals, if in fact he did lose both. Just about every other poster in this thread is well versed with the trials and tribulations of the import of WC animals. We all learned the same way, and we paid for the experience. Difference is, we wised up, and accepted the risks, became better at minimizing them, and worked within the various guarantees and reputations of the suppliers. Adam decides that extortion via the BOI is how to succeed and cover his mistakes. I have to tip my hat to Mike for going the extra mile and doing everything he could to make Adam successful within the parameters of the business. High quality service before and after the sale. Adam, if you don't come back to this forum and fix things, then let me recommend a Plan B. Tomorrow, change your email address and business name. Then borrow some money from your folks, go to the court house, and initiate a true name change ... something like Joe Bfzsbuck. And if you're really good with your business, or extorting your folks, or both, you can get a face lift, and have a true new identity. Hell, even Jacko looks better than you right now! Fresh start, cause you don't want to be what you currently see in the mirror ! A parting thought, expressed often in the BOI ..... Adam, take a look at all those who came to your defense .... this did not go according to plan, did it? Do you get it yet ?

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
Wow that quite a story i truly amazes me what people will do.

I have know Michael for a few years and done a tremendous amount of business with him buying/selling/trading i would stake my own reputation (which isn't much of one) That he would never knowingly screw a customer.


Joe Ferreira......
 
It seems as though this post has turned into more of a "bad guy Adam" than "bad guy Mike" thread. Adam, it is still possible to save your reputation by apologizing to Mike. In all actuality, the business can use both of you. After years of working with the zoological industry, I realize how things can get too political and the animals suffer the consequences. As reptile breeders, it is important that we stick together, regardless of our differences, so that "reptile bans" are not able to surface in our areas. I would hate for you to miss out on all of the wonderful reptiles that Mike, and all of the others who answered on his behalf, have to offer. Some of the respondents were Michael's friends (the fan club) who would have gone to great lengths to clear his name, while others don't know him at all and are only responding based on the facts that were posted. Either way, no-one seems to agree that you were in the right. Please retract your "bad guy" and save your reputation now.
Tim Lane

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OMG, just read through all this and couldn't believe it!!! Yeah, Adam should tuck tale and run, sounds like Michael was more than reasonable and went above and beyond to sort the problem out. Let me tell you what a 'bad guy' really is: I live in Northern Ireland and last September, I bought an 18 month old burmese python het albino from a shop in England. When he arrived he was in a terrible state - severely dehydrated, extremely underweight (basically a bag of loose skin and bones), covered all over his body in rough patches of layers of retained scaled from previous bad sheds and a very sorry sight to behold!!! I immediately weighed him (425g), stuck him in a lookwarm bath of dechlorinated water for a good soak, dipping his head under to encourage him to drink, got him into his vivarium and was straight on the phone to first of all my reptile vet, and second a freind that has kept burmese amongst other things for nearly 30 years to ask for their advice. My vet told me that from my detailed description, he sounded to be in a very bad way and that 425g was seriously underweight and my friend agreed saying that a burm of that age should be pushing on for 2kg. Armed with the opinions of both my vet and my friend, I phoned the shop to complain. The guy in charge tried to tell me that there was nothing wrong with him!!! Disagreed with him being underweight, saying that although their animals were all fed on a 'maintenance diet' rather than a proper diet that we would feed at home, his weight of 425g was not a problem. He asked me to get my vet to ring him, wich I did, but even after a conversation with him, he still tried to disagree saying that all of his animals were regularly checked by a his vet that he has been using for years. He offered to arrange a collection for the Tuesday (which was five days after he had been delivered) so that I could return him to the shop saying that all collections/deliveries were fully booked up until Tuesday, AND he wanted me to pay for the collection. I told him that I wasnt willing to pay for the collection as it was his responsibility, and that the animal was in no fit state to travel anyway, but that I felt it was only fair that he refunded part of the money that I had paid for the snake (£125). He offered to refund £30 to me on the condition that I sent in writing to him that I would make no further complaint even if the animal died, that I would not discuss the matter further with anyone, and that that would be an end to it and he would hear nothing more about it. I refused to do this saying that I was not willing to negate him of all responsibility for the sake of £30, and that he should make the refund anyway as a gesture of good will - I even offered to email a picture of the snake to him showing the terrible condition he was in. However, he just started to ignore me after this and I have not heard from him since, or seen any money refunded. THIS ALL HAPPENED WITHIN HOURS OF THE SNAKES ARRIVAL... NOT 10 DAYS+ AFTERWARDS!!! Luckily, with a lot of tlc and proper care my burm, Cillian, is now doing really well and you would not know that he was the same snake. Now this is what a bad guy looks like - not someone with a great reputation (even on the other side of the Atlantic), who replaces an animal at minimal cost 10 days later without any payment up front!!!
 
Maybe it's the time difference between here and Ireland, or jet lag?

Ah well. Good to see Mike has been a stand up guy for so long. Too bad I'm not into geckos. :)
 
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