Bad Guy Mike Matson of Mike's Phat Frog is a scammer !!

[cjsreptiles]

This back and forth" my p%@$s is bigger than you p%@$s"is stupid. I would buy from Mike if I won the lottery and wiped my butt with hundred dollar bills. He has nothing but excuses for why he won't pay.

 

[jrsexotics]

:rofl

Wait until he runs into Glenview police department

Do it please. I'm asking you to rick.

Make sure it's with ray wilke

 

[juliasara]

If you don't have an address to mail the money to there's always western union. Wire the money to rick using western union or one of the other wire transfer services and he can pick it up. You dont need his address to send the money that way since you wont use paypal.

 

[Mister Internet]

With that being said this deal is done and over.

This deal is absolutely done.

This is not a debate. This deal is over. I am done commenting on it after this post.

This deal is done and over.

In the end it is my decision what I want to do.

Rick I have nothing else to say nor will I. I am done here.

Were done here rick til you send me an address that you can sign for.

Everyone else posts on here I will no longer respond too.

This is done.

I am done here also.

Thread over.

Anyway...

 

[DanSB]

I've never posted here before but do read boi for reviews (and in some cases entertainment) and feel obligated to say a few words.

I met Mike at the sac reptile show last year, talked with him a bit and bought from him. I had what turned out be a fatal husbandry accident with the frog I purchased and after I realized I messed up I contacted Mike on FB, he instantly identified the problem and helped me out with what to do. (Which I later confirmed was correct advice with further research).

In the course of talking with him in 2014 he did tell me he will buy his babies back from people who grow them out at a premium so I believe that part of what he is saying. Clearly he does this for breeding. (My speculation he didn't actually give me the reason). It also struck me how as a commercial breeder he seemed concerned about the frogs well being and did mention he is careful to make sure the frogs are old enough to breed, and is incredibly careful about the use of hormones using them only on healthy animals at a very specific time.

My impression overall was of a knowledgeable frog breeder who really cares for his animals.

I won't make any detailed comments about things here I wasn't involved in or know the full story about but (always a but huh?) I wouldn't mind speaking in hypotheticals. If I was trying to sell something to someone and they said they won't have until x happens no matter the date I have to know as someone who has been around that if x goes bad my payment could be delayed until x goes right. Also let us pretend we are typical California punk with our punk sense of humor. Ya know what would be funny? Send a pic of an Australian Gecko taken while in Australia to a Gecko guy and pretend I actually had it. (I wouldn't do this personally but have many friends who would).

Mike is NOT my friend. I have disclosed every interaction I've ever had with him above. All the implied threats and posturing on both sides make me uncomfortable. This is not defense and maybe non-parents wouldn't get it, but you do not, under any circumstances belittle a man who cares parenting ability. There is never a call for that.

Finally, I do not believe Mike will ship these frogs to rot at a fed ex hub. Assuming he doesn't do that and he is speaking from shear stress and anger I see nothing here as a reason to not do further business with him. If I didn't do business with people who occasionally say things I don't like I wouldn't have any animals...

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

If the animals are already in your possession why would it matter if PayPal doesn't cover live animal purchases?

You just gave his justification a mortal blow, sir.

 

[guruza]

Im not going to do business with either the OP or mike simply because this 31 page back and forth name calling contest has given me a migraine. The OP OBVIOUSLY wants the money over the frogs since he got the best deal possible with mike. Mike OBVIOUSLY does not have the money. The ONLY options the OP has is to either wait for mike to get the money, or to accept the frogs back. All this BS in this thread only shows that the OP believes money will magically appear in front of mike if he complains, name calls, and calls enough officials. OH, and the fact that the OP is being crazy secretive about where he lives after selling 2200$ worth of animals just seems shady as all hell and i wont recommend him to anyone ever because of that alone. Mike, i recommend you just sell those frogs and repay him the money you make off them.

 

[jrsexotics]

Im not going to do business with either the OP or mike simply because this 31 page back and forth name calling contest has given me a migraine. The OP OBVIOUSLY wants the money over the frogs since he got the best deal possible with mike. Mike OBVIOUSLY does not have the money. The ONLY options the OP has is to either wait for mike to get the money, or to accept the frogs back. All this BS in this thread only shows that the OP believes money will magically appear in front of mike if he complains, name calls, and calls enough officials. OH, and the fact that the OP is being crazy secretive about where he lives after selling 2200$ worth of animals just seems shady as all hell and i wont recommend him to anyone ever because of that alone. Mike, i recommend you just sell those frogs and repay him the money you make off them.

Frogs are not worth that much to anyone else.
They would sell for 40.00-60.00 ea on average

 

[jrsexotics]

You just gave his justification a mortal blow, sir.

Rick seemed Leary about sending paypal in these txt. He's not receiving either frogs or money til I get a valid address. It's not going thru paypal.

None of you have a decision in how I send anything. That's up to me.

Western union would still require an address that's on the ID of the receiver.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Rick seemed Leary about sending paypal in these txt. He's not receiving either frogs or money til I get a valid address. It's not going thru paypal.

None of you have a decision in how I send anything. That's up to me.

Western union would still require an address that's on the ID of the receiver.

There is no risk to you if you pay via Paypal since you already have possession of the inventory (as has been pointed out by Jackie). Once the funds would be sent, your obligations in this case would come to an end. You would have the frogs. Rick would have the money. Assuming you intended to do the deal you agreed to, that is.

 

[juliasara]

Rick seemed Leary about sending paypal in these txt. He's not receiving either frogs or money til I get a valid address. It's not going thru paypal.

None of you have a decision in how I send anything. That's up to me.

Western union would still require an address that's on the ID of the receiver.

Nice try but your wrong again. You'll need to come up with a better excuse. This is from Western unions site. You do not need his address to send the money western union!!

 

[312Herps]

Where's any proof to anything you have said ? What's my "kids name" since I've never known I had one ? Where's the BOI for sick animals I've sold ? Where's the BOI about threats I've made to shoot someone ? Show any BOI that shows I've done a bad business deal ? I did nothing but give Mike a complete benefit of a doubt and this is the thanks I get for it ? My integrity is not at question here. I didn't sell sick animals, They were all healthy with photo proof !! How come Mike tells me in the text they died from overheating , yet on here he says they died from a bad batch of worms ? GET your story together man. You have my Paypal. When you take your clown pants off and put your big boy pants on you can send me the $2250 if you're a real man or you can send me the $1,125 I so graciously reduced it to since you want to cry about technicalities or you can continue to be the piece of trash you've proven with the thread and let me support your daughter cause you can't by keeping the money. Up to you Mike.

 

[312Herps]

also the reason I said that with paypal was because there was recently some issue where they were starting to hold people's money until the goods were delivered. Thank god my account has been active so long without ANY problems it was beyond that and I wasn't sure of it yet, but Nice try Mike . Now that he's teamed up with Ariel and dropping names that will probably get him and Ariel spoken to..
I'm pretty sure this thread is running thin. I'll wait until you post something with VALIDITY to respond anything other than that will be Mike trying to justify himself being broke.

 

[tradaroo]

Its reall sad to see where the hobby is going...

 

[jrsexotics]

Listen here rick. You bring my daughter into this again and we will get personal. You really do not want to piss off a person that you don't know.


Your a 5 6" little troll. I know what you look like and we will have our day in person and we will see how much of a man you are then.

I don't want your frogs. They are sitting here until you decide to send an address.

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Where's any proof to anything you have said ? What's my "kids name" since I've never known I had one ? Where's the BOI for sick animals I've sold ? Where's the BOI about threats I've made to shoot someone ? Show any BOI that shows I've done a bad business deal ? I did nothing but give Mike a complete benefit of a doubt and this is the thanks I get for it ? My integrity is not at question here. I didn't sell sick animals, They were all healthy with photo proof !! How come Mike tells me in the text they died from overheating , yet on here he says they died from a bad batch of worms ? GET your story together man. You have my Paypal. When you take your clown pants off and put your big boy pants on you can send me the $2250 if you're a real man or you can send me the $1,125 I so graciously reduced it to since you want to cry about technicalities or you can continue to be the piece of trash you've proven with the thread and let me support your daughter cause you can't by keeping the money. Up to you Mike.

 

[jrsexotics]

Boxes that went out yesterday rick. But because you are an impatient a hole you can take your frogs back. I'll be seeing you.

Keep hiding behind that computer you keyboard warrior you. It's only a matter of time

 

[jrsexotics]

Boxes that went out yesterday rick. But because you are an impatient a hole you can take your frogs back. I'll be seeing you.

Keep hiding behind that computer you keyboard warrior you. It's only a matter of time

The game is on rick. I'll see you in court you little cockroach

 

[pitontheprowl]

holy crap................psycho much?? LoL

 

[juliasara]

If you sold all those frogs be a man and pay the debt you agreed to. Your just making yourself look psycho!

 

[hhmoore]

Warning: Mr Matson - your previous ban may have lifted; but your account still bears the marks of your past behavior (in the form of inaction points). That means that you are on the brink of another extended ban. You might want to consider that before making any more abusive remarks (think: most of the names you've been calling people)...you should probably consider that rule regarding threats covers veiled threats, as well. You've gotten away with a lot in this thread; but you're likely to find out the hard way that your luck has run out.