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Bad Guy Mike Matson (Mike's Phat Frogs) sold me a WC snake as CB

btmexotics said:
is that your daughter in the car? While you are making a video threatening people and using foul language?
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I don't believe there was any threats in that video. Maybe foul language not sure. I'll wait for someone to quote it on here.

You are not going to like my thread. Keep trolling and I will make it pretty harsh
 
So is your phone call of "I'm going to break every bone in your body" that lasted 11 seconds. I really hope you have more stamina the next round.
 
I deleted the video Jay. Didn't know I hurt your feeling or made you feel threatened.

Alright, I am off fauna for now. I'll have a thread for you in a day or so. Would you like a txt when I post it?
 
Ok mike so I said I would break every bone in your body. What's your point. I did so after you posted your phone number on fauna and told me to call you and schedule this match you wanted to video for facebook.You are the one doing all the challenging and threatening and provoking. And then you said you were filing a restraining order like a little coward. I don't deny i said that so move forward. Stop blaming others and take responsibility for your behavior.
 
Lucille said:
Allowing a video to silence fair reviews would encourage every bad guy out there to make a mean spirited video to try to put the hush on any valid criticism of their Bad Guy ways.
From the beginning of time, criminals and bad guys either individually or in collections of bad guys from cartels to the Mafia, have tried to put the hush on police, prosecutors, judges, and the general public Good Guys. It takes some courage to take a stand against evil.
Is taking a stand worth it? That is a decision each person here will have to make for themselves. But if you value the information you get on Fauna, if you come here to check out sellers prior to making a purchase, consider what will happen if you allow Bad Guys to silence you when it is your turn to write a review or voice your opinion.
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jrsexotics said:
I deleted the video Jay.
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I believe it is no accident that some post off Fauna, where posted information can be easily altered or deleted.
Courteous, thoughtful, insightful posts are persuasive and welcome here. One has to wonder at the quality of content when a poster is unwilling or not courageous enough to post what he has to say here.
 
Lucille said:
Courteous, thoughtful, insightful posts are persuasive and welcome here. One has to wonder at the quality of content when a poster is unwilling or not courageous enough to post what he has to say here.
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One must also wonder at the motivation of people who own no animals, have no degrees, have zero experience or actual knowledge of a situation, yet feel the need to constantly chime in stating what is obvious to all simply to get the attention brought, as one would a child of 2 or maybe 3, to make themselves feel good.

Mike, you're not making yourself look good or any friends. Free advice here. Go home, stay away for awhile. It's rather petty and vindictive, something ms. hollander does know quite well in that she will bait you forever if you let her and really Mike, you're just not looking good.
 
Wilomn said:
I've known Mike a while. A few years actually and while we are not beer drinking buddies I have done business with him more than twice. He can be an absolute buttwad, but he's not one to misrepresent his animals. I've heard him at shows we both vended at, I've seen his childishness on various forums and his own pages, but I've never seen him say captive bred when he meant otherwise.

I have seen on more than one occasion where a heavy parasite load being treated has killed an otherwise good looking snake. It happens. Most shows require vendors to give receipts for all purchases. Was this not the case when you purchased this snake?
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Actually he has misrepresented The truth many times. He misrepresents his animals, the accuracy of water tests, the protocol of water tests. His knowledge of the age of a teenage girl that he made a video about. You know when he claims in video comments(multiple times) he didn't know she was young even though he said her age( incorrectly she is actually younger than 16) when he said her age twice within the first 2 minutes of the video. And his current little nugget is that I sell sick animals to people that I don't breed myself. Not only are they not sick but I am absolutely the breeder.That's one of the many smear campaigns being spread about me by mike matson and his team mate Barry lambert. So maybe you personally haven't seen mike misrepresent animals. Many others have.
And you know mike doesn't just stop at bullying women and children he now is bullying 76 year old senior citizens.
 
Wilomn said:
she will bait you
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Lucille said:
I believe it is no accident that some post off Fauna, where posted information can be easily altered or deleted.
Courteous, thoughtful, insightful posts are persuasive and welcome here. One has to wonder at the quality of content when a poster is unwilling or not courageous enough to post what he has to say here.
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Yep. That request for courteous, insightful posts was real bait :rolleyes:


Mike and his minions seem to excel at personal attacks and name calling, rather than addressing business issues and Bad Guy posts. However, I agree with this minion:
Wilomn said:
really Mike, you're just not looking good.
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Wilomn said:
she will bait you forever
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You've obviously figured out how to express your opinion of her on your buddy's FB page, so are you not doing the very same thing that you're accusing her of by bringing it here? Yeah, it's obvious; yeah, it's flowery and possibly overdone; but is she wrong? Did you not once make a virtual career out of baiting people on this forum? This sure looks like a pot-meet-kettle moment.

As I'd once told you in private, you were one of the BOI personalities that I greatly respected when I first found my way here; probably playing some part in molding my own posting style. You seemed to have a real lust for putting the scammers and degenerates in their place, no matter how many eggs you may have had to break to do it. Not sure if I just romanticized what you did, or if you've simply fallen away from what you once believed. I just don't see how the person who posted on your account 10 years ago could much more recently rationalize lending even the slightest support to those like bobby hill and mike matson, well after seeing their true colors was completely unavoidable to anyone who didn't find it oddly convenient avoid the spectacle.

Now, go ahead and launch into how my opinion must mean nothing since I don't have any animals or degrees - I realize that in such a situation you really don't have anything else. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
 

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You don't need to have animals or degrees or intimate knowledge of a situation to see the obvious.

It takes a big person to talk about people that way. I don't know Lucille but I will say I can't think of a reason that it's ok to say those things about her. This is again cyber bullying.
Will you think it's ok for people to talk to her like that?? Because your support on the comments only encourages people to elevate things to that level. It isn't mere complaisancy. Frankly I find it disgusting.
 
mr. greybeal, if you read the entire bobby saga I admitted to being sadly disappointed in him and his ways. I was wrong about what he ended up as, not what he was. As far as mike, where have I said he is right? I've posted twice I think. I had good dealings with him and said so. I never endorsed him. I have said the same about ms. hollander here more than once. It's not news to anyone who knows me. She is a very good lier and an excellent manipulator. She's bragged about both in private. I don't like her. I also am still the same as far as attitude.

To sum up for those a bit dense or lost in the defense of those who get what they ask for: mike, when I did business with him, was fine. I have heard him talk to a few people and his pitch set off no alarm bells. He's childish and this is not the first time I've said that here. I've advised him to go away for a while. What this has to do with bobby hill I don't understand unless it is to point out that I have made mistakes in the past. I have never denied this, so it isn't news to anyone. I have owned and admitted those mistakes and feel no shame or remorse for them. dan, I don't care what you think not because I am better and you are worse, but simply because I don't care. I just don't. Your opinion were it in my favour would not sway or encourage me in any way and so it is even now when you disagree with something I've never said. jay, the same for you.
 
Well, I no longer have any animals. And I never saw any need to pursue any type of degree in order to do what I wanted to do with the animals when I had them. It doesn't take having animals for someone to have an adequately working brain to figure out what is going on with issues presented here. And it certainly does not take having any sort of a degree to prove the same. NEITHER are recommended criteria, much less requirements, for participation within this site.
 
btmexotics said:
You don't need to have animals or degrees or intimate knowledge of a situation to see the obvious.

It takes a big person to talk about people that way. I don't know Lucille but I will say I can't think of a reason that it's ok to say those things about her. This is again cyber bullying.
Will you think it's ok for people to talk to her like that?? Because your support on the comments only encourages people to elevate things to that level. It isn't mere complaisancy. Frankly I find it disgusting.
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:iagree: it seems like there is no length mike and his minions won't go to in the attempt to shut people up and make them scared to post here. Bullying women, children and seniors on Facebook and encouraging others to do the same, calling people's homes and scaring their children, threatening people etc. They obviously don't live by the same moral code the rest of us do. Disgusting is a perfect description.
 
Wilomn said:
What this has to do with bobby hill I don't understand unless it is to point out that I have made mistakes in the past.
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It's simply to point out that you're apparently still a huge hypocrite for whom associations seem to cloud judgement; someone who refuses to see the writing on the wall until they have no other option than to acknowledge it. If you have no problem with embracing the, "well, he never did anything to me" stance, you're just illustrating how truly far you've gone from someone who used to attack his kind with such zeal. Aside from those who are a bit dense, or lost in their need to stand up and be counted among the compulsively-lying dregs fishing for information in back alleys, my intent seemed pretty obvious.
 
Look up the word association mr. graybeal. I've done business with mike twice. Long before this latest bit of non-sense. Look again at what I've said and not what you've heard. Time is key here. WHEN did I say what I did about mike? Was that, perhaps, before he went on this latest tirade? Hmmmm. And what have I said to mike since then mr. graybeal? To go on? That what he's doing is fine? Or was the me that told him a long time ago to stop being childish?

You still try to do right, but the banner you carry is tarnished with ASSumptions. I am NOT now, nor was I ever, defending mike. I stated my dealing, which is what this forum is for if I recall correctly though ms. manners may say otherwise, gave what I thought was good advice about leaving it be to mike and then took that advice and left. I don't follow all the crap on his facebook nor here. Hmmm, fancy that, I guess I did care a bit, but I've realized whilst writing that it's just not worth it, trying to edumacate those who know better such as yourself and ms. hollander. So, I bid you Later Dude, the snakes be a callin.
 
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