Bad Guy Mike Matson of Mike's Phat Frog is a scammer !!

[jrsexotics]

more threats , Keep it up Mike . Very responsible example of a parent.

You're pretty much sealing your fate with the more comments you make. You're in for a few big surprises that will be prevent you from doing stuff like this again. You could have learned and let it go , but you continue.

Pretty sure nothing has been threatened.. You take it how you feel the conversation will go because the words that you have said to me. You threatened me.

Also, your apartment complex I hope you have them up to date on your animal situation, as well as running a business from their rented apartment. Which I believe is illegal, I'll ask your apartment complex in the morning. Have a good night, sleep well, and don't let the crickets bite.

 

[juliasara]

Those were not shipped via reptile express or ship your reptiles at the time

Either way it's not right and not safe. The Styrofoam does more then help regulate temps, it makes the box much more sturdy and harder to crush. It doesn't matter what method you used to ship them if you cared about the animals inside the box you would take every precaution to ensure they made it to their destination safely.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

I was already close to unfriending Mike when I saw his approval of his friend PMing Rick to call his mother a "cancerous whore." (Because that's really mature and helpful in a situation like this).

After seeing Mike's complete refusal to accept any responsibility for his actions, and his childish insistence on shipping the frogs back, the deal is done for me. I will be advising our mutual friends never to do business with him.

Mike, you have blamed everyone but yourself for literally everything from your ban on Fauna to this situation with the frogs. You need to learn to take responsibility for your behavior if you ever want to be taken seriously by other adults in life.

You dug your grave, laid down in the coffin, and hammered the last nail in, yourself. I hope that Rick pursues and succeeds with legal action against you so that you finally experience some kind of consequences for your appalling behavior.

 

[jrsexotics]

Either way it's not right and not safe. The Styrofoam does more then help regulate temps, it makes the box much more sturdy and harder to crush. It doesn't matter what method you used to ship them if you cared about the animals inside the box you would take every precaution to ensure they made it to their destination safely.

Which they did... You have nothing to do with this transaction at all. I will not acknowledge you any longer, as you are just trying to stir the pot even more.

 

[jrsexotics]

I have privately messaged moderators about certain actions that I made in 2009-2010. I have not posted in this site in years.

Everyone has completely over looked the fact that I have never once said I would not pay for the frogs when talking with rick. I told rick I needed 2-3 weeks and he would be able to be paid, if he could not wait I would ship him the frogs back. That way he could resale them and possibly get money elsewhere quicker.

Since rick has gone off on a tangent about this, the only option let is to send him his frogs back. As I have chose to no longer do business with him.

If he chooses to not receive them, I will be in Chicago in October and ban personally deliver them to him.

I was already close to unfriending Mike when I saw his approval of his friend PMing Rick to call his mother a "cancerous whore." (Because that's really mature and helpful in a situation like this).

After seeing Mike's complete refusal to accept any responsibility for his actions, and his childish insistence on shipping the frogs back, the deal is done for me. I will be advising our mutual friends never to do business with him.

Mike, you have blamed everyone but yourself for literally everything from your ban on Fauna to this situation with the frogs. You need to learn to take responsibility for your behavior if you ever want to be taken seriously by other adults in life.

You dug your grave, laid down in the coffin, and hammered the last nail in, yourself. I hope that Rick pursues and succeeds with legal action against you so that you finally experience some kind of consequences for your appalling behavior.

 

[312Herps]

Good luck with your frogs Mike.

 

[juliasara]

Which they did... You have nothing to do with this transaction at all. I will not acknowledge you any longer, as you are just trying to stir the pot even more.

That's fine, I'm not asking you to acknowledge me. I'm making a point for everyone who reads this post to see. You've proven you don't give a flying you know what about the animals. If you did you wouldn't put them in danger. I don't care about you, I care about the animals and their safety. I wasnt trying to stir the pot i was hoping to make sire you never make that mistake again and put more anu
imals in damger. You made the mistakes I just pointed them out so if you want to dilike me for that so be it I'm not trying to win a popularity comtest! You seriously need to learn how to be a "man" and take responsibility for your actions. A simple "I made a mistake, I'm sorry and I will use it as a learning experience" goes a whole lot farther then your excuses and deflection.

 

[LauraB]

... Rick has no business terms of service anywhere as he is not a business.

So, uh ... you are not a "business", Mike? Where are your TOS on that FB site of yours? Really nice frogs, btw, but I want to see your terms as well. Same goes with your defunct Weebly ("under reconstruction") site. What, no TOS?

What happens when you cannot pay your car or house payment? It goes back to the lender correct? I could not pay for these animals at the time that he wanted so, I am sending them back.

Your decision to send them back does not legally negate your financial responsibility. You don't make your house (or warehouse) payments, that property, legally in your name, eventually forecloses. You cease making your car payments, that vehicle is repossessed. The house, the car will be sold, likely at auction. You are STILL legally responsible for any monetary deficit after those auctions and a court of law will uphold that responsibility. That analogy is crap.

We have you slandering rick.. That's what we have...

Seems a lot of people could care less about this....

You have me being a scammer and a smuggler apparently on all of them with nothing to back them. That my friend is slander. You may want to look that beauty up again.

You may want to research a bit more. Generally, slander is oral; comments, conversations made to one or more parties in an attempt to damage another's character. The texts that have been posted here are not slander.

Libel is generally the written word. A text, a written publication. Seems to me you may have libeled yourself with the texts about the little geckos that magically found their way into your backpack, and when you advised Rick you could teach him how to do the same, but only over the phone. Again, love the winks, lol. Like duh.

You might want to believe a lot of people could not care less (and get your slang correct, please), but it seems a greater number of people DO care and likely will care, even if they do not post publicly, given your history here.

Again, I see some really nice frogs on your FB, but if you have personal issues, can't pay your debts or vendors, incompetent staff, no TOS and a questionable history here ... well, let the public decide.

 

[AceOfSpadesReptiles]

They are being shipped to his home address. If he does not wish to receive them I can give them away in a donation auction on Facebook. Your choice rick

This is not a debate. This deal is over. I am done commenting on it after this post. A few will see ricks side but many have seen mine. He did not want to wait a few more weeks nor did he want to receive the frogs back. The only danger those animals would be in is if he physically harmed them after arrival.

But I am glad that you back up someone who refuses to take back his own animals that he can sell elsewhere.

I could easily refuse to buy them as 4 of these animals came in with bacteria issues and have passed away. Rick received pics of the 1st albino male that was bacteria infested within 3 days of arriving. They still have not passed my 60 day quarantine.

So as a commercial supplier I refuse to have these animals in my breeding facility due to the loss of 4 animals from bacteria infections.

I'm curious to know how you know for sure they died from bacteria infections. It's one thing to say he said she said but were these sent off for a necropsy? If not we just have your word and no proof to back up your story. There are many things that can occur when an animal just "dies" and without proof of said claim there isn't much to go on. I've been in a situation and had an animal die within a few weeks of me receiving I took it in for a necropsy and it was from a long neglected internal infection. Necropsies prove or disprove just an assumption made up from their deaths.

 

[jrsexotics]

This post of y our text to me stating "SYR is calling fedex and going to see" contradicts what you're saying . Want to try again ?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1833756&postcount=24

That was in reference to the whites tree frogs. Not your package. Don't let me get started on you with syr.......

 

[Pasodama]

Everyone has completely over looked the fact that I have never once said I would not pay for the frogs when talking with rick. I told rick I needed 2-3 weeks and he would be able to be paid, if he could not wait I would ship him the frogs back. That way he could resale them and possibly get money elsewhere quicker.

Actually, I did bring that up. Plus mentioned (not in these exact words) that if Rick could not wait (for payment) any longer, by giving you one final extension with a set payment plan & final date, that I could see your feeling that you had no choice but to send the frogs back to Rick. I could understand that because, if you did not have the entire payment (at that very moment, as Rick seemed to want), there really would be no other option, for you, but to return the frogs.
Again, cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip.

However, despite any ill feelings, Rick did go ahead and offer, in this thread, to give you a final extension with a set payment plan to be worked out between the two of you.

You refused to put your ill feelings aside long enough to take up the offer. Instead, you have decided, yourself, to go back on your word, to undo the "contract" between you & Rick, and insist on sending back the frogs (with no concern for their welfare).
A refusal to meet your obligation, after Rick met his, in this agreement/contract.

Since rick has gone off on a tangent about this, the only option let is to send him his frogs back. As I have chose to no longer do business with him

Sure, Rick could have handled some things better but, just because someone goes off on a tangent, it does not negate an agreement/contract.

No, sending the frogs back, at this point in time, is/was not your only option.

Your refusal to accept the offer of an extension, plus further actions/behavior, "did it" for me. You are, now, squarely in the wrong.

 

[jrsexotics]

I'm curious to know how you know for sure they died from bacteria infections. It's one thing to say he said she said but were these sent off for a necropsy? If not we just have your word and no proof to back up your story. There are many things that can occur when an animal just "dies" and without proof of said claim there isn't much to go on. I've been in a situation and had an animal die within a few weeks of me receiving I took it in for a necropsy and it was from a long neglected internal infection. Necropsies prove or disprove just an assumption made up from their deaths.

You look at the pic yourself and tell me. I breed these frogs on a commercial level and produce over 20,000 of them a year... I don't have to take in every single animal to a vet for diagnosis when I see the same symptoms as I have in the past of other animals from previous collections.

I'm sure a vet report wouldn't make a difference as rick would say it's a friend of mine and detailed to and what I want it to say....

 

[jrsexotics]

I saw no final extension in these post and rick has not answered any phone calls. Blocked me on Facebook and wants to be a keyboard warrior on fauna. What would give you any inclination that I would want to pay him for those animals especially after what he has said to me on a personal and on a business level.

The guy is quite lucky that he has a keyboard to hide behind and a screen. I know he wouldn't be "man" enough to say those things to me in person.

He instigated this drama now he can lose out on a deal. You know he would have made a good profit off those frogs too. He wanted to wear his emotions on his sleeve and now he can think about the frogs he is getting back....

Actually, I did bring that up. Plus mentioned (not in these exact words) that if Rick could not wait (for payment) any longer, by giving you one final extension with a set payment plan & final date, that I could see your feeling that you had no choice but to send the frogs back to Rick. I could understand that because, if you did not have the entire payment (at that very moment, as Rick seemed to want), there really would be no other option, for you, but to return the frogs.
Again, cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip.

However, despite any ill feelings, Rick did go ahead and offer, in this thread, to give you a final extension with a set payment plan to be worked out between the two of you.

You refused to put your ill feelings aside long enough to take up the offer. Instead, you have decided, yourself, to go back on your word, to undo the "contract" between you & Rick, and insist on sending back the frogs (with no concern for their welfare).
A refusal to meet your obligation, after Rick met his, in this agreement/contract.



Sure, Rick could have handled some things better but, just because someone goes off on a tangent, it does not negate an agreement/contract.

No, sending the frogs back, at this point in time, is/was not your only option.

Your refusal to accept the offer of an extension, plus further actions/behavior, "did it" for me. You are, now, squarely in the wrong.

 

[Pasodama]

I saw no final extension in these post and rick has not answered any phone calls. Blocked me on Facebook and wants to be a keyboard warrior on fauna. What would give you any inclination that I would want to pay him for those animals especially after what he has said to me on a personal and on a business level.

I went back to read a post again. You are correct. It was not a direct offer but was what seemed a willingness, on Rick's part, to take a monetary portion, of what is owed, and having something set & concrete, for when he would get the rest, from you.

However, when asked, you stated you were not willing to work anything out.

I can understand how, if you were attacked on a personal &/or business level, it would make you feel like not paying and just returning the frogs/merchandise. Ending any further dealings with him. That is, &/or would be, if you did nothing to merit such behavior from Rick.
Unfortunately, as I have stated before, this would not be an acceptable legal defense. IOW It would not stand up in a court of law.

Not that any of this matters to you, I suppose, since it seems that you have made up your mind to do as you please. Be it right or wrong.

 

[juliasara]

I saw no final extension in these post and rick has not answered any phone calls. Blocked me on Facebook and wants to be a keyboard warrior on fauna. What would give you any inclination that I would want to pay him for those animals especially after what he has said to me on a personal and on a business level.

The guy is quite lucky that he has a keyboard to hide behind and a screen. I know he wouldn't be "man" enough to say those things to me in person.

He instigated this drama now he can lose out on a deal. You know he would have made a good profit off those frogs too. He wanted to wear his emotions on his sleeve and now he can think about the frogs he is getting back....

A deal/contract is between 2 people and if the terms are going to be changed they BOTH need to agree. What makes you think you are so much better then him that you can just change the terms without him agreeing? You seriously need to stop telling others to be a man when you can't even do that yourself. Take your own advise and be a man and pay him what you owe him! If you send the frogs back you still owe him the money, his TOS states that he doesn't allow returns. Time to grow up and pay your debts and stop trying to B.S. your way out of them.

 

[Juggernaut Reptiles]

Rick TOS went straight out the window when he decided to send the frogs before receiving payment.

 

[312Herps]

Here's the frog Mike is saying is the one that was infected , This photo was taken 1-2 days prior to them being shipped out. Looks perfectly healthy to me.

 

[312Herps]

By the way your acting Mike with the threats and trying to act like a thug saying you'll come here to a city where on average 50 people are shot or killed on any given weekend for less than threats like yours proves how much you care about being a father for your daughter . IRS , BBB , F&W .None of those should matter to you as much as being a father yet to fight over $2,200 your willing to risk so much possibly even your life to be right .... Really ? It's actually quite sad. That in itself should be enough to show the world what type of person you really are.

 

[juliasara]

Rick TOS went straight out the window when he decided to send the frogs before receiving payment.

How does his TOS about returns have anything to do with him shipping before receiving payment? It's his TOS and if he wants to bend the rules about receiving payment before shipping he has every right to do that. Mike on the other hand has no right to change the TOS without ricks approval. If rick decided to accept Mikes proposed change that's up to him. They made a deal and both agreed to it, any changes to said deal must be agreed to by both parties. Do you really think if rick took this to court a judge would agree that it's ok for Mike to just change the terms without ricks approval just because he said so? I highly doubt any judge would rule in Mikes favor.

 

[juliasara]

If you buy something from a store using a store credit card and the stores policy is no returns and you don't pay the bill like you agreed to can you just bring the item back and expect to not owe the money anymore and that the store will take back the item? If the terms were no returns when you left the store with the item you can't change the rules and bring it back because you no longer want to pay the bill. You most likely will get sent to collections and/or taken to court.