Mike Clark (serpentboy78)=BAD GUY!

[Dennis Hultman]

Could you link us to some of the other message boards you're speaking of? I'd like to check them out. Thanks for spreading the word! Let's hope this starts a trend of doing the right thing to eliminate these types of people from our hobby, thanks Tom Stevens

http://www.reptiforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Could you link us to some of the other message boards you're speaking of? I'd like to check them out. Thanks for spreading the word! Let's hope this starts a trend of doing the right thing to eliminate these types of people from our hobby, thanks Tom Stevens

I found in posting on KS and working on a couple of more.

Anyone have knowledge of any Texas Boards he might frequent?

 

[SPZOOLOGICAL]

We're ready to raise a cold one and toast to the demise of this guy who simply did himself in through his own actions.

I'm thinking of a nice chilled double shot of jaggermister, followed by Guinness pint, and a Costa Rican Cigar. Sounds good, doesn't it?

Dennis,

I'm not aware of any Texas boards where Clark Mike, Mike Clark, Jolie Myshel, or Myshel Jolie might frequent. When everything is all said and done...I think he will be gone for good.

Sean P.

 

[DavidBeard]

By the way.....Mike's real name is Joseph Michael Clark.

 

[chaotic9]

just dont turn him in until i get my atrox from him shipped via ups. i cant afford delta dash, and i cant receive hots at our airport anyway.

kidding of course.

 

[DAND]

By the way.....Mike's real name is Joseph Michael Clark.

Why would an honest person want to go by anything other than his given name?

 

[The BoidSmith]

Why would an honest person want to go by anything other than his given name?

David,

Aren't we being a little nitpicky here? If you have noticed my screen name is Alvaro, my middle name is Daniel (and my real name Alvaro Daniel Garcia; thus A.D. Garcia in my signature). For sake of simplicity (and due to the fact of getting tired of seeing my first name being misspelled on countless occasions) I decided to start signing as “Dan” (for Daniel), although now I’m thinking I could’ve gone for “Al” instead!

Best regards.

 

[DAND]

David,

Aren't we being a little nitpicky here? If you have noticed my screen name is Alvaro, my middle name is Daniel (and my real name Alvaro Daniel Garcia; thus A.D. Garcia in my signature). For sake of simplicity (and due to the fact of getting tired of seeing my first name being misspelled on countless occasions) I decided to start signing as “Dan” (for Daniel), although now I’m thinking I could’ve gone for “Al” instead!

Best regards.

My statement was sarcastic.

Your signature at least shows your first name beginning with an "A". I doubt he has had too many people misspelling his name. I'd bet the reason for his first name being omitted is for an entirely different reason.

 

[shrap]

My statement was sarcastic.

Your signature at least shows your first name beginning with an "A". I doubt he has had too many people misspelling his name. I'd bet the reason for his first name being omitted is for an entirely different reason.

I agree with you completely, Dand.

I would just like to add though that I have known many people, dating all the way back to grade school, that went by their middle names for various reasons. Sometimes because that is just what their parents had always called them.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Wrong approach

Just to get back on topic. We have this happen in the past, and if we don’t learn from it, it will more than likely happen again in the future. The main objective of this thread was that Mike would make good on David. When it seemed both were close to reach an agreement, we decided it was more important to prove Mike was a bad guy beyond any doubt (as if it was needed). Not to say that we are sure Mike would have come through with the payment if we hadn’t (we will never know). But we voiced out loud that even if he did pay David, he would still have been among the worst in the hobby. As the saying goes, “one kernel at a time eats the hen, and she eventually gets full”. Maybe next time we will learn to prioritize. There was plenty of time to voice our opinions once everything was settled. Maybe one out of two is not bad, but I would’ve rather settled for both, particularly when it was on David’s best interests. Again, we will never know if he would come through, but we sure gave him arguments for him not to. This is just my opinion on this whole issue.

 

[chaotic9]

unfortunately, i agree. as much as i think mike needs to be exposed for what he is, i think it should've waited til after he paid david. but judging by his character, he never intended to pay up, and we were right. he's a liar.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Just to get back on topic. We have this happen in the past, and if we don’t learn from it, it will more than likely happen again in the future. The main objective of this thread was that Mike would make good on David. When it seemed both were close to reach an agreement, we decided it was more important to prove Mike was a bad guy beyond any doubt (as if it was needed). Not to say that we are sure Mike would have come through with the payment if we hadn’t (we will never know). But we voiced out loud that even if he did pay David, he would still have been among the worst in the hobby. As the saying goes, “one kernel at a time eats the hen, and she eventually gets full”. Maybe next time we will learn to prioritize. There was plenty of time to voice our opinions once everything was settled. Maybe one out of two is not bad, but I would’ve rather settled for both, particularly when it was on David’s best interests. Again, we will never know if he would come through, but we sure gave him arguments for him not to. This is just my opinion on this whole issue.

I tried; I really did try to hold off from saying anything until David was paid. At the point Mike B. came on with the new info Mike Clark should have already had the check in the mail.

David has been shortchanged here and maybe we all can find something that David has up for sale to help.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

By the way.....Mike's real name is Joseph Michael Clark.

Good to know With start posting it into other boards.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Good to know With start posting it into other boards.

With =will

 

[The BoidSmith]

David has been shortchanged here and maybe we all can find something that David has up for sale to help.

Now that's an excellent idea Dennis!

 

[DavidBeard]

Guys, I can't express how thankful I am for the comments and support you have given me throughoutr this ordeal. Please do not blame yourselves for what has transpired between myself and Mike. Let the weight rest on Mike's shoulders, because he is the one who deserves it not you.

Thanks again and happy herping!

 

[Jungle Gems]

Indeed...

Please do not blame yourselves for what has transpired between myself and Mike. Let the weight rest on Mike's shoulders, because he is the one who deserves it not you.

...Mike Clark is solely responsible for rectifying his own wrongdoing.

Jennifer Webb
(Jungle Gems)

PS- David, I will gladly send some business your way in the future.

 

[DavidBeard]

Jennifer, I would gladly do business with you anyday! Thank you for the kind words.

For all the negative aspects of this ordeal, I can see there is some good in all things that happen, no matter how dark they appear to be at first.

 

[snakegetters]

Why would an honest person want to go by anything other than his given name?

A few of those reasons: personal privacy, preferring to keep a low profile, and avoiding people who might look up your address and drop in at your house to visit your snakes when you aren't home.

I don't post my real name anywhere I don't absolutely have to. The idea scares me a little, not because I want to steal from people, but because I don't want my stuff stolen. I've gone to some lengths to avoid being easily findable in public databases for this reason.

It's possible to unwittingly recieve your end of a deal by an illegal carrier. It happened to me. A well meaning, friendly fellow herper casually offered in email to give me some locality specific copperheads that were very common in his area. I casually said sure, I love copperheads, I'll cover shipping. I figured we'd discuss specific details later. We'd already swapped various non-living things through regular mail, books and samples of shed skins. I did not take this as an indication that he would send a live venomous snake in the same manner.

Shortly thereafter, some copperheads showed up at my doorstep in a manner that I definitely did not want to recieve them. I didn't understand why he'd done this, since I'd already said I would cover shipping, and at the time you didn't even have to be a registered shipper to use Delta. It didn't actually occur to me that anyone would choose an unsafe and illegal shipping method over a safe and legal one if it didn't cost them any more. But that's what somebody really did. He said he was trying to be nice and to save me $80. I didn't want to be saved $80 if it put the carriers and the animals at risk, not to mention my license to keep them. The snakes did fine, by the way, and they and their descendents are still doing fine. But the trip wasn't safe or comfortable for them, and it wasn't something I would have chosen to put them through if I'd had any choice.

These days on the rare occasions I get snakes from anybody, I am very careful to specify acceptable shipping methods. I don't want any repeats of that kind of situation. I will gladly pay Delta rates so the snakes can have a safe and comfortable ride. It's not just about the money. When we care too much about saving a few bucks at the expense of both human and animal safety, it does damage to all of us in the field.

Just FYI, I saw photos of one of the sick snakes recieved by Dan Scolaro. This was not an animal I would have considered healthy enough for the stress of shipping. When I hear the same stories from more than one person about illegal shipping and animals arriving in poor condition, backed up with photographic evidence, it puts the shipper firmly on the "bad guy" list.

 

[DAND]

I highly doubt the reason Joseph Michael Clark was going by Mike Clark was due to wanting to avoid someone coming to his house to steal his animals.